Million Immigrants in 2022 - Thanks Fidel

[krealtarron]

you really can not be serious

Let me explain it in a way you would understand.

We need 10 cookies. We currently have 5. How many more do we need? The answer is we need 5 MORE cookies. Not 5 LESS.

In you go where you belong:

 

[JohnLarue]

if the immigrant or a citizen is working in any job, then they are productive regardless of their pay scales. How much one wants to earn is the individuals right to decide, citizen or not.

Anything else is unadulterated bullshit

you are losing you grip on reality

where did you not learn economics ?

1. now pay attention
national productivity - Google Search
Productivity at the national level is typically defined and measured in terms of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) per capita, per employed

this is so wrong is mind numbing that you actually posted it

then they are productive regardless of their pay scales

bring in low skilled people lowers national productivity

an electrician charging out @ $80 / hr is a hell of lot more productive than a minimum wage employee

2. A Canadian citizen has the right to decide how much they earn which is constrained by ... a job offer

you may think you should get paid 300k a year, but that aint happening until you get... a job offer
is this the reason for your sour, off putting uncompromising illogical nature ?
are you bitter because you were never offered the comp you think you deserve


3. An immigrant applying for Canadian citizenship does not have the same rights as a Canadian citizen>>> not until their application is approved , constrained by a ... job offer

you do not seem to appreciate the opportunity of a lifetime which is being offered here... Canadian citizenship
and all that is being asked is to secure a job offer

 

[JohnLarue]

Let me explain it in a way you would understand.

We need 10 cookies. We currently have 5. How many more do we need? The answer is we need 5 MORE cookies. Not 5 LESS.

i see
your problem is your lack of economic understanding

you believe all that is required is an increase in the volume of people

but alas, you are ignorant of economic reality

. now pay attention
national productivity - Google Search

Productivity

at the national level is typically defined and measured in terms of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) per capita,

increasing the volume of people without a proportional increase in the GDP reduces productivity- by definition

therefore bringing in immigrants who do not make / produce more than the national average reduces productivity
we need to increase productivity, not decrease it

its a simple ratio and you want to increase the denominator without regard for the numerator
that is the logic of a fool ideologue

your priorities are ideological
learn some economics

the facts just keep mounting up against your ideologically driven position
again try applying logic /facts/ sound judgement before allowing your ideology to determine dictate your position on an issue

 

[krealtarron]

increasing the volume of people without a proportional increase in the GDP reduces productivity- by definition

increasing volume of people, increases consumption of goods and services which consequently raises GDP. GDP is the value of the total good produced or sold. Learn basics of economics before you harp on about economics over and over again.

Larue calculating number of immigrants needed:

In you go where you belong:

 

[krealtarron]

you are losing you grip on reality

where did you not learn economics ?

1. now pay attention
national productivity - Google Search
Productivity at the national level is typically defined and measured in terms of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) per capita, per employed

this is so wrong is mind numbing that you actually posted it

bring in low skilled people lowers national productivity

an electrician charging out @ $80 / hr is a hell of lot more productive than a minimum wage employee

2. A Canadian citizen has the right to decide how much they earn which is constrained by ... a job offer

you may think you should get paid 300k a year, but that aint happening until you get... a job offer
is this the reason for your sour, off putting uncompromising illogical nature ?
are you bitter because you were never offered the comp you think you deserve


3. An immigrant applying for Canadian citizenship does not have the same rights as a Canadian citizen>>> not until their application is approved , constrained by a ... job offer

you do not seem to appreciate the opportunity of a lifetime which is being offered here... Canadian citizenship
and all that is being asked is to secure a job offer

Yup so per your own definition, productivity is defined and measured in terms of GDP per capita, per EMPLOYED. I said, what employment someone chooses for themselves is up to them. So whether they be Janitor or CEO, they both add to the GDP and consequently productivity.

The only right an immigrant doesn't have that a Canadian has is the right to vote and run for office.

Job offers are not required for immigration and should never be. That is a moronic policy.

Again, I ask you, specificity. You havent brought specific data. You dont have an argument. You are talking outta your ass.

In you go where you belong:

 

[JohnLarue]

increasing volume of people, increases consumption of goods and services which consequently raises GDP. GDP is the value of the total good produced or sold. Learn basics of economics before you harp on about economics over and over again.

your too stunned to realize the amount anyone can consume is always less than what they make/ produce

therefore bringing in immigrants who do not make / produce more than the national average reduces productivity
we need to increase productivity, not decrease it

its a simple ratio and you want to increase the denominator without regard for the numerator
that is the logic of a fool ideologue

your priorities are ideological
learn some economics

the facts just keep mounting up against your ideologically driven position
again try applying logic /facts/ sound judgement before allowing your ideology to determine dictate your position on an issue

 

[krealtarron]

your too stunned to realize the amount anyone can consume is always less than what they make/ produce

Is that so? So then currently we must be producing more than we can consume! Aka our productivity must be super high.

So your earlier assertion of Canada suffering low productivity was a lie.

it also means that the 1M immigrants were super productive and your argument falls flat on its face.

You dont just talk outta your ass, you lie as well all in an effort to malign our great immigrant population that make Canada a great place to live.

Larue's argument right now:

In you go where you belong:

 

[JohnLarue]

Yup so per your own definition, productivity is defined and measured in terms of GDP per capita, per EMPLOYED. I said, what employment someone chooses for themselves is up to them. So whether they be Janitor or CEO, they both add to the GDP and consequently productivity.

adding via immigration an incremental janitor who makes less than the national average reduces productivity

You are too stunned to understand how ratios work

The only right an immigrant doesn't have that a Canadian has is the right to vote and run for office.

actually until he / she becomes a Citizen, they are guest of Canada

Job offers are not required for immigration and should never be. That is a moronic policy.

Nope it is an important productivity criteria which should not have been messed with by morons

Again, I ask you, specificity. You havent brought specific data. You dont have an argument. You are talking outta your ass.

1. out of the 1MM immigrants how many are working?
2. And how many of the 1MM immigrants are making more / less than the national average salary ?
3. And how many are of the 1MM immigrants paying more / less than the national average in taxes?

Give me specific numbers or realize how god damn foolish you have been

news flash for you ignorant fool

you do not get to define evidence as what you specifically ask for

if you want specifics, go get them yourself
what a fool ![/QUOTE]

 

[krealtarron]

adding via immigration an incremental janitor who makes less than the national average reduces productivity

You are too stunned to understand how ratios work



actually until he / she becomes a Citizen, they are guest of Canada


Nope it is an important productivity criteria which should not have been messed with by morons

1. out of the 1MM immigrants how many are working?
2. And how many of the 1MM immigrants are making more / less than the national average salary ?
3. And how many are of the 1MM immigrants paying more / less than the national average in taxes?

Give me specific numbers or realize how god damn foolish you have been

news flash for you ignorant fool

you do not get to define evidence as what you specifically ask for

if you want specifics, go get them yourself
what a fool !

Different jobs pay different standard salaries give or take a few based on how much a person is willing to negotiate. Again what jobs someone chooses to take, how much they are willing to accept as pay is up to each individual. It is a free market and people get to pick and choose what they do and how much they get paid. This has no impact on productivity. Infact you could argue that a person being paid less to do the same job as someone who is paid more, is infact more productive because they produce more for less.

You can call immigrants guests, permanent residents or whatever it is you want. They have the same personal freedoms that citizens have and no one can force them to do anything. Try it and you will end up in jail for trafficking.

And it is your claim not mine and therefore the onus of producing specific data is on you, not me. So unless you produce data, none of your attempts to dodge the question or turn it on me, will work. Go find the data to support your ludicrous claims or you are just talking outta your ass.

In you go where you belong:

 

[JohnLarue]

Is that so? So then currently we must be producing more than we can consume!

Not true at all
consumers have been funding their consumption with ever increasing debt
Governments have been even worse

that is not going to end well

Aka our productivity must be super high.

???
you are incredibly foolish
why would you not consider that it would take me 2 minutes to obtain evidence counter to such a damn fool statement like that?

So your earlier assertion of Canada suffering low productivity was a lie.

not at all
i did not think you were that uninformed / foolish

it also means that the 1M immigrants were super productive and your argument falls flat on its face.

wrong again


your priorities are ideological
learn some economics

the facts just keep mounting up against your ideologically driven position
again try applying logic /facts/ sound judgement before allowing your ideology to determine dictate your position on an issue

 

[JohnLarue]

Different jobs pay different standard salaries give or take a few based on how much a person is willing to negotiate. Again what jobs someone chooses to take, how much they are willing to accept as pay is up to each individual.
It is a free market and people get to pick and choose what they do and how much they get paid.

nobody is expecting an immigrant to take less
we want well paid productive immigrants, hence the benefit of having a job offer in hand

This has no impact on productivity. Infact you could argue that a person being paid less to do the same job as someone who is paid more, is infact more productive because they produce more for less.

you could try and argue that, but you would be wrong

this is plain and simple, immigrants with in-demand skills & a job offer are going to be more productive than those with out
They are going to be a happier lot as well

We can not afford to bring in millions of people without marketable in -demand skills

 

[krealtarron]

Not true at all
consumers have been funding their consumption with ever increasing debt
Governments have been even worse

that is not going to end well


???
you are incredibly foolish
why would you not consider that it would take me 2 minutes to obtain evidence counter to such a damn fool statement like that?

not at all
i did not think you were that uninformed / foolish



wrong again


your priorities are ideological
learn some economics

the facts just keep mounting up against your ideologically driven position
again try applying logic /facts/ sound judgement before allowing your ideology to determine dictate your position on an issue

It is YOUR ARGUMENT that I am using against you because you are bobbing and weaving around the issue.

So per your own data in this post, it means that Canadians in general are less productive, so it has nothing to do with immigrants. After all, you cannot blame low productivity on 1M immigrants that 40M Canadians couldn't fix.

So there is no reason to reduce immigrants. We have a shortage of labor per your own posts, so we should admit more to fill up those shortages.

Again, you have no argument. You are talking outta your ass.

In you go where you belong:

 

[krealtarron]

nobody is expecting an immigrant to take less
we want well paid productive immigrants, hence the benefit of having a job offer in hand



you could try and argue that, but you would be wrong

this is plain and simple immigrants with in-demand skills & a job offer are going to be more productive than those with out
They are going to be a happier lot as well

We can not afford to bring in millions of people without marketable in -demand skills

Job offers are not given to people without immigration status and for people who are not physically present in Canada. It takes over a year for an immigration application to be processed so you expect a Canadian employer to give job to a guy who isn't even sure he would get through immigration for the next 1,5 years? There is absolutely NO possibility. Its moronic to predicate immigration on job offers. The govt rightfully deprioritized that.

Your goal is to create a catch 22 situation where an immigrant cant get a job without being here, and he cannot be here without a job just to prevent non white people from immigrating. That is purposefully malicious. Now I know why you were accusing me of socially engineering change. THAT is your biggest issue.

Immigrants who come in are some of the best and brightest with skills that we need. They can come here and look for a job and they will be productive. There is also no rush to be productive immediately from day 1. The can take their time.

You have no argument and you are talking outta your ass.

In you go where you belong:

 

[JohnLarue]

Job offers are not given to people without immigration status and for people who are not physically present in Canada. It takes over a year for an immigration application to be processed so you expect a Canadian employer to give job to a guy who isn't even sure he would get through immigration for the next 1,5 years? There is absolutely NO possibility. Its moronic to predicate immigration on job offers. The govt rightfully deprioritized that.

Your goal is to create a catch 22 situation where an immigrant cant get a job without being here, and he cannot be here without a job just to prevent non white people from immigrating. That is purposefully malicious. Now I know why you were accusing me of socially engineering change. THAT is your biggest issue.

Immigrants who come in are some of the best and brightest with skills that we need. They can come here and look for a job and they will be productive. There is also no rush to be productive immediately from day 1. The can take their time.

You have no argument and you are talking outta your ass.

Question: how many times have you been proven wrong with a simple rebuttal ?
Answer: So many time I have lost count

you are wrong again

international job placement agencies in canada - Google Search

if it as you describe, these recruitment companies would not exist
people get international job placements all the time

just because you were not sharp enough to make it work for you, does not mean it cannot happen for bright intelligent immigrants




your priorities are ideological
learn some economics

the facts just keep mounting up against your ideologically driven position
again try applying logic /facts/ sound judgement before allowing your ideology to determine dictate your position on an issue

 

[krealtarron]

Question: how many times have you been proven wrong with a simple rebuttal ?
Answer: So many time I have lost count

you are wrong again

international job placement agencies in canada - Google Search

if it as you describe, these recruitment companies would not exist
people get international job placements all the time

just because you were not sharp enough to make it work for you, does not mean it cannot happen for bright intelligent immigrants




your priorities are ideological
learn some economics

the facts just keep mounting up against your ideologically driven position
again try applying logic /facts/ sound judgement before allowing your ideology to determine dictate your position on an issue

Yup, "just a simple google search" eh? Yeah most of those are immigration fraud. Now I know how you get your "info". Those bright intelligent immigrants can come here and search on their own.

Immigration should never be predicated on job offers and the government was right to deprioritize it.

So far you have presented jackshit - google searches, immigration fraud placement firms, ZERO data to support your ludicrous and self contradicting claims.

In you go where you belong:

 

[JohnLarue]

It is YOUR ARGUMENT that I am using against you because you are bobbing and weaving around the issue.

So per your own data in this post, it means that Canadians in general are less productive, so it has nothing to do with immigrants. After all, you cannot blame low productivity on 1M immigrants that 40M Canadians couldn't fix.

So there is no reason to reduce immigrants. We have a shortage of labor per your own posts, so we should admit more to fill up those shortages.

you are stunned

you stated

Aka our productivity must be super high.

which is incorrect as proven here

one of many times you put your economic ignorance on full display

it is a problem which requires fixing via upgrading the skills of the workforce
bringing in millions of unskilled immigrants is only going to make this issue worse

match up the immigrants with marketable skills to the numerous skilled positions available & everyone wins
the confirmation is a job offer in hand

it is that simple

your priorities are ideological
learn some economics

the facts just keep mounting up against your ideologically driven position
again try applying logic /facts/ sound judgement before allowing your ideology to determine dictate your position on an issue

 

[JohnLarue]

Yup, "just a simple google search" eh? Yeah most of those are immigration fraud.

bullshit
people are placed international on a regular basis
those companies would exist otherwise

Now I know how you get your "info". Those bright intelligent immigrants can come here and search on their own.

Sure... prior to submitted Ing their application
although it makes a lot more sense to have the employer pick up the cost of the travel ... go ahead be stupid

international students have 4 years to seek out and secure a job offer
it happens all the time

Immigration should never be predicated on job offers and the government was right to deprioritize it.

nope it makes all the economic sense in the world to prioritize the value of a job offer

So far you have presented jackshit - google searches, immigration fraud placement firms, ZERO data to support your ludicrous and self contradicting claims.

i can not help you if you insist on remaining ignorant

your priorities are ideological
learn some economics

the facts just keep mounting up against your ideologically driven position
again try applying logic /facts/ sound judgement before allowing your ideology to determine dictate your position on an issue

 

[krealtarron]

you are stunned

you stated


which is incorrect as proven here

one of many times you put your economic ignorance on full display

it is a problem which requires fixing via upgrading the skills of the workforce
bringing in millions of unskilled immigrants is only going to make this issue worse

match up the immigrants with marketable skills to the numerous skilled positions available & everyone wins
the confirmation is a job offer in hand

it is that simple

your priorities are ideological
learn some economics

the facts just keep mounting up against your ideologically driven position
again try applying logic /facts/ sound judgement before allowing your ideology to determine dictate your position on an issue

All based on your own argument. You argued productivity was low at first. And then you said we always produce more than we consume - which leads to the conclusion that productivity is high. Now you revert back to your old statement that productivity is low.

If productivity is high - then immigrants are part of the system and they are doing well.
If productivity is low - then Canadians are to blame because immigrants are a minority.

In both cases immigration is not to be blamed.

Given skills are measured by human capital factors and given human capital factors are being prioritized, the immigrants that come in are highly skilled and will therefore be highly productive and consequently the govt is focusing on the right things.

We have shortages and we are in a demographic decline, so we need MORE immigrants. Not less.

Just because you keep repeating "facts keep mounting up" doesn't mean you have any facts to actually support your ludicrous claims. You are talking outta your ass.

In you go where you belong:

 

[krealtarron]

bullshit
people are placed international on a regular basis
those companies would exist otherwise


Sure... prior to submitted Ing their application
although it makes a lot more sense to have the employer pick up the cost of the travel ... go ahead be stupid

international students have 4 years to seek out and secure a job offer
it happens all the time


nope it makes all the economic sense in the world to prioritize the value of a job offer



i can not help you if you insist on remaining ignorant

your priorities are ideological
learn some economics

the facts just keep mounting up against your ideologically driven position
again try applying logic /facts/ sound judgement before allowing your ideology to determine dictate your position on an issue

Nope people are not. People are either transferred within the same firm, or they come here and search for a job. International students are physically present in Canada.

You have zero arguments and you are talking outta your ass.

There are only 2 things that make economic sense:

1. To prioritize human capital factors the way the govt is right now.
2. To put you where you belong - in you go:

 

[JohnLarue]

All based on your own argument. You argued productivity was low at first. And then you said we always produce more than we consume - which leads to the conclusion that productivity is high. Now you revert back to your old statement that productivity is low.

your ignorance is confusing you

If productivity is high - then immigrants are part of the system and they are doing well.
If productivity is low - then Canadians are to blame because immigrants are a minority.

it is a problem which requires fixing via upgrading the skills of the workforce
bringing in millions of unskilled immigrants is only going to make this issue worse

In both cases immigration is not to be blamed.

this is not about assigning blame you moron
immigrants with the in-demand skills can be a big part of the solution
it is about addressing an issue and not making it worse

Given skills are measured by human capital factors and given human capital factors are being prioritized, the immigrants that come in are highly skilled and will therefore be highly productive and consequently the govt is focusing on the right things.

Given skills are a requirement to obtaining a job offer & given Canadas growing productive problem de-prioritizing the value of a job offer was most defiantly the wrong thing to do

We have shortages and we are in a demographic decline, so we need MORE immigrants. Not less.

we have skilled labor shortages so we need MORE skilled immigrants matched up to the in-demand skilled job vacancies

Adman Hussein greatly increase the volume , yet our productivity is still too low and the number of skilled job vacancies is too high
neither metric is improving, and our housing shortage/ strain on health are just getting worse
so we need to match immigration to the skilled job oppourtunities

Just because you keep repeating "facts keep mounting up" doesn't mean you have any facts to actually support your ludicrous claims. You are talking outta your ass.

i have presented a huge number of facts and very sound logic
it is not my fault you are void of economic understanding and allow you ideology to do your thinking for you
i can not help you if you insist on remaining ignorant

your priorities are ideological
learn some economics

the facts just keep mounting up against your ideologically driven position
again try applying logic /facts/ sound judgement before allowing your ideology to determine dictate your position on an issue