There is no watering down of anything. They have increased priority on human capital factors that actually makes it more difficult to immigrate and the ones who get through are the best and the brightest.
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Ah I see! So now you are showing YOUR true objectives. You dont care about jobs, or immigration criteria. You simply do not want immigrants who are non-white. You could have just said that initially. You are fundamentally afraid of societal change. I get it now!
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I want more redhead immigrants (no qualifications required other than a criminal/medical check, for females, I'd waive that too). Everyone else, including blondes, other whites, non whites, they must go thru the equitable rigorous qualification process. Global warming is a serious threat to redheads. 1% UV radiation gets thru our atmosphere (sunscreen works). Anything higher destroys significant life of all kind on Earth.
If you have no sense of humor I suggest ignoring this post.
If you have no sense of humor I suggest ignoring this post.
oh boy
i have been very clear economic considerations trump all other
you injected race into the discussion you pompass ass, not me
what is wrong with you?
reducing the value of a job offer from 600 to 50 points is watered down criteria
only a fool or a uncompromising partisan ideologue (a fool by any other name) would argue it is not
I have been very clear that what you are referring to as economic considerations are actually human capital considerations. I was refuting your point that we are allowing immigration because of labor shortage. No. We have a demographic decline and we are resolving that by importing people who can be good citizens who I said will change the nature of Canada over time. You took exception to that and accused me of some form of hatred against anglo-saxons.
Reducing points awarded for job offers and instead favouring immigrants with higher potential is the RIGHT criteria to use.
They fixed their mistake and made it better.
it is not better
the goal of the immigration system is positive economic impact, not social engineering
reducing the value of a job offer from 600 to 50 points is watered down criteria
only a fool or a uncompromising partisan ideologue (a fool by any other name) would argue it is not
There is no social engineering. The immigration system is working perfectly.
Human capital factors such as age, work experience, education, language ability, job skills create positive economic impact. The goal of the Canadian immigration system is to resolve issues with our demographic decline, not import temporary workers to fill jobs.
There is no watering down of any criteria and the right criteria are being prioritized.
Only a boneheaded and foolish partisan ideologue (a fool by any other name) would lie that it is.
and you have been wrong
the human capital attributes are all requirements to obtain a job offer
And the are all of zero value to Canada without a job offer
and you were dead wrong
we have lots of people , the housing shortage should tell you that
what we need are specific skilled positions filled in the labor force
there was no need to inject race as an issue
and you made it an issue
obviously you view immigration as a tool for societal change / social engineering &
you are no fan of the current English speaking, Anglo-Saxon society
btw ... yes we are importing people to work/ contribute to GDP growth.
That is the objective of the immigration system
willing to work hard & contribute ? ... welcome to Canada
if an immigrant applicant does not want to work hard & contribute... sorry we are full up
reducing the value of a job offer from 600 to 50 points is watered down criteria
only a fool or a uncompromising partisan ideologue (a fool by any other name) would argue it is not
Wrong.
Those immigrants come here and get jobs. So their skills are not wasted and they contribute to Canada as they are supposed to. There is no issue or discussion to be had here.
We do not import people to fill specific jobs, we are an aging demographic and we are in a demographic decline. We import people of all skills as long as they have skills to secure jobs. It is the right approach to immigration.
You obviously do not care about anything you have said. The only thing you care about is societal change. So despite the fact that immigrants come here and secure the jobs they are skilled to do, you for some strange inexplicable reason have a problem with it along with injecting an accusation that I wanted to socially engineer change. The problem is with you, not with me
There is no watering down of any criteria and the right criteria are being prioritized.
Only a boneheaded and foolish partisan ideologue (a fool by any other name) would lie that it is.
an aging demographic is an economic issue
obviously you view immigration as a tool for societal change / social engineering &
you are no fan of the current English speaking, Anglo-Saxon society
btw ... yes we are importing people to work/ contribute to GDP growth.
That is the objective of the immigration system
willing to work hard & contribute ? ... welcome to Canada
if an immigrant applicant does not want to work hard & contribute... sorry we are full up
reducing the value of a job offer from 600 to 50 points is watered down criteria
only a fool or a uncompromising partisan ideologue (a fool by any other name) would argue it is not
obviously you view immigration as a tool for societal change / social engineering &
you are no fan of the current English speaking, Anglo-Saxon society
btw ... yes we are importing people to work/ contribute to GDP growth.
That is the objective of the immigration system
willing to work hard & contribute ? ... welcome to Canada
if an immigrant applicant does not want to work hard & contribute... sorry we are full up
reducing the value of a job offer from 600 to 50 points is watered down criteria
only a fool or a uncompromising partisan ideologue (a fool by any other name) would argue it is not
No an aging demographic is a human capital issue. Those people will not be able to bring their skills to the jobs available, so there is human capital debt in the country. So we allow immigrants that score the highest in human capital factors so they may contribute once they get here, and that is what they do. We need young citizens who can make a life and be successful and that is where the focus is. There is absolutely no issue and there is no discussion to be had.
You were the one who connected immigration with societal change, so it is clearly your problem. Not mine. You are just sugar coating it in pseudo intellectual language.
There is no watering down of any criteria and the right criteria are being prioritized.
Only a boneheaded and foolish partisan ideologue (a fool by any other name) would lie that it is.
no it is an economic issue
you are too stunned to understand your human capital factors are all just job offer requirements
you are too stunned to understand an immigrants previous work experience is of zero value to Canada unless it is used to obtain a job offer
you are too stunned to understand an immigrants skill set is of zero value to Canada unless it is used to obtain a job offer
the only reasons an aging population is an issue are purely economic
wtf ??
you introduced the societal change issue
obviously you view immigration as a tool for societal change / social engineering &
you are no fan of the current English speaking, Anglo-Saxon society
Canada is already one of these most ethnically diverse countries in the world and our current demographics dictate this diversity will increase naturally
I have zero issue with ethnically diverse immigration provided
1. they are willing to work hard & contribute
2. they leave any religious / ethnic intolerances behind in the old country
3. do not expect special interest treatment
cover these and its 'Welcome to Canada'
where as
your objective is to accelerate societal change
that is not the purpose of our immigration system
rational societies will accept and embrace naturally evolving societal change
no rational society want social engineering imposed upon it by special interest groups or the UN
yes we are importing people to work. and for very specific in demand positions
Canada has a productivity problem, we want new comers to be productive and contribute ( economics again)
reducing the value of a job offer from 600 to 50 points is watered down criteria
it is a statistical certainty that altering this criteria will reduce the number of placements into in demand positions
which is the primary objective of our immigration system
only a fool or a uncompromising partisan ideologue (a fool by any other name) would argue it is not watered down criteria
you confused yourself about the math & now you have confused yourself about the objectives
Wrong.
You are dazed and confused. You dont realize what a messy argument you are making.
1. An aging population is not an economic issue. It is a demographic decline. It not only affects our ability staff people in jobs, but also our ability to replace dying people. Aka have babies. So our immigration goals are NOT to staff people in jobs. It is to replace an aging population with a younger one, so we have a future as Canadians. Your understanding that it is just to staff for jobs, is therefore incorrect. This isn't social engineering. This is a necessity for our future. Canadas average fertility rate currently is 1.4. We need 2.1 to sustain a population.
2. You are making a messy and confused argument, where on the one hand you acknowledge that human capital factors are job requirements. But on other hand you are against people with said requirements coming in, to take up the jobs that you say are short staffed. You argument is that they should already come here with a job. That is not a practical scenario because no Canadian employer will give you jobs to someone 20,000 miles away. So if that condition were to be applied you would neither reach your goal of fulfilling positions nor reversing Canada's population decline.
Immigrants come here and get a job. May be initially they will take up part time jobs as the search, but that is all very acceptable. We ABSOLUTELY DO NOT water down any criteria and we ABSOLUTELY DO NOT allow immigration for "specific jobs". That has NEVER been the case before or after Harper.
Immigrants that come here are willing to work, want to work and are often times harder workers and smarter individuals than Canadians. So all of your requirements as well as Canada's requirements are actually being fulfilled by the current immigration system:
- Immigrants are intelligent, qualified and capable
- Immigrants are hard working
- Immigrants are not getting anything for free.
- Immigrants are helping Canada move towards being able to sustain the population
There is no watering down of any criteria and the right criteria are being prioritized.
Only a boneheaded and foolish partisan ideologue (a fool by any other name) would lie that it is.
Thank you Trudeau and Singh for bringing in a million immigrants! Who gives a fuck about canadians and housing and infrastructure problems!
Most important are illegal (sorry irregular) immigrants, closely followed by refugees, then students (read truckers), other immigrants, parents/grandparents and finally the suckers (tax paying canadians)
Most important are illegal (sorry irregular) immigrants, closely followed by refugees, then students (read truckers), other immigrants, parents/grandparents and finally the suckers (tax paying canadians)
you are not providing specifics or evidence , so your statement is of zero value
wrong
we have positive population growth
canada death rate - Google Search
you were confused about relative % (grade 5 math)
you were confused about housing supply
and now you are confused about population growth
i suspect if you were to review your sources you will find the 2.1 value is what is required to sustain positive GDP growth i.e. economic growth
an economic issue which requires economic criteria to address
the same economic criteria admen Hussein watered down from 600 points to 50 points
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not at all
#1. your human capital criteria ARE all requirements for a job offer. this is obvious when you list them and you have provided no counter argument other than to deny the obvious, in a rather obnoxious manner
#2 watering down that job offer criteria will guarantee fewer of those in demand positions are filled. this is a mathematical certainty
wrong
it happens all the time.
our Canadian Doctors, nurses get offers for international positions on a regular basis
international job offers are available for engineers, scientists, finance, heath care, technology professional and skilled trades persons
it is a two way trade, Canadian corporations do the same
the thousands of international students studying in Canada also located perfectly to seek a Canadian job offer prior to applying for immigration
wrong
see above, we do not have a population decline, we likely have a workforce decline , with specific gaps requiring specific skills (Health Care, trades, IT, fiancé)
again it is economic issue that required targeted economic criteria to address
not when the objective is to fulfill in-demand positions
serving double doubles at Tim Horton's or driving an uber vehicle is not going to cut it when we need welders, electricians, doctors and nurses
wrong
The absolute number of immigrants admitted under Prime Minister Steven Harper was the highest in 90 years
Admen Hussein messed with what worked well for all parties and he did this for ideological reasons/ at the demand of the UN
i have seen cases where this is true,
i have also seen examples of lazy assed immigrants who avoid work like the plague
no different from the domestic population
that happens when you observe a large enough sample size
generally speaking, most immigrants i have encounter are decent, intelligent , hard working and family orientated
welcome to Canada
that does not change our economic requirements , nor the objective of the immigration system
All that is missing is a job offer
and
budget of the ministry of immigration and citizenship canada - Google Search
they also use public infrastructure and have access to public health care
So arriving with out a job offer does cost the Canadian taxpayer, do not delude yourself
your confusion never ends
you were confused about relative % (grade 5 math)
you were confused about housing supply
and you were confused about population growth
and you are most definitely confused about watered down criteria
reducing the value of a job offer from 600 to 50 points is watered down criteria
it is a statistical certainty that altering this criteria will reduce the number of placements into in demand positions
which is the primary objective of our immigration system
only a fool or a uncompromising partisan ideologue (a fool by any other name) would argue it is not watered down criteria
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Some figures from the happiest country on earth.
