Iran still enriching to 60%

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Israel is refusing to sign and abide by the NPT.
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As is Pakistan and India but for some reason (Jews) you only care about one of them. Israel had nukes from before the NPT and even if they had signed, they'd still have nukes.


Other than your Jew hatred, why are you so adamant in your defence of Iran? It's pretty fucking retarded that your only excuse when caught with facts is to make up stories about wanting war. Sorry but the only person who wants war is you with your constant crusade against Jews living in the Middle East.
 

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As is Pakistan and India but for some reason (Jews) you only care about one of them. Israel had nukes from before the NPT and even if they had signed, they'd still have nukes.


Other than your Jew hatred, why are you so adamant in your defence of Iran? It's pretty fucking retarded that your only excuse when caught with facts is to make up stories about wanting war. Sorry but the only person who wants war is you with your constant crusade against Jews living in the Middle East.
We could start a thread about Pakistan and India but we'd both agree they should sign and it would end after one post.
This keeps going on because you won't accept Israel signing the NPT you think only applies to Iran.
 

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We could start a thread about Pakistan and India but we'd both agree they should sign and it would end after one post.
This keeps going on because you won't accept Israel signing the NPT you think only applies to Iran.
Nice excuse. There's only one country you have demanded to be disarmed, based purely on your racist world view. In the meantime, you keep making excuses for Iran.

It's amazing that you keep advocating for the JCPOA but have yet to even hint at criticism of Iran for rejecting the mediated deal. Iran's nuclear actions deserve condemnation but since they want Israel destroyed as much as you do, you're happy to back one of the world's least rights respecting countries.


(and the counterfactual of your dumb double-standard argument is as a pre-existing nuclear power, Israel could keep their nukes, just like the US, Russia, and China)
 

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(and the counterfactual of your dumb double-standard argument is as a pre-existing nuclear power, Israel could keep their nukes, just like the US, Russia, and China)
If you think its no big deal for Israel to sign the NPT why won't you call for it to happen?
It would cost you nothing and make you one touch less of a hypocrite?
 

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If you think its no big deal for Israel to sign the NPT why won't you call for it to happen?
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Still ignoring Pakistan and India? What a surprise.

Whatever desperate tactics you feel you need to avoid admitting that Iran enriching to 84% and refusing to re-enter the JCPOA is a bad thing.
 

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Still ignoring Pakistan and India? What a surprise.

Whatever desperate tactics you feel you need to avoid admitting that Iran enriching to 84% and refusing to re-enter the JCPOA is a bad thing.
What are you on about?
Pakistan and India should sign the NPT.
Israel should sign the NPT.
Iran should renew the JCPOA.

For years Israel has been pressuring the US to abandon the JCPOA and start a war with Iran. Trump quit the JCPOA.
Now Iran is aligning with Russia and China and about to meet with the Saudis as well.
Of course Israel is aligned with the Saudis, but the chances for your war get worse as does Iran's need to end the US sanctions that rump put in place when ended US participation.

Stupid all around for Israel, they can't start a war with China/Russia backing Iran now and stand to lose out as the Saudi/Iran/China/Russia partnership gets more serious.

It would have been so much better had Israel not pressured rump to pull out of the JCPOA in the first place.

 

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What are you on about?
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In case you missed it, I'm concerned about Iran's nuclear program which goes well beyond anything needed for a peaceful nuclear program.

You on the other hand are defending Iran simply because of your obsession with Israel.




p.s. Saudi Arabia sees Iran's nuclear program and want their won. But they're not Jews so you probably back yet another authoritarian regime inches away from nukes.
 

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In case you missed it, I'm concerned about Iran's nuclear program
In case you missed it, Iran is cooperating with the IAEA.
Israel is not.

 

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In case you missed it, Iran is cooperating with the IAEA.
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Iran is discussing cooperating ad they continue to enrich way beyond anything that they have any civilian use for. And don't you see how pathetic it is that your Jew obsession has you backing one of the most repressive countries in the world enriching to 84%?

Are you still ignoring that the EU mediators had the JCPOA ready to be resigned, the US agreed, but Iran didn't, giving the explicit reason that they didn't want the IAEA investigating undeclared nuclear sites?


p.s. No comment on how Iran's suspicious program has Saudi Arabia wanting their own?
 

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Yes, Iran is discussing cooperating.
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Thanks for admitting that they aren't cooperating right now, haven't stopped enriching over 60%, haven't handed over the certification videos form the past year, are increasing instead of reducing their advanced enrichment capacity, and haven't explained to the IAEA about their undeclared nuclear sites.

And because of Iran, Saudi Arabia is heavily pushing to start their own nuclear program.

Why (other than your Jew obsession) are you unwilling to criticize Iran for refusing the EU mediated JCPOA?
 

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They are cooperating right now.
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Except they're not. They are in negotiations to cooperate while continuing with basic NPT violations and still refusing IAEA inspectors the required access. They are also continuing to enrich way beyond any possible civilian usage

The Jew obsession is strong in this one.
 

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Except they're not. They are in negotiations to cooperate while continuing with basic NPT violations and still refusing IAEA inspectors the required access. They are also continuing to enrich way beyond any possible civilian usage

The Jew obsession is strong in this one.
Being in negotiation is cooperating.
Iran is in negotiations, they are cooperating.
Israel is not in negotiations and not cooperating, as well as not an NPT signatory.

Yet you still say only Iran is in the wrong.
 

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Being in negotiation is cooperating.
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I know you like facts but the only negotiation is whether Iran will start to allow the IAEA access to cameras. There is no discussion of them giving the old footage they've been holding. There's no talks on reducing enrichment capacity. There are no talks on stopping enrichment to 60%. And there's absolutely no talks on explaining their undeclared sites.

But Iran's government hates Israel so you are happy to back their disgusting dictatorship.
 

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I know you like facts but the only negotiation is whether Iran will start to allow the IAEA access to cameras. There is no discussion of them giving the old footage they've been holding. There's no talks on reducing enrichment capacity. There are no talks on stopping enrichment to 60%. And there's absolutely no talks on explaining their undeclared sites.

But Iran's government hates Israel so you are happy to back their disgusting dictatorship.
There are no discussions at all of Israel signing and abiding by the NPT and you don't care in the least.
 

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There are no discussions at all of Israel signing and abiding by the NPT and you don't care in the least.
Why would there be. Of course you don't give a shit about there being no discussions of Pakistan or India joining either. Now if India somehow elected a Jewish president, I'm sure you would start condemning them too.


I wonder if you ever sit back and contemplate your inability to discuss Iran's problems without trying to make it about Jews.
 

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p.s. IAEA's Feb and March reports

Full of things like:
11. In summary, in the event of a full resumption of implementation by Iran of its nuclear-related commitments under the JCPOA, the Agency would not be able to re-establish continuity of knowledge in relation to the production and inventory of centrifuges, rotors and bellows, heavy water and UOC.

22. Since 23 February 2021, the Agency has not had access to the data and recordings collected by its surveillance equipment installed at FEP to monitor any withdrawals by Iran of IR-1 centrifuges from those held in storage for the replacement of damaged or failed IR-1 centrifuges installed at FEP. On 10 June 2022 this surveillance equipment was removed and no data has since been recorded for verification and monitoring (para. 29.1).

31. On 21 January 2023, during a routine inspection without advance notification – also known as an unannounced inspection (UI)47 – at FFEP, the Agency detected that, while the two IR-6 cascades were still being fed with UF6 enriched up to 5% U-235 to produce UF6 enriched up to 60% U-235, they were interconnected in a way that was substantially different from the design information declared by Iran in the most recently updated DIQ [p.s. the cascades that enriched to 84%]

62. As of 12 February 2023, the estimated total enriched uranium stockpile in the form of UF6 of 3402.0 kg comprised:
• 1555.3 kg of uranium enriched up to 2% U-235 (–289.2 kg since the previous quarterly report);
• 1324.5 kg of uranium enriched up to 5% U-235 (+294.6 kg);
• 434.7 kg of uranium enriched up to 20% U-235 (+48.3 kg); and
• 87.5 kg of uranium enriched up to 60% U-235 (+25.2 kg). [about 23 kg @60% is needed for a modern nuke]

65. Since 23 February 2021, the Agency has not:
• had access to the data from its on-line enrichment monitors and electronic seals, or access to the measurement recordings registered by its installed measurement devices: on 10 June 2022 this monitoring equipment was removed and placed in storage at the respective locations under Agency seals, and therefore ceased operation (para. 67.1);
• been provided with any information or access to data from containment and surveillance measures relating to the transfer to UCF of UOC produced in Iran or obtained from any other source (para. 68);
• had access to the data and recordings collected by its surveillance equipment installed to monitor the production of UOC, and since 11 June 2022, when this surveillance equipment was removed, has ceased operation;
• been provided with any information on the production of UOC or on whether it has obtained UOC from any other source (para. 69).

4. Nevertheless, as indicated in the Director General’s report of 30 May 2022 (GOV/2022/26), despite the Agency providing Iran with numerous opportunities, in different formats through exchanges and meetings in Vienna and Tehran, to clarify these safeguards issues, they remained unresolved. 6 Iran had still not provided explanations that were technically credible. Nor had Iran informed the Agency of the current location(s) of the nuclear material or equipment contaminated with nuclear material, or both, that were moved from Turquzabad to an unknown location in 2018.
 

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p.s. IAEA's Feb and March reports

Full of things like:
11. In summary, in the event of a full resumption of implementation by Iran of its nuclear-related commitments under the JCPOA, the Agency would not be able to re-establish continuity of knowledge in relation to the production and inventory of centrifuges, rotors and bellows, heavy water and UOC.

22. Since 23 February 2021, the Agency has not had access to the data and recordings collected by its surveillance equipment installed at FEP to monitor any withdrawals by Iran of IR-1 centrifuges from those held in storage for the replacement of damaged or failed IR-1 centrifuges installed at FEP. On 10 June 2022 this surveillance equipment was removed and no data has since been recorded for verification and monitoring (para. 29.1).

31. On 21 January 2023, during a routine inspection without advance notification – also known as an unannounced inspection (UI)47 – at FFEP, the Agency detected that, while the two IR-6 cascades were still being fed with UF6 enriched up to 5% U-235 to produce UF6 enriched up to 60% U-235, they were interconnected in a way that was substantially different from the design information declared by Iran in the most recently updated DIQ [p.s. the cascades that enriched to 84%]

62. As of 12 February 2023, the estimated total enriched uranium stockpile in the form of UF6 of 3402.0 kg comprised:
• 1555.3 kg of uranium enriched up to 2% U-235 (–289.2 kg since the previous quarterly report);
• 1324.5 kg of uranium enriched up to 5% U-235 (+294.6 kg);
• 434.7 kg of uranium enriched up to 20% U-235 (+48.3 kg); and
• 87.5 kg of uranium enriched up to 60% U-235 (+25.2 kg). [about 23 kg @60% is needed for a modern nuke]

65. Since 23 February 2021, the Agency has not:
• had access to the data from its on-line enrichment monitors and electronic seals, or access to the measurement recordings registered by its installed measurement devices: on 10 June 2022 this monitoring equipment was removed and placed in storage at the respective locations under Agency seals, and therefore ceased operation (para. 67.1);
• been provided with any information or access to data from containment and surveillance measures relating to the transfer to UCF of UOC produced in Iran or obtained from any other source (para. 68);
• had access to the data and recordings collected by its surveillance equipment installed to monitor the production of UOC, and since 11 June 2022, when this surveillance equipment was removed, has ceased operation;
• been provided with any information on the production of UOC or on whether it has obtained UOC from any other source (para. 69).

4. Nevertheless, as indicated in the Director General’s report of 30 May 2022 (GOV/2022/26), despite the Agency providing Iran with numerous opportunities, in different formats through exchanges and meetings in Vienna and Tehran, to clarify these safeguards issues, they remained unresolved. 6 Iran had still not provided explanations that were technically credible. Nor had Iran informed the Agency of the current location(s) of the nuclear material or equipment contaminated with nuclear material, or both, that were moved from Turquzabad to an unknown location in 2018.
Cool, I hope the negotiations go well and Iran can re-enter the JCPOA with the US ending the rump imposed sanctions.

And while we are asking for countries to abide by treaties, lets consider this in the same breath.

UN: Israel must take 'immediate steps' to give up nuclear weapons
 

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