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Greta Thunberg exposed as low hanging fruit picker.

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"It’s gonna be really awkward when she grows old and the world hasn’t ended."
Doesn't have to be awkward for her to switch side as she sees fit. I envision
she will become the spokesperson in the PR department of Exxon-Mobil having
been convinced the world can survive bad weather. She will live long enough to
finally get a taste of driving and flying (not on solar-powered cars and planes).
 

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No one will argue with this BUT if you have to create and fake $cience for the sole purpose to push your agenda because you can't sell it under normal conditions creates an ethical issue society should have a problem with.
Whether Greta's warning of looming climate catastrophe is fake and unscientific
is not as significant as her impact on the world's transition away from fossil fuel in
my view. As far as I can see the world today is no more sustainable than it was before 2018. Current trend looks more like climate-positive energy exporters
like Canada, Norway and Australia are escalating fossil fuel extraction.

On the surface of it all the climate strikes and litigation against governments
and oil producers do make it appear like Greta's climate movement is moving
in the right direction. Upon scrutiny it looks to me the biggest benefactors
of her campaign are the establishments of politicians, wealthy elites and Big Oil.
 
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Doesn't have to be awkward for her to switch side as she sees fit. I envision
she will become the spokesperson in the PR department of Exxon-Mobil having
been convinced the world can survive bad weather. She will live long enough to
finally get a taste of driving and flying (not on solar-powered cars and planes).
Dystopian fiction does have it's place. I like the stuff where the South wins the Civil War...
 
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Whether Greta's warning of looming climate catastrophe is fake and unscientific
is not as significant as her impact on the world's transition away from fossil fuel in
my view. As far as I can see the world today is no more sustainable than it was before 2018. Current trend looks more like climate-positive energy exporters
like Canada, Norway and Australia are escalating fossil fuel extraction.

On the surface of it all the climate strikes and litigation against governments
and oil producers do make it appear like Greta's climate movement is moving
in the right direction. Upon scrutiny it looks to me the biggest benefactors
of her campaign are the establishments of politicians, wealthy elites and Big Oil.
So the whole thing is rigged, right???
 

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It isn't rigged. It is more like Greta and her climate movement
just played into the hands of the powers that be.
 

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Dystopian fiction does have it's place. I like the stuff where the South wins the Civil War...
Have you ever encountered a youth (Mennonites excluded) who does
not want to drive and fly? And if you have kids won't you ban them
from taking driving lessons?

Asides from her autism Greta seems healthy.
She most likely has the needs and wants of a normal female adult. It will
be perfectly normal for Greta to make big money and enjoy life like everyone
else. David Suzuki's daughter 3 decades ago flew to the UN to tell the
world she was so worried about the future. She is apparently living
a happy and comfortable life today with her children.

 

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Have you ever encountered a youth (Mennonites excluded) who does
not want to drive and fly? And if you have kids won't you ban them
from taking driving lessons?

Asides from her autism Greta seems healthy.
She most likely has the needs and wants of a normal female adult. It will
be perfectly normal for Greta to make big money and enjoy life like everyone
else. David Suzuki's daughter 3 decades ago flew to the UN to tell the
world she was so worried about the future. She is apparently living
a happy and comfortable life today with her children.

"Do what you always did and get what you always got" Doesn't really apply here...
 

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No one will argue with this BUT if you have to create and fake $cience for the sole purpose to push your agenda because you can't sell it under normal conditions creates an ethical issue society should have a problem with.
If you had to. But you don't.
Even when Exxon and Shell used their own scientists they came up with the same projections.
Its every single fucking legit scientist except a handful of morons under the pay of the oil&gas industry.

 

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If you had to. But you don't.
Even when Exxon and Shell used their own scientists they came up with the same projections.
Its every single fucking legit scientist except a handful of morons under the pay of the oil&gas industry.

Scientist who probably no longer work for big oil. In violation of the "inconvenient facts" clause in the employment contract or something...
 

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Scientist who probably no longer work for big oil. In violation of the "inconvenient facts" clause in the employment contract or something...
Those reports were done 50 years ago before climate change was on everyone's radar.
Really, its even before Hansen's projection in the 80's.
 

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Those reports were done 50 years ago before climate change was on everyone's radar.
Really, its even before Hansen's projection in the 80's.
The oil & gas industry has known about the consequences of climate change for nearly 50 years. But they've done everything they could to downplay it or sow seeds of doubt to protect their interests. Very much like how the tobacco industry know smoking killed people by hushed it up for decades. Or how the sugar industry shifted the blame to fatty foods for the rise in heart disease in the 70s.

The vast majority of scientists believe climate change is a real and present danger to our world. While some people might have jumped the gun on when theses consequences might come (hello Al Gore), we are seeing the effects slowly happen. I mean, California is in a severe drought, and the neighbouring states are having serious water issues as well. The Rockies aren't getting the same snow fall as they have, so the spring runoff isn't as large... Damaging storms are becoming more frequent and powerful, causing carnage and massive property damage. And we're sold a bag of bullshit by being told we're helping the environment by recycling.

I'm not going to pretend I have the answers here. There are so many issues to deal with, but some of the ideas are pretty damn good. I'd love to live in a 15 minute city situation again. It's so much healthier and better for the environment. I'd like to have battery technology reach the next stage of development, where EVs can hold a charge for long distances and re-charge quickly, and where renewable energy sources like solar and wind can save up the power on calm and cloudy days.

We'll probably need the oil & gas industry for a looooong time. I mean, we need nat gas to heat our homes, and the use of plastic isn't going to change that quickly...
 

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It is really quite sad that people take shots at a young person for caring about the environment and the planet and the future for our children and grandchildren etc.

People can continue to deny it pretend that the environment is not affected by carbon emissions etc. So are usually but not often the same people who denied the harmful effects if tabaco and guns and and the usual stuff and parrot the lobbyists etc.and introduce red herrings at every turn and divert etc. Sad.
 
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It isn't rigged. It is more like Greta and her climate movement
just played into the hands of the powers that be.
You guys know she is directly related to TPTB, she's a Rothchild once removed and her grandfather is a WEF exec. She didn't start anything THOSE people didn't want her to do.

 
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Totally false.
That's the lamest greenwashing I've seen here.
And if you think that's anything BUT staged then you sir are intellectually disingenuous and lack common sense. I don't understand why it's so hard for people to admit they are being duped by TPTB every step of the way, especially when it comes to topics that are in the news non-stop.
 

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It is really quite sad that people take shots at a young person for caring about the environment and the planet and the future for our children and grandchildren etc.
Think not how much Greta cares about the planet. Think how low
global carbon emission is to be reduced by her efforts; think how likely
Greta's climate movement is to save the Earth's climate from reaching
the tipping point within this decade.

People can continue to deny it pretend that the environment is not affected by carbon emissions etc. So are usually but not often the same people who denied the harmful effects if tabaco and guns and and the usual stuff and parrot the lobbyists etc.and introduce red herrings at every turn and divert etc. Sad.
Very few if any people of influence in politics and business are
climate deniers. Most of them are on the side of Greta. If I were a
climate activist I wouldn't be bothered by attacks on Greta in the
internet which couldn't possibly have any impact on the climate.
 
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Greta Thunberg’s new book urges the world to take climate action now

Feb 17, 2023
Erin Wayman

The best shot we have at minimizing the future impacts of climate change is to limit global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius. Since the Industrial Revolution began, humankind has already raised the average global temperature by about 1.1 degrees. If we continue to emit greenhouse gases at the current rate, the world will probably surpass the 1.5-degree threshold by the end of the decade.

That sobering fact makes clear that climate change isn’t just a problem to solve someday soon; it’s an emergency to respond to now. And yet, most people don’t act like we’re in the midst of the greatest crisis humans have ever faced — not politicians, not the media, not your neighbor, not myself, if I’m honest. That’s what I realized after finishing The Climate Book by Greta Thunberg.

The urgency to act now, to kick the addiction to fossil fuels, practically jumps off the page to punch you in the gut. So while not a pleasant read — it’s quite stressful — it’s a book I can’t recommend enough. The book’s aim is not to convince skeptics that climate change is real. We’re well past that. Instead, it’s a wake-up call for anyone concerned about the future.

A collection of bite-size essays, The Climate Book provides an encyclopedic overview of all aspects of the climate crisis, including the basic science, the history of denialism and inaction, and what to do next. Thunberg, who became the face of climate activism after starting the Fridays For Future protests as a teenager (SN: 12/16/19), assembles an all-star roster of experts to write the essays.

The first two sections of the book lay out how a small amount of warming can have major, far-reaching effects. For some readers, this will be familiar territory. But as each essay builds on the next, it becomes clear just how delicate Earth’s climate system is. What also becomes clear is the significance of 1.5 degrees (SN: 12/17/18). Beyond this point, scientists fear, various aspects of the natural world might reach tipping points that usher in irreversible changes, even if greenhouse gas emissions are later brought under control. Ice sheets could melt, raise sea levels and drown coastal areas. The Amazon rainforest could become a dry grassland.

The cumulative effect would be a complete transformation of the climate. Our health and the livelihood of other species and entire ecosystems would be in danger, the book shows. Not surprisingly, essay after essay ends with the same message: We must cut greenhouse gas emissions, now and quickly.

Repetition is found elsewhere in the book. Numerous essays offer overlapping scientific explanations, stats about emissions, historical notes and thoughts about the future. Rather than being tedious, the repetition reinforces the message that we know what the climate change threat is, we know how to tackle it and we’ve known for a long time.

Thunberg’s anger and frustration over the decades of inaction, false starts and broken pledges are palpable in her own essays that run throughout the book. The world has known about human-caused climate change for decades, yet about half of all human-related carbon dioxide emissions ever released have occurred since 1990. That’s the year the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change released its first report and just two years before world leaders met in Rio de Janeiro in 1992 to sign the first international treaty to curb emissions (SN: 6/23/90).

Perversely, the people who will bear the brunt of the extreme storms, heat waves, rising seas and other impacts of climate change are those who are least culpable. The richest 10 percent of the world’s population accounts for half of all carbon dioxide emissions while the top 1 percent emits more than twice as much as the bottom half. But because of a lack of resources, poorer populations are the least equipped to deal with the fallout. “Humankind has not created this crisis,” Thunberg writes, “it was created by those in power.”

That injustice must be confronted and accounted for as the world addresses climate change, perhaps even through reparations, Olúfẹ́mi O. Táíwò, a philosopher at Georgetown University, argues in one essay.

So what is the path forward? Thunberg and many of her coauthors are generally skeptical that new tech alone will be our savior. Carbon capture and storage, or CCS, for example, has been heralded as one way to curb emissions. But less than a third of the roughly 150 planned CCS projects that were supposed to be operational by 2020 are up and running.

Progress has been impeded by expenses and technology fails, science writer Ketan Joshi explains. An alternative might be “rewilding,” restoring damaged mangrove forests, seagrass meadows and other ecosystems that naturally suck CO2 out of the air (SN: 9/14/22), suggest environmental activists George Monbiot and Rebecca Wrigley.

Fixing the climate problem will not only require transforming our energy and transportation systems, which often get the most attention, but also our economies (endless growth is not sustainable), political systems and connection to nature and with each other, the book’s authors argue.

The last fifth of the book lays out how we could meet this daunting challenge. What’s needed is a critical mass of individuals who are willing to make lifestyle changes and be heard. This could trigger a social movement strong enough to force politicians to listen and create systemic and structural change. In other words, it’s time to start acting like we’re in a crisis. Thunberg doesn’t end the book by offering hope. Instead, she argues we each have to make our own hope.

“To me, hope is not something that is given to you, it is something you have to earn, to create,” she writes. “It cannot be gained passively, through standing by and waiting for someone else to do something. Hope is taking action.”

 
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