Jordan Peterson says Ontario psychologist licence may be suspended over public statements

Valcazar

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I have a relative that works in a Rogers call centre that was told pronouns are mandatory in the signature of emails.
Then that's a stupid policy by Rogers without any additional explanation.

My work has an option where people can put them in and I would say about 1/3-1/2 the company does it, others don't, and no one complains.
 

Valcazar

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Except..... The Canadian Charter of Rights doesn't lend itself well to heavily religious pseudo legal arguments. So I am guessing that his applications and arguments are pretty bad.
Bad arguments aren't crazy to me.
You push the law and argue to try and get the interpretation you want.

It's when you get into flat out making shit up or arguments that are self-contradictory or fly in the face of logic that I will drop him down a notch.

All I've seen right now is a letter or two, and he hasn't hit that point yet.

You're probably right and he will end up being a crackpot, but I'm willing to wait until he actually shows us that.
 

mellowjello

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You sort of arguing with the APA and most government bodies and large corporations now though, aren't you?

They're all doing it. So - according to you - they're all wrong.
Yes.
Absolutely and unequivocally.

Do you hold a belief simply because some government bodies and large corporations say so, is that how you process your value system?
Do you really believe any corporation would support this based on a "moral" principal, pandering to an insignificant consumer demographic
that most consumers don't agree with, because it's just? Is that what's driving this?
 

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Except..... The Canadian Charter of Rights doesn't lend itself well to heavily religious pseudo legal arguments. So I am guessing that his applications and arguments are pretty bad.
Can you give an example of a "heavily religious pseudo legal argument" that he's made.
I don't mean an opinion, but an actual legal argument.
I like Peterson but I'm not religious.
Is it possible that I can agree with something he says because it's rational, even if it might be religiously motivated
while I am an atheist?
 

mandrill

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Yes.
Absolutely and unequivocally.

Do you hold a belief simply because some government bodies and large corporations say so, is that how you process your value system?
Do you really believe any corporation would support this based on a "moral" principal, pandering to an insignificant consumer demographic
that most consumers don't agree with, because it's just? Is that what's driving this?
I don't think it's an "insignificant consumer demographic". I think that most people at least tolerate it and many - especially younger people - probably welcome it. It's now majoritarian and is unlikely to be reversed.

Lawyers have to attend mandatory seminars on trans and native Canadian inclusivity. I think it's a bit overblown. OTOH, I wouldn't exclude a practitioner because they are trans or trans-allied. They are entitled to be accepted regardless of their sexuality or gender identity. And getting annoyed at "pronouns" says more about you and your buddies than the person with the pronouns.

Many lawyers now choose to add pronouns after their names. Again it seems a little overblown, but I'm more interested in whether the person is reasonable, smart, ethical and cooperative professionally than whether they use pronouns. Their private life and choices is none of my concern - nor yours.

Peterson should learn to keep his nose out of other people's business. But of course, he makes a shitload of $$$$$ from meddling and judging.
 
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mandrill

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Can you give an example of a "heavily religious pseudo legal argument" that he's made.
I don't mean an opinion, but an actual legal argument.
I like Peterson but I'm not religious.
Is it possible that I can agree with something he says because it's rational, even if it might be religiously motivated
while I am an atheist?
I would have to go look up his cases and comment on them and that's just too much work.
 

mandrill

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He didn't get arrested at the demo.

He had been told the conditions of coming back to school now that his suspension was over.
Those conditions included that he was fine to come back to the morning classes, but his afternoon classes (which included the trans kids he had beef with/had beef with him) he would take in study hall, with support from his teachers and the school to help with the fact he would be missing the in-class interaction.

He refused to obey those conditions, so the school told him not to come back or he would be considered to be trespassing.

He then claimed he really wanted his education and deserved to be allowed to go to his classes.
So he skipped the morning classes (you know, the ones that wouldn't cause any problems) entirely, and showed up with a camera crew to go to the afternoon classes (you know, the ones he wasn't supposed to go to) and got himself escorted off the premises for trespassing.
Sounds like quite a little "Jordan Peterson in Training"!
 
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