Offside: The Harold Ballard Story
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Who would have thought Shack would have devoted so much time to me! I'm truly honoured, Thank you. It's quite touching.
Your dedication to past posts also reflects a great level of focus and grit. You are always welcome to accept that position at the Market & Research Department where I'm sure you'll wildly thrive, if not doing so already.
This is all very simple at the end of the day: It's just as much fun to watch the team you hate lose as it to watch the team you love win. "56 years" is just simple math that doesn't even require a calculator. It doesn't need to referred to as "a long" time. This is sports, that's the fun of it.
BTW, I love "For Whom the Bell Doth Troll". Were you paraphrasing Hemingway or did you come up with it all on your own? I do hope it was all yours. I would be disappointed other wise.
In terms of the Orient, you would be correct in regards to geographical reference, in particular to rugs, lamps or decorations.
Using the word "Oriental" in reference to a human being is something only an old coot like Ballard would say with his clear Xenophobic views. I'm sure we are all glad to see that antediluvian generation fade away before our eyes. It brought nothing but generational pain and cultural division.
So, here's hoping for at least another 56 years of TML futility, if all goes well
. Or will "a long" time suffice?With regards and in the spirit of paraphrasing: You may say I'm a "hater", but I'm not the only one....
Well, the question is about the Leafs having 2 generational talents. By definition, they only come around every generation or so (20 years), so they are rare. TBH, out of the 4 I mentioned, maybe Frank was the closest. The other 3 were excellent but it was mainly hard work and there were other players who were better.
Hull, Orr, Lafleur, Gretz, Mario, Sid, McD and Matthews may be the only true generational talents in the last 60 years, so it's difficult for a team to get 1, let alone 2 at the same time.
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Who would have thought Shack would have devoted so much time to me! I'm truly honoured, Thank you. It's quite touching.
Your dedication to past posts also reflects a great level of focus and grit. You are always welcome to accept that position at the Market & Research Department where I'm sure you'll wildly thrive, if not doing so already.
This is all very simple at the end of the day: It's just as much fun to watch the team you hate lose as it to watch the team you love win. "56 years" is just simple math that doesn't even require a calculator. It doesn't need to referred to as "a long" time. This is sports, that's the fun of it.
BTW, I love "For Whom the Bell Doth Troll". Were you paraphrasing Hemingway or did you come up with it all on your own? I do hope it was all yours. I would be disappointed other wise.
In terms of the Orient, you would be correct in regards to geographical reference, in particular to rugs, lamps or decorations.
Using the word "Oriental" in reference to a human being is something only an old coot like Ballard would say with his clear Xenophobic views. I'm sure we are all glad to see that antediluvian generation fade away before our eyes. It brought nothing but generational pain and cultural division.
So, here's hoping for at least another 56 years of TML futility, if all goes well . Or will "a long" time suffice?
With regards and in the spirit of paraphrasing: You may say I'm a "hater", but I'm not the only one....
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At least this post was honest as opposed to your disingenuous and coy attempt at "Oh, I hardly know anything and was just curious". I knew that was bullshit and called you on it and provided examples.
Maybe it takes you longer, but it only took me 15 seconds to type in your name and Leafs to find 3 pages of quotes by you where you are taking digs at and trolling Leaf fans, so I didn't waste too much time on you. Let's call it as it is, YOU HAVE BEEN TROLLING, and this was the same.
You have displayed your utter lack of sports knowledge over the years because sports provide zero interest to a man of your refinement because the physical prowess and brawn required doesn't have the esoteric attraction that a supposed and self-promoting man of the arts envisions himself. You usually embarrass yourself when you comment on sports. It goes against your bloated self-image.
FYI, the Orient is a recognized geographic area of the world and in and of itself does not refer to any physical characteristics common to the peoples of that area. It is just that, an area. It is the exact same as saying that someone is African. A word like negro, however via its' Greek and Roman derivations, is a term referring to someone who has a dark complexion. It is a racist term, even if not hateful like the "N" word is. Oriental is only, and can only have it's derivation and that is from a geographical term. Physical traits are not a factor. If a commonality of physical traits was referred to, then one could say that it's racist. Sadly for you that is not the case.
Who would have thought Shack would have devoted so much time to me! I'm truly honoured, Thank you. It's quite touching.
Your dedication to past posts also reflects a great level of focus and grit. You are always welcome to accept that position at the Market & Research Department where I'm sure you'll wildly thrive, if not doing so already.
This is all very simple at the end of the day: It's just as much fun to watch the team you hate lose as it to watch the team you love win. "56 years" is just simple math that doesn't even require a calculator. It doesn't need to referred to as "a long" time. This is sports, that's the fun of it.
BTW, I love "For Whom the Bell Doth Troll". Were you paraphrasing Hemingway or did you come up with it all on your own? I do hope it was all yours. I would be disappointed other wise.
In terms of the Orient, you would be correct in regards to geographical reference, in particular to rugs, lamps or decorations.
Using the word "Oriental" in reference to a human being is something only an old coot like Ballard would say with his clear Xenophobic views. I'm sure we are all glad to see that antediluvian generation fade away before our eyes. It brought nothing but generational pain and cultural division.
So, here's hoping for at least another 56 years of TML futility, if all goes well
. Or will "a long" time suffice?With regards and in the spirit of paraphrasing: You may say I'm a "hater", but I'm not the only one....
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At least this post was honest as opposed to your disingenuous and coy attempt at "Oh, I hardly know anything and was just curious". I knew that was bullshit and called you on it and provided examples.
Maybe it takes you longer, but it only took me 15 seconds to type in your name and Leafs to find 3 pages of quotes by you where you are taking digs at and trolling Leaf fans, so I didn't waste too much time on you. Let's call it as it is, YOU HAVE BEEN TROLLING, and this was the same.
You have displayed your utter lack of sports knowledge over the years because sports provide zero interest to a man of your refinement because the physical prowess and brawn required doesn't have the esoteric attraction that a supposed and self-promoting man of the arts envisions himself. You usually embarrass yourself when you comment on sports. It goes against your bloated self-image.
FYI, the Orient is a recognized geographic area of the world and in and of itself does not refer to any physical characteristics common to the peoples of that area. It is just that, an area. It is the exact same as saying that someone is African. A word like negro, however via its' Greek and Roman derivations, is a term referring to someone who has a dark complexion. It is a racist term, even if not hateful like the "N" word is. Oriental is only, and can only have it's derivation and that is from a geographical term. Physical traits are not a factor. If a commonality of physical traits was referred to, then one could say that it's racist. Sadly for you that is not the case.
I think that's why Wendel Clark was so popular...give it his all, lots of pride, heart for an organization that was a disaster from top to bottom.
I would think that the guy who is going to end up scoring more goals than anyone in NHL history would also be considered a generational talent.
Another thread where I need popcorn 
Off the rails quickly
Being of the vintage to watch the leafs in the early 70's as a kid & i enjoyed the documentary. Learned a few new things & reconfirmed many of what I knew already. Players gave their side. Harold was the rich owner that wanted the spotlight. Biggst difference between him & Grapes was 1 was a rich dinosaur owner craved the spotlight while the other was just a dinosaur who craved the spotlight. Both however have hearts of gold towards charity & put lots of $$$ towards various charities.
Now back to the documentary
Off the rails quickly
Being of the vintage to watch the leafs in the early 70's as a kid & i enjoyed the documentary. Learned a few new things & reconfirmed many of what I knew already. Players gave their side. Harold was the rich owner that wanted the spotlight. Biggst difference between him & Grapes was 1 was a rich dinosaur owner craved the spotlight while the other was just a dinosaur who craved the spotlight. Both however have hearts of gold towards charity & put lots of $$$ towards various charities.
Now back to the documentary
About time Canucks fans (like Jason Priestley) get a taste of Harold Ballard type of mismanagement. LOL!
It's truly amazing how much misery a single man brought to millions of people.
Stephan Brunt kind of summed it up the best when he basically said how Ballard could have remembered as a hero and icon, but instead he's remembered as penny pinching miserable old bastard that didn't give a fuck about anybody other then King Clancy. Now that I typed this, I do find it odd how he did a bunch of philanthropy work that he didn't want anyone to know about.
Stephan Brunt kind of summed it up the best when he basically said how Ballard could have remembered as a hero and icon, but instead he's remembered as penny pinching miserable old bastard that didn't give a fuck about anybody other then King Clancy. Now that I typed this, I do find it odd how he did a bunch of philanthropy work that he didn't want anyone to know about.
Mingia, I've decome a pathetic old fart. Why am I posting on this pointless thread when Logan's Run is on TCM?
When he put MLSE under hi thumb, Richard Peddie fired all the Pat Quinn loyalists without replacing them. Let's look at the Leafs 1st round draft picks while he was The All Highest.
2004 None
2005 Tuuka Rask
2006 Jiri Tlust
2007 None
2008 Luke Schen
2009 Nazem Kadri
When he put MLSE under hi thumb, Richard Peddie fired all the Pat Quinn loyalists without replacing them. Let's look at the Leafs 1st round draft picks while he was The All Highest.
2004 None
2005 Tuuka Rask
2006 Jiri Tlust
2007 None
2008 Luke Schen
2009 Nazem Kadri
At least this post was honest as opposed to your disingenuous and coy attempt at "Oh, I hardly know anything and was just curious". I knew that was bullshit and called you on it and provided examples.[QUOTE="Don Draper, post: 7790443, member: 142529"]
Who would have thought Shack would have devoted so much time to me! I'm truly honoured, Thank you. It's quite touching.
Your dedication to past posts also reflects a great level of focus and grit. You are always welcome to accept that position at the Market & Research Department where I'm sure you'll wildly thrive, if not doing so already.
This is all very simple at the end of the day: It's just as much fun to watch the team you hate lose as it to watch the team you love win. "56 years" is just simple math that doesn't even require a calculator. It doesn't need to referred to as "a long" time. This is sports, that's the fun of it.
BTW, I love "For Whom the Bell Doth Troll". Were you paraphrasing Hemingway or did you come up with it all on your own? I do hope it was all yours. I would be disappointed other wise.
In terms of the Orient, you would be correct in regards to geographical reference, in particular to rugs, lamps or decorations.
Using the word "Oriental" in reference to a human being is something only an old coot like Ballard would say with his clear Xenophobic views. I'm sure we are all glad to see that antediluvian generation fade away before our eyes. It brought nothing but generational pain and cultural division.
So, here's hoping for at least another 56 years of TML futility, if all goes well
With regards and in the spirit of paraphrasing: You may say I'm a "hater", but I'm not the only one....
Maybe it takes you longer, but it only took me 15 seconds to type in your name and Leafs to find 3 pages of quotes by you where you are taking digs at and trolling Leaf fans, so I didn't waste too much time on you. Let's call it as it is, YOU HAVE BEEN TROLLING, and this was the same.
You have displayed your utter lack of sports knowledge over the years because sports provide zero interest to a man of your refinement because the physical prowess and brawn required doesn't have the esoteric attraction that a supposed and self-promoting man of the arts envisions himself. You usually embarrass yourself when you comment on sports. It goes against your bloated self-image.
FYI, the Orient is a recognized geographic area of the world and in and of itself does not refer to any physical characteristics common to the peoples of that area. It is just that, an area. It is the exact same as saying that someone is African. A word like negro, however via its' Greek and Roman derivations, is a term referring to someone who has a dark complexion. It is a racist term, even if not hateful like the "N" word is. Oriental is only, and can only have it's derivation and that is from a geographical term. Physical traits are not a factor. If a commonality of physical traits was referred to, then one could say that it's racist. Sadly for you that is not the case.
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I'd just like to clear up any confusion here. It seems like you thought I was trying to be "disingenuous or coy" about my disdain for the TML. Let me apologize if I wasn't clear in the past: I DESPISE THE TORONTO MAPLE LEAVES (sic). As well as I despise the Atlanta Braves and Real Madrid FC. The joy at watching these three teams lose is equal to watching the teams I love win. What you call "Trolling" I just call joy. This joy for me has now lasted for 56 years and I sincerely hope for many more years to come. In regards to this thread, Ballard has a lot to do with that futility.
I know that your generation sees nothing wrong in terms of the using the word "Oriental" when referring to a human being instead of a lamp or a rug. Just like once upon a time "Jap" was used in the common vernacular. The term is still heard in films up to the 1980's. In 2016 Obama signed a bill eliminating the words "Negro" and "Oriental" from federal laws. That signing says a lot. It's totally your prerogative to use the word in your personal life, understandable. You see nothing wrong with it. Hopefully, with the humanity you have within you, you'll know that Asian people hear that word the same way Latinos hear the word "wetback" and you might excercise discretion and choose to not use the word in their presence. You don't have to take it from me. Hear it from an Asian person themselves:
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I'd just like to clear up any confusion here. It seems like you thought I was trying to be "disingenuous or coy" about my disdain for the TML. Let me apologize if I wasn't clear in the past: I DESPISE THE TORONTO MAPLE LEAVES (sic). As well as I despise the Atlanta Braves and Real Madrid FC. The joy at watching these three teams lose is equal to watching the teams I love win. What you call "Trolling" I just call joy. This joy for me has now lasted for 56 years and I sincerely hope for many more years to come. In regards to this thread, Ballard has a lot to do with that futility.
I know that your generation sees nothing wrong in terms of the using the word "Oriental" when referring to a human being instead of a lamp or a rug. Just like once upon a time "Jap" was used in the common vernacular. The term is still heard in films up to the 1980's. In 2016 Obama signed a bill eliminating the words "Negro" and "Oriental" from federal laws. That signing says a lot. It's totally your prerogative to use the word in your personal life, understandable. You see nothing wrong with it. Hopefully, with the humanity you have within you, you'll know that Asian people hear that word the same way Latinos hear the word "wetback" and you might excercise discretion and choose to not use the word in their presence. You don't have to take it from me. Hear it from an Asian person themselves:
His premise is wrong. Why does Oriental only apply to inanimate things? Who made up this rule? Where is it carved in stone? African can apply to people or things, i.e. African American. Why can't Oriental as well?
We've had prior discussions on this topic and since then, just about every Asian/Oriental I've met, I ask if the term Oriental is offensive. Not one has said that it is.
As per the Leafs, feel free to go ahead and despise as much as you want. It's your right. But once again, in the above post, you were very coy and feigning total ignorance of their past, which I've shown is false. As such that is an example of trolling.
Regardless, IMO, we've spent enough time derailing this thread and should allow it to carry on. (I know. I was the one that started the indiscretion.)
Usually a relief when your teams prevail and pure joy when the despised loseWho would have thought Shack would have devoted so much time to me! I'm truly honoured, Thank you. It's quite touching.
Your dedication to past posts also reflects a great level of focus and grit. You are always welcome to accept that position at the Market & Research Department where I'm sure you'll wildly thrive, if not doing so already.
This is all very simple at the end of the day: It's just as much fun to watch the team you hate lose as it to watch the team you love win. "56 years" is just simple math that doesn't even require a calculator. It doesn't need to referred to as "a long" time. This is sports, that's the fun of it.
BTW, I love "For Whom the Bell Doth Troll". Were you paraphrasing Hemingway or did you come up with it all on your own? I do hope it was all yours. I would be disappointed other wise.
In terms of the Orient, you would be correct in regards to geographical reference, in particular to rugs, lamps or decorations.
Using the word "Oriental" in reference to a human being is something only an old coot like Ballard would say with his clear Xenophobic views. I'm sure we are all glad to see that antediluvian generation fade away before our eyes. It brought nothing but generational pain and cultural division.
So, here's hoping for at least another 56 years of TML futility, if all goes well
With regards and in the spirit of paraphrasing: You may say I'm a "hater", but I'm not the only one....
Hard to disagree with those pairs. But, as great as they were, they never led the league in scoring...
So, I watched the doc. It was pretty good. There were things I forgot about, like the WHA fiasco...I mean, Dave Keon should have stayed a Leaf for life, and they let Bernie Parent walk away for nothing. And of course the idiots Ballard hired to replace competent folks like Jim Gregory and Roger Neilson...Punch Imlach??? WTF....I still remember when they traded MacDonald and then Sittler...painful.
I hold the Leafs in disdain but I don't despise them. I DESPISE BARCELONA FC, degenerate whiners always looking to influence the referee in their favour. Compared to them, Real Madrid are a class act. Barca fans attempted to intimidate Inter fans, allowing only 600 of them into Camp Nu. Compare that to Barca fans getting 1/4 of the seatings at San Siro. Argentina showed their class after winning the Slaughterhouse WC, I DESPISE MESSI. 6500 South Asians died in the construction of the Qatar WC, the death toll among Africans has yet to be announced.
Like Erling Haaland and Victor Osimhen, Roberta Lewandowski became another victim of THE BEAST...and I like all three players. Francesco (The Beast) Acerbi, from twice cancer survivor to the most feared defender in the world.
His premise is wrong. Why does Oriental only apply to inanimate things? Who made up this rule? Where is it carved in stone? African can apply to people or things, i.e. African American. Why can't Oriental as well?
We've had prior discussions on this topic and since then, just about every Asian/Oriental I've met, I ask if the term Oriental is offensive. Not one has said that it is.[/QUOTE]
He is not wrong, he is absolutely correct. The term "Oriental" is dehumanizing to a person. I know you can't see that and never will. A lamp, a rug and a person are all the same to you. Not to them.
Thankfully, your generation becomes more extinct year after year until this won't be an issue anymore.
