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Harvard Cancels Fellowship for Ex Human Rights Watch Chief Because He Criticized Israel

Frankfooter

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the conflict will never end until Hamas cease to exist...until Palestinians themselves get rid of Hamas...but you wouldn't want that i'm sure...
Hamas was democratically elected. Are you going to take care of all Hamas members and all those who voted for them?
Latest polls say Hamas would get 54% of the vote should they ever hold an election, are you going to have to make 54% of Palestinians 'cease to exist'?
(They need new elections but Abbas is a corrupt moron)

De-escalate.
End apartheid or end the occupation.
That's the only way to end the violence.
 

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Corruption is a different issue and the Israeli, PA and Hamas governments all have major issues.
This is about ending apartheid and Israel's occupation and ending violence.
 

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Ah, you mean the native population?
The natives you call 'terrorists'?
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Hezbollah,. Hamas, and PIJ are designated terrorist entities. At least that's what Canada says because those groups purposefully target civilians for their racist political agenda.

Fucking pathetic that you refuse to admit that simply because you have a huge obsession with Jews.
 

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Hamas was democratically elected. ...
Interesting. 5% of Israelis vote for a racist and you use that to condemn Israel's existence but almost 50% of Palestinians voting for the racist terrorists in Hamas and you use that to condemn Israel.

Wow that's stupid.


p.s. Hamas is nearly as corrupt as the PA. The only reason you prefer Hamas is they are still committed to removing the Jewish presence.
 

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No, you are.

As Mohammed Fadel said, it's pretty fucked up racist to assume that everything is Jews vs. Muslims.
Its clearly not, since 25% of US Jews say Israel is apartheid.
Its a right wing left/left wing, ultra religious vs secular problem.

Not according to Canada or any liberal democracy.
Please list the investigations into war crimes in Israel/Palestine by Canada or other liberal democracies.
What? Oh yes, they rely on human rights organizations like Amnesty and HRW.

Except when they condemn Palestinians terrorist factions where you argue that those groups are wrong.
Nope, I fully support investigations for both sides based on those reports.
You are the one that refuses to say both sides should be held to the law, you are the one defending apartheid and an illegal occupation.
I am the one calling for both sides to investigated.

Interesting. 5% of Israelis vote for a racist and you use that to condemn Israel's existence but almost 50% of Palestinians voting for the racist terrorists in Hamas and you use that to condemn Israel.

Wow that's stupid.


p.s. Hamas is nearly as corrupt as the PA. The only reason you prefer Hamas is they are still committed to removing the Jewish presence.
Ah, back to trying to call all Palestinians 'terrorists' through calling Hamas 'terrorists' and thus to justify treating them as subhuman under apartheid rule.
Both Israel and Hamas commit acts definable as 'terrorism', Israel commits way more and even more daily.
If you cared about terrorism you'd join me in the call for both sides to be investigated to stop the violence.
Instead you call one side 'terrorists' in order to justify 'terrorism' by the side you identify with.

Its that same old racist battle, 'they are evil and we are moral'. We've seen this story through the ages but Israel is the last of the 19th century colonial states still trying to steal land from the native population they call 'terrorists'.

If you want to end the violence, end the occupation or end apartheid.
If you want to end the violence, and I don't think you do.

But as long as you continue to slander Palestinians, deny they deserve basic human rights or say they are 'cockroaches' or 'terrorists' this will continue.

Stand with Palestinians and liberal Jews who value equality and stand against the violence.
 

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Meanwhile,. Arab states send billions to US universities. Who believes they aren't trying to influence academia?





The people screaming about "academic freedom" to force a university to hire a specific person known for his bias seem very unconcerned about the billions that are being sent to universities with the obvious intent to influence the academic direction of the university.





While Ken Roth and The Nation are trying to stoke outrage that Roth was not hired for a fellowship at Harvard University, blaming rich Jewish donors for the decision without any actual evidence, foreign money pours into US universities with the obvious intention of influencing academia - and more.

Here's a long forgotten incident. In 1989, then-governor Bill Clinton lobbied Saudis to donate to the University of Arkansas. He even met with the Saudi ambassador to the US in 1991. But the Saudis didn't give any money to the university - until Clinton became the Democratic nominee for President in 1992. And only weeks after he became president, the Saudis gave the university $20 million to establish the King Fahd Middle East Studies Center.

Early efforts by oil-rich Arab kingdoms to donate to prestigious universities in the US were heavy handed, and most universities rejected them because of their demands that the money be used in specific, illegal ways. Over time, they moderated their demands - but the attempt to influence is still quite obvious. As Mitchell Bard writes in a detailed article on the topic:



The Department of Education began to crack down on universities not properly reporting their foreign donations in 2020, under the Trump administration. It created a website where universities must report the country sources of such donations, although it doesn't publicize the specific donors due to privacy issues.
Although it is unclear now what percentage of total donations have been reported (many retroactively to the early 2000s), the website currently lists these donation totals to Harvard alone:


Egypt - $44M
Iran(!) - $22K
Jordan - $622K
Kuwait - $22M
Lebanon - $2.5M
Malaysia - $21M
Morocco - $335K
Oman - $1.7M
Pakistan - $1.5M
"State of Palestine"[!] - $1.6M
Qatar - $16M
Saudi Arabia - $61M
Tunisia - $700K
Turkey - $28M
UAE - $80M
The database details some $10 billion in donations from Arab Gulf countries to US universities, many of them earmarked for specific projects. And, as the article I quoted above details, there is plenty that is not reported here.
Harvard, Yale, Georgetown and other schools are awash in Arab funds. The DoE database lists that Qatari donors alone gave Cornell nearly $1.8 billion!
Who can even pretend that the purpose of these funds is not to influence the universities, their faculties, their students and politicians that have these institutions in their districts?
To be fair, much of the Arab money is earmarked to departments with no political focus, with much being spent for science nd medicine. But a significant amount does go towards Arab studies which are almost reflexively anti-Israel. And sometimes the Arab money is not used to create an anti-Israel chair or department, but to lavishly fund an existing anti-Israel department - after all, there are plenty of anti-Israel academics who don't need Arab money to fund their hate, but they welcome that money to promote it further.


The people screaming about "academic freedom" to force a university to hire a specific person known for his bias seem very unconcerned about the billions that are being sent to universities with the obvious intent to influence the academic direction of the university.


Meanwhile,. Arab states send billions to US universities. Who believes they aren't trying to influence academia? ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News
If Arabs wanted to influence everything about universities in the US, all, they have to do is 100% fund them.....and they can.....
 

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Its clearly not, since 25% of US Jews say Israel is apartheid.
Its a right wing left/left wing, ultra religious vs secular problem.
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And you keep pretending that Israel is a extremist religious state (despite the huge secular population) while ignoring that Hamas is actually an extremist state that wants an Islamic Caliphate free of Jews.



Do you realize how stupid it sounds when you keep claiming it's racist to say Hamas is a terrorist group?
 

Frankfooter

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And you keep pretending that Israel is a extremist religious state (despite the huge secular population) while ignoring that Hamas is actually an extremist state that wants an Islamic Caliphate free of Jews
I agree that Israel as as much an extremist religious group as Hamas.
That's why I support both sides being investigated.
That's why you don't.

Do you realize how stupid it sounds when you keep claiming it's racist to say Hamas is a terrorist group?
Do you realize how stupid it sounds when you make such blatant lies about what I post?
I say its racist to do as Andrewx does, and post only demeaning posts about Palestinians trying to conflate them all as 'terrorists' by only ever talking about Hamas.
In every single post you use the word 'Hamas' instead of 'Palestinian' because then you can call them all terrorists.
That's what is racist.

Shall we do a word count of how many times you use the word 'Hamas' and 'terrorist' vs the word 'Palestinian'?
 

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I agree that Israel as as much an extremist religious group as Hamas.
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Sorry but as you pointed out, nearly half of Palestinians voted for the racist terrorists in Hamas (decades ago when the Palestinians pretended to be in a democracy) while less than 5% supported Ben Gvir's party.

You keep trying to claim Israel is evil because a few percent of Israelis voted for a racist while at the same time proudly supporting Hamas because they were once elected.

And you wonder why you get called out on a asinine level of double standard (just like you calling me racist for admitting Hamas is a terrorist groups while routinely trying to cast all of Israel as terrorists).
 

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Sorry but as you pointed out, nearly half of Palestinians voted for the racist terrorists in Hamas (decades ago when the Palestinians pretended to be in a democracy) while less than 5% supported Ben Gvir's party.

You keep trying to claim Israel is evil because a few percent of Israelis voted for a racist while at the same time proudly supporting Hamas because they were once elected.

And you wonder why you get called out on a asinine level of double standard (just like you calling me racist for admitting Hamas is a terrorist groups while routinely trying to cast all of Israel as terrorists).
Ok, basketcase, what percentage votes does it take before you call an entire government and people 'terrorist'?
I expect its a simple formula of 'whatever Hamas received' as long as its more than what the Kahane/Kach party got.
Of course there are only really two choices these days for Palestinians while there are how many parties in Israel? Its a good metric for you since you know that 1 of 2 parties will always get more votes than 1 of 10.

You certainly wouldn't want to judge the two by who kills more civilians, since its 150 to 10 from last year.
 

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Ok, basketcase, what percentage votes does it take before you call an entire government and people 'terrorist'?
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You happily do it about Jews and to justify attacks on Jews.

Hamas are a racist religious extremists terrorist entity and you love making excuses for them and the huge support they have from Palestinians claiming that decades ago they were (sort of) elected. How often have you criticized Hamas for racism, rejection of peace, and promotion of violence? Ever?

But at the same time you try to claim that a fringe Israeli politician being racist makes all of Israel racist terrorists. Fucking joke pal.
 

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You happily do it about Jews and to justify attacks on Jews.

Hamas are a racist religious extremists terrorist entity and you love making excuses for them and the huge support they have from Palestinians claiming that decades ago they were (sort of) elected. How often have you criticized Hamas for racism, rejection of peace, and promotion of violence? Ever?

But at the same time you try to claim that a fringe Israeli politician being racist makes all of Israel racist terrorists. Fucking joke pal.
Oh, you did it again.
Called all of Hamas 'religious extremist terrorists'.

Sorry dude, but ruling through apartheid makes you the king of racist extremists.
Using the wife beater defence that they caused the apartheid with their hateful attitudes just won't cut it.

Support BDS and support ending apartheid.
Stop trying to call everyone 'extremists', 'racists', 'terrorists' or whatever your slur is today.
Start admitting that Palestinians are people, just like Israeli Jews.

Only racist scum think self defence includes attacking civilians who were not engaged in acts of violence.
Just stop defending attacks on civilians, apartheid and settler colonialism.
Please.
 
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