Its not my agenda.
Just answer this.
What do gay and trans kids do if their parents won't listen or let them choose their own sexual identification?
Maine School Social Worker Secretly Gender-Transitioned 13-Year-Old Girl with Chest binder to flatten her breast.
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Just answer this.
What do gay and trans kids do if their parents won't listen or let them choose their own sexual identification?
If gay and trans kids should be allowed to "transform" at a young age...should we start jailing young crime offenders? There's a reason why restrictions are in place...because the decision making at a young age is highly questionable...if we're allowed to be behind a wheel at 16 take alcohol at 19...maybe that's when kids are allowed to make decisions if they want to "transform"...
'Transform'?
This was never about medical transition, or even hormone therapy. One of which is reversible but both of which require parental consent as they are medical.
This thread was about a kid getting private counselling at school, a place where they can talk if they can't talk to their parents.
What do gay and trans kids do if their parents won't listen or let them choose their own sexual identification?
It needs to be discussed between school, kid and parents...you can't leave out one party to it...counseling doesn't work if you leave one party in the dark...
That wasn't the issue. You're position was, and is, that an underage child can be counseled and transitioned without parents involvement. All based on the child's rights as a person, on the presupposition that the father may be a right wing nut, abusive, etc.
There's an age of consent for underage children re drinking, driving, voting, entering into legally binding contracts, having sex with older people, staying in school, etc.
But something as serious as transitioning is exempt and off the board. Hmm, that's interesting.
Government can administer hormone blockers to underage children against parents wishes but the government will virtually shut down an economy but not compel you to get your vac shot despite all the dangers and recommendations from top viral specialists.
Hmm, that's interesting.
Wait. Are you now saying the child wasn't transitioned behind the back of the parent for no reason whatsoever?
Ok, if I misunderstood that, I apologize.
What do you think happened here and why are you so upset about it, then?
If you want to characterize interpreting something as being based on one's feelings, then sure.
I didn't try to find anything last time.
I just asked you above.
I had thought you believed that the social worker transitioned the child behind the parents' back, given who you were supporting in this thread with likes and how you were engaging when you finally jumped in with
If you actually don't think that, feel free to say what you think did happen.
Because the "here is an outrage clip!" tactic is so sad and predictable as to be laughable.
Nothing in that article says that she transitioned or detransitioned without the knowledge of her parents.
I wouldn't inflict a Tucker Carlson clip on anyone without a good reason, but I am sure there are more clips of her talking about her experience.
Why wouldn't people want to show that?
Understanding that transition may not be right for you and that there are people who detransition is important as people weigh what is important to them.
You don't want people rushing into this kind of thing willy nilly.
Which confirms you lied because you said it was in response to something very specific he did.
You can't be trusted to have a genuine discussion with.
You just keep making shit up until you get called on it.
And you still won't answer why you put the laugh emoji on the post showing the little girl rubbing the drag queen's genital area. This is the third time I'm asking.
You think that's funny? Exposing kids to sexualized drag shows and having them rub their genital areas.
Unless you think this is a child's personal right that shouldn't be infringed upon.
Let's have it.
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What are you babbling about?
No one is saying that parents should be cut out of these decisions as a default basis.
People are saying that there may well be a reason in some cases where a child wouldn't talk to their parents about it and that a social worker or institution would be right to support that.
Should that be the default? Are "parents the enemy" and so some sort of agenda to convince kids to transition without ever letting parents interfere must be implemented?
No.
No one believes that.
If you really believe this, stop engaging with me.
And I have answered every time.
You just don't seem to be able to process the answer.
This seems to be a recurring problem you have.
I put a laughing emoji because the "here is an outrage clip for you" is a tired tactic and I don't take it seriously.
That it works really well on you isn't my problem.
Define what you mean by 'transitioning'.
If its medical/hormonal, I agree with you.
If its someone saying 'I think I'm a X in a Y body' that's different. Let them trying wearing skirts or pants and see.
Nobody is suggesting hormones or blockers without parental consent, nobody here and nobody in any other threads.
I see we have reached the "make violent threats against them" portion of the right wing debate playbook.
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Seems we have a bit more of a statement from the school board now.
Speaking of which, the mom and her lawyers seem to have switched tactics now that they have media attention, and look to be aiming bigger.
The idea that parental rights to parent their child are in the constitution has a long history, although it is funny that these are based on the same "substantive due process" reasoning that the Supreme Court just said was bullshit in Dobbs.
(That's ok, though, no one expects Scalia and the others to be consistent in their legal reasoning.)
The school looks at the state law and sees a different set of rights here.
It seems you have exactly the set up we said was the issue from the start - the child has a right to privacy and the parent has a right to parent - how do you balance those rights when in conflict?
That said, I'm not liking that the parents meeting where they were going to present their safety plan in light of the repeated bomb threats was cancelled due to "unforseen circumstances" - that doesn't sound good.
The right wing embrace of violence to get their way politically remains a problem.
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GSB Bomb Threats Connected to ‘False Narrative,’ School Committee Says
For the second time in 23 days, Great Salt Bay Community School in Damariscotta received an emailed bomb threat hoax that forced the closure of the school.
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Seems we have a bit more of a statement from the school board now.
That's probably true so long as there are repeated threats to litigate.
Speaking of which, the mom and her lawyers seem to have switched tactics now that they have media attention, and look to be aiming bigger.
I was never sure why she thought the Human Rights Commission was the right venue, but saying this is about due process rights does make some sense.
The idea that parental rights to parent their child are in the constitution has a long history, although it is funny that these are based on the same "substantive due process" reasoning that the Supreme Court just said was bullshit in Dobbs.
(That's ok, though, no one expects Scalia and the others to be consistent in their legal reasoning.)
The school looks at the state law and sees a different set of rights here.
So we'll see how that all shakes out.
It seems you have exactly the set up we said was the issue from the start - the child has a right to privacy and the parent has a right to parent - how do you balance those rights when in conflict?
That said, I'm not liking that the parents meeting where they were going to present their safety plan in light of the repeated bomb threats was cancelled due to "unforseen circumstances" - that doesn't sound good.
The right wing embrace of violence to get their way politically remains a problem.
GSB Parents Meeting Canceled
The Great Salt Bay Community School parent information session scheduled for Wednesday, Jan. 18 has been canceled.
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We have been way past the threats of violence now for a few years and just stuck with actual violence and laws trying to curtail LGBTQ freedoms.I see we have reached the "make violent threats against them" portion of the right wing debate playbook.
GSB Bomb Threats Connected to ‘False Narrative,’ School Committee Says
For the second time in 23 days, Great Salt Bay Community School in Damariscotta received an emailed bomb threat hoax that forced the closure of the school.
Seems we have a bit more of a statement from the school board now.
That's probably true so long as there are repeated threats to litigate.
Speaking of which, the mom and her lawyers seem to have switched tactics now that they have media attention, and look to be aiming bigger.
I was never sure why she thought the Human Rights Commission was the right venue, but saying this is about due process rights does make some sense.
The idea that parental rights to parent their child are in the constitution has a long history, although it is funny that these are based on the same "substantive due process" reasoning that the Supreme Court just said was bullshit in Dobbs.
(That's ok, though, no one expects Scalia and the others to be consistent in their legal reasoning.)
The school looks at the state law and sees a different set of rights here.
So we'll see how that all shakes out.
It seems you have exactly the set up we said was the issue from the start - the child has a right to privacy and the parent has a right to parent - how do you balance those rights when in conflict?
That said, I'm not liking that the parents meeting where they were going to present their safety plan in light of the repeated bomb threats was cancelled due to "unforseen circumstances" - that doesn't sound good.
The right wing embrace of violence to get their way politically remains a problem.
GSB Parents Meeting Canceled
The Great Salt Bay Community School parent information session scheduled for Wednesday, Jan. 18 has been canceled.
LOL, I told you this, but you brushed it off. Now you're trying to hedge yourself.
I acknowledge the error.LOL, I told you this, but you brushed it off. Now you're trying to hedge yourself.
I'm so used to people claiming shit is constitutional when it is not, and you quoted the 14th without any follow up, which is usually a sign of utter bullshit.
So I looked into it further and while it really doesn't look like she has a good case, there is substantive due process history saying you can't take a child away from a parent without due process.
Stretching that definition of "parental rights" to include "you have to give me the notes of any meetings my kid had" is a stretch, but it seems I would be in error to assume this court isn't crazy enough to rule that a parent has an absolute right to control their child at all times. (At this point, I think it isn't off the table for the Supreme Court to rule that a child is literally the property of the father.)
No, it's just you're part of the agenda. It's not that difficult.
You're not understanding, this is not about protecting children, it's about protecting themselves. If there's no evidence against you, there's no case against you. The kids are used as sort of a cat's-paw.
Like I said this all breaks down to the judge. If it's a Democrat Judge he won't even consider this because it goes against the LGBT agenda. If it's a Republican, it will at least be considered.
Entire Gender Industry Is Based On A Failed Study That Disproved Scientist’s Theory: Psychiatrist
Authored by Jan Jekielek and Masooma Haq via The Epoch Times,
Child and adolescent psychiatrist Miriam Grossman, who has been a mental health professional for 40 years, said the gender industry is built on the lies of one troubled psychologist.
With schools teaching sex and gender ideology beginning in kindergarten, the Biden administration encouraging early medical treatments for gender dysphoria, and social media influencers discussing the topic, a record number of adolescent girls believe they are transgender and are transitioning to live as males.
Concerned adults are sounding the alarm on the lack of scientific studies to support transgender medical treatments that permanently alter a young person’s physiology and leave their mental health issues unresolved.
Child and adolescent psychiatrist Miriam Grossman, who has been a mental health professional for 40 years, said the gender industry is built on the lies of one troubled psychologist.
“The person who came up with the theory was Dr. John Money, and hecame up with this idea that a person’s biology—their body, theirchromosomes—is completely separate from their feeling of whether theyare male or female,” Grossman said during a Sept. 23 interview for EpochTV’s “American Thought Leaders” program.
Grossman said the industry surrounding gender ideology—from gender clinics and hospitals to transgender pride flags and the emergence of a transgender civil rights movement—is based on a concept that was never proven to be true.
“In fact, the opposite was proven,” she said. “This whole concept of having an identity as male or female being completely separate from your biology has actually been proven incorrect by John Money’s experiment.”
Money was instrumental in establishing the first clinic to perform gender reassignment surgeries on children and adults at the Johns Hopkins Gender Identity Clinic.
In the 1960s, Money set out to prove his theory of gender identity to theworld, and the perfect case study showed up in his office, Grossman said. But instead, his theory was disproven, and it was later revealed that his gender theory came from a study that was seriously corrupted.
The Canadian Twins
Grossman told the story of Janet and Ron Reimer, a Canadian couple with twin boys who consulted Money in the mid-1960s after one of the twins, Bruce, suffered a botched circumcision as an 8-month-old that permanently disfigured his genitals.
After seeing Money speak on a TV program about his research, the parents thought their grievously injured son could—like Money was promoting—change the sex he was born with and live a happy life as a girl.
Money’s hypothesis was that humans are born with a blank slate in terms of gender.
“He told the parents that they must immediately change Bruce’s name to a girl’s name, put him in girl’s clothing, tell everybody that he’s a girl, and never, ever tell him the truth about his birth and what happened to him,” Grossman explained.
Money advised the parents to have Bruce castrated and for doctors to construct an elementary female genitalia for the boy, Grossman said. Bruce was renamed Brenda and raised as a girl.
However, after many years of being treated by Money, at about the age of 10 the twins refused to see him again. It was later revealed that Money sexually abused the twins during their appointments. Bruce was reportedly never happy as a girl and had masculine inclinations that disturbed him throughout his life.
When the parents finally revealed the truth to the twins as they were entering puberty, Bruce (who was living as Brenda at that time) chose to revert to living as a male and took the name David.
“We have to acknowledge the unbelievable arrogance of a professional high-standing academic—widely respected, accomplished—the arrogance that he had to exploit this family in order to hold them up as proof of his theory,” said Grossman.
Money received a slew of awards during his treatment of the twins, including 25 years of continuous funding from the National Institutes of Health, Grossman said.
“His ideas about gender were institutionalized, were immediately adopted within an entire field of medicine—within mental health, psychiatry—and outside of medicine as well,” she said.
Indoctrination
Children have been indoctrinated with Money’s gender ideology, and now most young people do not believe there is a fundamental connection between biology and gender, which Grossman said is troubling.
She cited a poll published in September by The New York Times which found that over 60 percent of respondents aged 30 and older said they believe gender is determined by a person’s biological sex at birth, but 61 percent of respondents aged 18 to 29 said they believed that gender identity is distinct from biological sex.
The different between the younger and older group is directly due to the spread of gender ideology, Grossman said. This is because children as young as 5 years old have been indoctrinated with Money’s gender ideology in schools.
Kids are repeatedly being told that gender identity is separate from biology and that one can choose one’s gender identity, and it’s being presented as fact in the same way children are taught that the capital of California is Sacramento, she said.
Children are being told that a person can choose their own gender and that “gender-affirming care” is available for them if they want to become a different sex.
The “care” starts with puberty blockers and later progresses to opposite sex hormones and finally sex reassignment surgeries, at which point there is no room for the children to change their minds, Grossman said.
Researchers at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee, published a study in JAMA Pediatrics (from the Journal of the American Medical Association) and reported that the number of gender-affirming chest surgeries performed in the United States on adolescents aged 13 to 17 years—the majority of which were elective mastectomies on girls—increased from 100 surgeries in 2016 to 489 surgeries in 2019, a difference of 389 percent.
Adolescents are constantly changing and trying to discover who they are, so allowing them to make a drastic change to their bodies during or before puberty is having a devastating impact on many young people and families, said Grossman.
Dutch Protocol Run Amok
Prior to the 1990s, the majority of those seeking medical treatment for gender dysphoria were men in their 30s and 40s, Grossman said. Doctors were finding that opposite-sex hormones and surgeries were less effective after puberty, so they thought if they started these treatments before puberty, the patient might have better outcomes in the sex change.
Researchers in Holland came up with a study that’s now referred to as the Dutch protocol. Children were only chosen to participate in the study if they had discomfort with their biological sex from an early age and their discomfort became worse when they reached puberty. They also could not have any other mental health issues.
“They took those kids and they put them on puberty blockers at age 12. And those puberty blockers had never been used before for that purpose, and to this day, puberty blockers are not licensed or FDA approved in any country to be used with gender dysphoria,” said Grossman. They are only approved for disorders or medical conditions like precocious puberty, she said.
The researchers then gave opposite-sex hormones to the 55 children in the study, and later the children could have surgeries if they wanted them. There were problems with this study, including the fact that there was no control group alongside the transitioning kids, said Grossman.
Grossman said there is a lot of evidence to suggest that if the kids who were uncomfortable with their sex at adolescence had been left alone, the majority of the cases of gender dysphoria would have resolved on their own after puberty.
“This Dutch protocol was immediately adopted in other countries, including in the U.S., as ‘this is the solution for these kids,’” said Grossman.
‘Gender Affirming Care’
The phrase “gender-affirming care” is a euphemism for radical medical experiments that are leaving patients with long-term physical health problems, and they don’t address the more important mental health issues these young people have, Grossman said.
“You’ll have to note, again, the manipulation of language and the Orwellian use of language, when the term ‘gender affirming’ is used. They’re experimenting on the body, and people are paying a massively high price for these medical experimentations,” she said.
“Gender-affirming care means that whatever the child comes up with in terms of their identity, no matter how old they are or what other conditions they may suffer from, that is their identity and we accept it. We affirm it. And we give them the treatment that they would like to get,” said Grossman.
President Joe Biden and Health and Human Services Assistant Secretary Dr. Rachel Levine are promoting these treatments, and the majority of U.S. professional organizations are backing it, leaving parents to fight an uphill battle should they oppose their child’s wishes to change their gender, said Grossman.
Further, there are not enough long-term studies regarding the impact of “gender-affirming care” on children, but there is evidence about the dangerous outcomes, including being left sterile and developing blood clots, heart attacks, cancers, kidney failure, and early menopause, said Grossman.
Even with all the adverse effects of “gender-affirming care,” the Biden administration is trying to mandate that all medical professionals participate and support children to get these types of treatments, Grossman said.
Authored by Jan Jekielek and Masooma Haq via The Epoch Times,
Child and adolescent psychiatrist Miriam Grossman, who has been a mental health professional for 40 years, said the gender industry is built on the lies of one troubled psychologist.
With schools teaching sex and gender ideology beginning in kindergarten, the Biden administration encouraging early medical treatments for gender dysphoria, and social media influencers discussing the topic, a record number of adolescent girls believe they are transgender and are transitioning to live as males.
Concerned adults are sounding the alarm on the lack of scientific studies to support transgender medical treatments that permanently alter a young person’s physiology and leave their mental health issues unresolved.
Child and adolescent psychiatrist Miriam Grossman, who has been a mental health professional for 40 years, said the gender industry is built on the lies of one troubled psychologist.
“The person who came up with the theory was Dr. John Money, and hecame up with this idea that a person’s biology—their body, theirchromosomes—is completely separate from their feeling of whether theyare male or female,” Grossman said during a Sept. 23 interview for EpochTV’s “American Thought Leaders” program.
Grossman said the industry surrounding gender ideology—from gender clinics and hospitals to transgender pride flags and the emergence of a transgender civil rights movement—is based on a concept that was never proven to be true.
“In fact, the opposite was proven,” she said. “This whole concept of having an identity as male or female being completely separate from your biology has actually been proven incorrect by John Money’s experiment.”
Money was instrumental in establishing the first clinic to perform gender reassignment surgeries on children and adults at the Johns Hopkins Gender Identity Clinic.
In the 1960s, Money set out to prove his theory of gender identity to theworld, and the perfect case study showed up in his office, Grossman said. But instead, his theory was disproven, and it was later revealed that his gender theory came from a study that was seriously corrupted.
The Canadian Twins
Grossman told the story of Janet and Ron Reimer, a Canadian couple with twin boys who consulted Money in the mid-1960s after one of the twins, Bruce, suffered a botched circumcision as an 8-month-old that permanently disfigured his genitals.
After seeing Money speak on a TV program about his research, the parents thought their grievously injured son could—like Money was promoting—change the sex he was born with and live a happy life as a girl.
Money’s hypothesis was that humans are born with a blank slate in terms of gender.
“He told the parents that they must immediately change Bruce’s name to a girl’s name, put him in girl’s clothing, tell everybody that he’s a girl, and never, ever tell him the truth about his birth and what happened to him,” Grossman explained.
Money advised the parents to have Bruce castrated and for doctors to construct an elementary female genitalia for the boy, Grossman said. Bruce was renamed Brenda and raised as a girl.
However, after many years of being treated by Money, at about the age of 10 the twins refused to see him again. It was later revealed that Money sexually abused the twins during their appointments. Bruce was reportedly never happy as a girl and had masculine inclinations that disturbed him throughout his life.
When the parents finally revealed the truth to the twins as they were entering puberty, Bruce (who was living as Brenda at that time) chose to revert to living as a male and took the name David.
“We have to acknowledge the unbelievable arrogance of a professional high-standing academic—widely respected, accomplished—the arrogance that he had to exploit this family in order to hold them up as proof of his theory,” said Grossman.
Money received a slew of awards during his treatment of the twins, including 25 years of continuous funding from the National Institutes of Health, Grossman said.
“His ideas about gender were institutionalized, were immediately adopted within an entire field of medicine—within mental health, psychiatry—and outside of medicine as well,” she said.
Indoctrination
Children have been indoctrinated with Money’s gender ideology, and now most young people do not believe there is a fundamental connection between biology and gender, which Grossman said is troubling.
She cited a poll published in September by The New York Times which found that over 60 percent of respondents aged 30 and older said they believe gender is determined by a person’s biological sex at birth, but 61 percent of respondents aged 18 to 29 said they believed that gender identity is distinct from biological sex.
The different between the younger and older group is directly due to the spread of gender ideology, Grossman said. This is because children as young as 5 years old have been indoctrinated with Money’s gender ideology in schools.
Kids are repeatedly being told that gender identity is separate from biology and that one can choose one’s gender identity, and it’s being presented as fact in the same way children are taught that the capital of California is Sacramento, she said.
Children are being told that a person can choose their own gender and that “gender-affirming care” is available for them if they want to become a different sex.
The “care” starts with puberty blockers and later progresses to opposite sex hormones and finally sex reassignment surgeries, at which point there is no room for the children to change their minds, Grossman said.
Researchers at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee, published a study in JAMA Pediatrics (from the Journal of the American Medical Association) and reported that the number of gender-affirming chest surgeries performed in the United States on adolescents aged 13 to 17 years—the majority of which were elective mastectomies on girls—increased from 100 surgeries in 2016 to 489 surgeries in 2019, a difference of 389 percent.
Adolescents are constantly changing and trying to discover who they are, so allowing them to make a drastic change to their bodies during or before puberty is having a devastating impact on many young people and families, said Grossman.
Dutch Protocol Run Amok
Prior to the 1990s, the majority of those seeking medical treatment for gender dysphoria were men in their 30s and 40s, Grossman said. Doctors were finding that opposite-sex hormones and surgeries were less effective after puberty, so they thought if they started these treatments before puberty, the patient might have better outcomes in the sex change.
Researchers in Holland came up with a study that’s now referred to as the Dutch protocol. Children were only chosen to participate in the study if they had discomfort with their biological sex from an early age and their discomfort became worse when they reached puberty. They also could not have any other mental health issues.
“They took those kids and they put them on puberty blockers at age 12. And those puberty blockers had never been used before for that purpose, and to this day, puberty blockers are not licensed or FDA approved in any country to be used with gender dysphoria,” said Grossman. They are only approved for disorders or medical conditions like precocious puberty, she said.
The researchers then gave opposite-sex hormones to the 55 children in the study, and later the children could have surgeries if they wanted them. There were problems with this study, including the fact that there was no control group alongside the transitioning kids, said Grossman.
Grossman said there is a lot of evidence to suggest that if the kids who were uncomfortable with their sex at adolescence had been left alone, the majority of the cases of gender dysphoria would have resolved on their own after puberty.
“This Dutch protocol was immediately adopted in other countries, including in the U.S., as ‘this is the solution for these kids,’” said Grossman.
‘Gender Affirming Care’
The phrase “gender-affirming care” is a euphemism for radical medical experiments that are leaving patients with long-term physical health problems, and they don’t address the more important mental health issues these young people have, Grossman said.
“You’ll have to note, again, the manipulation of language and the Orwellian use of language, when the term ‘gender affirming’ is used. They’re experimenting on the body, and people are paying a massively high price for these medical experimentations,” she said.
“Gender-affirming care means that whatever the child comes up with in terms of their identity, no matter how old they are or what other conditions they may suffer from, that is their identity and we accept it. We affirm it. And we give them the treatment that they would like to get,” said Grossman.
President Joe Biden and Health and Human Services Assistant Secretary Dr. Rachel Levine are promoting these treatments, and the majority of U.S. professional organizations are backing it, leaving parents to fight an uphill battle should they oppose their child’s wishes to change their gender, said Grossman.
Further, there are not enough long-term studies regarding the impact of “gender-affirming care” on children, but there is evidence about the dangerous outcomes, including being left sterile and developing blood clots, heart attacks, cancers, kidney failure, and early menopause, said Grossman.
Even with all the adverse effects of “gender-affirming care,” the Biden administration is trying to mandate that all medical professionals participate and support children to get these types of treatments, Grossman said.
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No one is telling you what you have to believe. Just that society including you cannot discriminate against someone or treat them in an intolerant manner just because you do not believe.
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