Jordan Peterson says Ontario psychologist licence may be suspended over public statements

[mitchell76]

JP's suicide tweet to a scientist was "you're free to leave at any point." Obviously not nearly as serious, as that whole Michelle Carter fiasco.


Dr Jordan B Peterson

@jordanbpeterson


You're free to leave at any point.
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Roger Palfree

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I disagree. Based on the record of human behaviour, we are already overpopulating this small world. Any arguments I have heard for supporting such a large human population completely overlook the huge loss of species and ecosystems resulting from our self-absorbed attention.

2:02 am · 3 Jan 2022 from Comox Valley A, British Columbia

 

[mitchell76]

The first complaint of 2022 came on Jan. 5. Peterson had suggested that a world population of 9.5 billion was sustainable; a commenter on his post said that overpopulation was a threat to the ecosystem.



Peterson tweeted: “You’re free to leave at any point.”

 

[mitchell76]

The complainant, whose name and title are redacted — though by Peterson or the college is unclear — suggests that this was an inducement to suicide.



“It is against every ethical standard and best practice of the U.S. National Association of Social Worker’s Code of ethics to make light of, encourage, joke about, or reference the topic of suicide in a manner that is not grounded in safety, prevention and evidence-based therapeutic intervention,” the complaint notes.



When Peterson was notified of this complaint, his response was that he was “simply not going to spend the hours and days required to undergo the unbelievably stressful process necessary to respond to this formally.”



“So no, I am not going to defend myself. Do whatever you want.”

 

[mitchell76]

Still not sure if this tweet is enough to make JP lose his CPO license, that it took him 10 years to obtain.

 

[The Oracle]

Yes, Frank I do agree with you. That was by far, the worst tweet, that JP wrote. It brings back memories of that whole Michelle Carter trial, when she tells her depressed boyfriend by text, "to go kill himself." Obviously MC is not a Psychologist, but she did wind up having to serve two years in jail. There was an HBO documentary, about this whole thing.

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True, but what got him in trouble with psychologists was suggesting someone kill themselves on twitter.

He never said that the poster should kill himself. The poster stated the planet was overpopulated. To which Peterson replied ''You're free to leave at any point''. JP has said many times that persons that complain about overpopulation are dangerous because they're implying that a cull is necessary and who gets to decide who stays. He staunchly believes the planet can sustain the population we have and beyond. That's the crux of the dialogue that happened. The way it's being presented is like he told someone out of the blue to go and kill themself just out of spite.Where that wasn't true at all. You have to take it in context but of course that's not what SJW's or MSM does now does it?

 

[The Oracle]

The complainant, whose name and title are redacted — though by Peterson or the college is unclear — suggests that this was an inducement to suicide.



“It is against every ethical standard and best practice of the U.S. National Association of Social Worker’s Code of ethics to make light of, encourage, joke about, or reference the topic of suicide in a manner that is not grounded in safety, prevention and evidence-based therapeutic intervention,” the complaint notes.



When Peterson was notified of this complaint, his response was that he was “simply not going to spend the hours and days required to undergo the unbelievably stressful process necessary to respond to this formally.”



“So no, I am not going to defend myself. Do whatever you want.”

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1477896405326995458

This is the account he sent it to but I don't think it was who filed the complaint. Which is interesting.

 

[The Oracle]

Still not sure if this tweet is enough to make JP lose his CPO license, that it took him 10 years to obtain.

Personally for the record here I see JP trying to be cheeky here with, according to his credentials, a colleague but I wouldn't say it. It's to open to interpretation.

 

[mandrill]

The complainant, whose name and title are redacted — though by Peterson or the college is unclear — suggests that this was an inducement to suicide.
“It is against every ethical standard and best practice of the U.S. National Association of Social Worker’s Code of ethics to make light of, encourage, joke about, or reference the topic of suicide in a manner that is not grounded in safety, prevention and evidence-based therapeutic intervention,” the complaint notes.
When Peterson was notified of this complaint, his response was that he was “simply not going to spend the hours and days required to undergo the unbelievably stressful process necessary to respond to this formally.”

“So no, I am not going to defend myself. Do whatever you want.”

It's basically an invitation to the CPO to disbar him, so he can fund raise and talk-show about the whole shtick.

EVERY professional deals with bullshit, chickenshit, fabricated or petty complaints. It's part of the deal. You don't tell the professional body to fuck off. They'll yank your licence. You just grimace, set aside the hour or so to write the polite, deferential response and wait for the letter telling you that the professional body ended up using the complaint for toilet paper.

Everybody except rookies knows the score. Doc Pee knows the score as well. He just figures he can make more $$$ getting disbarred and whining about it than trying to remain a member of his profession.

 

[escortsxxx]

I think these conspiracy minded defenders of Peterson should head over to the College to find some help. https://cpo.on.ca

If you're part of a professional organization, you either follow their guidelines or leave the organization. But as was said, that doesn't let you grift.

That's a lie.

We don't live in Dictatorship. If the guidelines are wrong you change the guidelines.

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Socrates Who drank the hemlock Went to the end of rather than quit.

Ethical people don't walk away

 

[mitchell76]

It's basically an invitation to the CPO to disbar him, so he can fund raise and talk-show about the whole shtick.

EVERY professional deals with bullshit, chickenshit, fabricated or petty complaints. It's part of the deal. You don't tell the professional body to fuck off. They'll yank your licence. You just grimace, set aside the hour or so to write the polite, deferential response and wait for the letter telling you that the professional body ended up using the complaint for toilet paper.

Everybody except rookies knows the score. Doc Pee knows the score as well. He just figures he can make more $$$ getting disbarred and whining about it than trying to remain a member of his profession.

I just find this whole thing so interesting, because JP has the power and money to just basically tell the CPO to fawk off, and I'll see you in court. Mandrill you're 100% correct. JP is one of the only professionals who will actually financially be better off, by getting disbarred from the CPO. He'll make the CPO look bad on all his social media platforms. The national post will probably cover the court case, since the NP already gave JP a front page platform to express his views etc

 

[The Oracle]

His daughter Mikhaila actually runs the business side of JP.

Here she accounts on how they hooked up with the Daily Wire and why it's important that conservatives stick together against the ''woke crowd that is destroying the world''.

 

[mandrill]

I just find this whole thing so interesting, because JP has the power and money to just basically tell the CPO to fawk off, and I'll see you in court. Mandrill you're 100% correct. JP is one of the only professionals who will actually financially be better off, by getting disbarred from the CPO. He'll make the CPO look bad on all his social media platforms. The national post will probably cover the court case, since the NP already gave JP a front page platform to express his views etc

Uh-huh. And the alt lite man-o-sphere will all applaud him and invite him on their shows and he can be their pet "intellectual" in sort of the same way that Putin parades Dugin around.

The fact that he was "martyred by the woke crowd" will be his ticket of admission.

 

[Frankfooter]

I just find this whole thing so interesting, because JP has the power and money to just basically tell the CPO to fawk off, and I'll see you in court. Mandrill you're 100% correct. JP is one of the only professionals who will actually financially be better off, by getting disbarred from the CPO. He'll make the CPO look bad on all his social media platforms. The national post will probably cover the court case, since the NP already gave JP a front page platform to express his views etc

Peterson will look like a 'free speech' guy on Musk's heavily moderated twitter, CPO will look like a moral organization who cares about professionalism and their clients.
If Peterson takes him to court it'll just end up costing him money, so he won't do it.

Peterson's freedom convoy/extreme right demographic is not the CPO's clientele, they have nothing to lose for calling out his anti science stances.

 

[mitchell76]

Peterson will look like a 'free speech' guy on Musk's heavily moderated twitter, CPO will look like a moral organization who cares about professionalism and their clients.
If Peterson takes him to court it'll just end up costing him money, so he won't do it.

Peterson's freedom convoy/extreme right demographic is not the CPO's clientele, they have nothing to lose for calling out his anti science stances.

JP already said he's taking the CPO to court.

LILLEY: Jordan Peterson launches court challenge as College of Psychologists attempts to pull licence over social media posts

The famed psychologist and best selling author says he is fighting a regulator that wants to clamp down on political speech.

torontosun.com

 

[mandrill]

His daughter Mikhaila actually runs the business side of JP.

Here she accounts on how they hooked up with the Daily Wire and why it's important that conservatives stick together against the ''woke crowd that is destroying the world''.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1616591975641407488

 

[mitchell76]

LILLEY: Jordan Peterson will use Charter challenge over being disciplined for tweets about COVID and climate change

If the College of Psychologists can use a stacked process to discipline Peterson, it's a danger to us all.

torontosun.com

 

[mandrill]

LILLEY: Jordan Peterson will use Charter challenge over being disciplined for tweets about COVID and climate change

If the College of Psychologists can use a stacked process to discipline Peterson, it's a danger to us all.

torontosun.com

That's pretty predictable - not in a necessarily perjorative way. He will say that the CPO constitutionally infringes the Free Speech section of the Charter by limiting his ability to express his opinion as he chooses.

The CPO will argue the "Within the limits of a free and democratic society" clause and argue that ALL PO's in the West - I am assuming - have similar clauses. It's the inevitable argument / counter argument.

 

[mitchell76]

 

[escortsxxx]

Fascinating case regardless

 

[escortsxxx]

That's pretty predictable - not in a necessarily perjorative way. He will say that the CPO constitutionally infringes the Free Speech section of the Charter by limiting his ability to express his opinion as he chooses.

The CPO will argue the "Within the limits of a free and democratic society" clause and argue that ALL PO's in the West - I am assuming - have similar clauses. It's the inevitable argument / counter argument.

I wanna see 1 major argument against Peterson. That he is not made it clear but his views do not represent the Association. Or if he's actually talked about medical matters In an incompetent way Like doctor Oz. Of course did it worse He did he talked about it in a fraudulent way.

It's possible That this fight is result of what Peterson has talked about in the past which is digitalizing Academia. Why have teachers Or anything like me done by lecture when you have YouTube?