Maine School Social Worker Secretly Gender-Transitioned 13-Year-Old Girl with Chest binder to flatten her breast.

[curr3n_c1000]

I'm trying to figure out people's positions here.

It seems some people feel that schools are supposed to snitch on teens to their parents about any and everything they say to a counselor?
The school has no responsibility to the safety and health of the children there?

I find that position worrying.

Since we don't know what actually happened here, how much the parents were informed over the whole process, or what the kid wanted and how we got to this point, I'm not sure why people are taking that kind of absolutist position.

Well, we do know what happened. We just don't have the full details. To act like we are completely in the dark on this is not the truth.

I don't think anything here is about "snitching". It's about a horribly implemented system that is filled with holes and creates more questions than solves.

Why does a Social Worker have privacy laws to keep secrets from parents, but can share this information with students, staff and faculty in the school?
A Social Worker is able to buy a child a gift, tell them to keep it a secret and nobody questions the ethics and procedure on this?
A parent has no responsibility to the safety and health of the children there either?

As I pointed out in another post, they are abusing the law. Change should be demanded as the current setup leave children vulnerable.

 

[Frankfooter]

Well, we do know what happened. We just don't have the full details. To act like we are completely in the dark on this is not the truth.

I don't think anything here is about "snitching". It's about a horribly implemented system that is filled with holes and creates more questions than solves.

Why does a Social Worker have privacy laws to keep secrets from parents, but can share this information with students, staff and faculty in the school?
A Social Worker is able to buy a child a gift, tell them to keep it a secret and nobody questions the ethics and procedure on this?
A parent has no responsibility to the safety and health of the children there either?

As I pointed out in another post, they are abusing the law. Change should be demanded as the current setup leave children vulnerable.

You just admitted we don't know.

This wasn't a social worker, it was a school counsellor operating within the rules of the school board.

 

[curr3n_c1000]

You just admitted we don't know.

This wasn't a social worker, it was a school counsellor operating within the rules of the school board.

Not having all the details and not knowing anything isn't the same thing.

What's stopping you from completely denying this whole thing ever happened then?

And from all articles I've read the main person working with this child was referred to as a Social Worker and was pursuing full licensing as a Social Worker.

 

[mellowjello]

I'm trying to figure out people's positions here.

It seems some people feel that schools are supposed to snitch on teens to their parents about any and everything they say to a counselor?
The school has no responsibility to the safety and health of the children there?

I find that position worrying.

Since we don't know what actually happened here, how much the parents were informed over the whole process, or what the kid wanted and how we got to this point, I'm not sure why people are taking that kind of absolutist position.

This thread has gone beyond that incident, it's become a discussion about principle, whether parents should be informed or not.

 

[mellowjello]

This wasn't a social worker, it was a school counsellor operating within the rules of the school board.

Funny, in every post by you and toguy, the only consideration you give is to the child's right to privacy, the board's policy and defending the counselor.

Not once have the parents rights or their position been considered, not once.
Tells you everything about this agenda.
It's obvious you guys don't have kids, you have this hyper idealized view of younger kids and relationships that doesn't exist in the best of families. You have no clue and you want to jam your nonsense down every one else's throat.
You're turning parents into the adversary and isolating their kids from them and you wonder why there's an anti Trans push back.
Grow the fuck up.

 

[toguy5252]

Funny, in every post by you and toguy, the only consideration you give is to the child's right to privacy, the board's policy and defending the counselor.

Not once have the parents rights or their position been considered, not once.
Tells you everything about this agenda.
It's obvious you guys don't have kids, you have this hyper idealized view of younger kids and relationships that doesn't exist in the best of families. You have no clue and you want to jam your nonsense down every one else's throat.
You're turning parents into the adversary and isolating their kids from them and you wonder why there's an anti Trans push back.
Grow the fuck up.

I have not suggested that the parents have no rights. I am suggesting unequivocally that the childs rights are superior to the parent's.

 

[mellowjello]

I have not suggested that the parents have no rights. I am suggesting unequivocally that the childs rights are superior to the parent's.

How naive can you be?
That's why I know you have no kids.
The child's rights are superior....what a childish thing to say.
You have no idea what it takes to be a parent, you have no idea about parent/children dynamics at different stages of development, the immense responsibility, and you want to dictate to parents what they are and aren't entitled to.
The fact that you can't understand how all this is creating an "anti Trans" push back just shows how clued out and self entitled you are.
I can't imagine any parent would not be enraged at the stuff your saying here.

 

[Frankfooter]

Funny, in every post by you and toguy, the only consideration you give is to the child's right to privacy, the board's policy and defending the counselor.

Not once have the parents rights or their position been considered, not once.
Tells you everything about this agenda.
It's obvious you guys don't have kids, you have this hyper idealized view of younger kids and relationships that doesn't exist in the best of families. You have no clue and you want to jam your nonsense down every one else's throat.
You're turning parents into the adversary and isolating their kids from them and you wonder why there's an anti Trans push back.
Grow the fuck up.

If this kid's parents were abusive and beat the crap out of them for whatever reason, how could they ever find help if the student counsellor had to report their meetings to the parents?

 

[mellowjello]

If this kid's parents were abusive and beat the crap out of them for whatever reason, how could they ever find help if the student counsellor had to report their meetings to the parents?

If the parents are abusive that has to be dealt with first and foremost.
You can use that as an excuse for anything the child wants to keep from his parents.
Doesn't give you the right to exclude all parents from important issues in the kid's life.
I know that it's not perfect, but your solution is insane. Nothing is perfect, parents aren't perfect, kids aren't perfect.
Most kids don't even know how their parents will react, they fear the worst, I get it's really uncomfortable to deal with, so are a lot of other things, so the default position is to kick the parents out?
The parents have a right to know, they are responsible for everything about that kid. That trump's the kid's right to keep it from his parents.
It amazes me you can only see it from the kid's view, I'm not saying this to offend you, but that is so immature.

 

[toguy5252]

How naive can you be?
That's why I know you have no kids.
The child's rights are superior....what a childish thing to say.
You have no idea what it takes to be a parent, you have no idea about parent/children dynamics at different stages of development, the immense responsibility, and you want to dictate to parents what they are and aren't entitled to.
The fact that you can't understand how all this is creating an "anti Trans" push back just shows how clued out and self entitled you are.
I can't imagine any parent would not be enraged at the stuff your saying here.

LoL. Your ability to determine my parenting schools is just amazing. Congratulations. Oh just one thing can you mention to my daughter the doctor and my son the bankers and 6heir respective spouses and children with who I enjoy a very close and warm relationship that I have been a terrible father. They may be interested to know.

You are too funny.

 

[mellowjello]

LoL. Your ability to determine my parenting schools is just amazing. Congratulations. Oh just one thing can you mention to my daughter the doctor and my son the bankers and 6heir respective spouses and children with who I enjoy a very close and warm relationship that I have been a terrible father. They may be interested to know.

You are too funny.

I'll believe it when I see it.
Everything you've said and how you've said it proves otherwise.

 

[toguy5252]

I'll believe it when I see it.
Everything you've said and how you've said it proves otherwise.

Well there you have it then. You are very funny.

 

[Frankfooter]

If the parents are abusive that has to be dealt with first and foremost.
You can use that as an excuse for anything the child wants to keep from his parents.
Doesn't give you the right to exclude all parents from important issues in the kid's life.
I know that it's not perfect, but your solution is insane. Nothing is perfect, parents aren't perfect, kids aren't perfect.
Most kids don't even know how their parents will react, they fear the worst, I get it's really uncomfortable to deal with, so are a lot of other things, so the default position is to kick the parents out?
The parents have a right to know, they are responsible for everything about that kid. That trump's the kid's right to keep it from his parents.
It amazes me you can only see it from the kid's view, I'm not saying this to offend you, but that is so immature.

Your solution is insane.
If a kid has some crazed MAGA type father with an uncontrollable temper you'd take one of the few avenues for the kid to talk to someone.

That would make kids way more unsafe.

 

[mellowjello]

Your solution is insane.
If a kid has some crazed MAGA type father with an uncontrollable temper you'd take one of the few avenues for the kid to talk to someone.

That would make kids way more unsafe.

Yea, parents are monsters, especially the fathers right.
What if the counselor is some young pedophile looking to groom a confused kid for his own sexual gratification, is he still safe?
We could go on ad nauseam, but it's apparent you feel the evil is lurking only at home, deep inside the father .

 

[Frankfooter]

Yea, parents are monsters, especially the fathers right.
What if the counselor is some young pedophile looking to groom a confused kid for his own sexual gratification, is he still safe?
We could go on ad nauseam, but it's apparent you feel the evil is lurking only at home, deep inside the father .

I'm just trying to get you to understand why the school board policy exists, the one that says counsellors don't report to parents unless the kid is a real danger to themselves or others.

 

[curr3n_c1000]

The policy is unconstitutional and infringes on parents right and authority.

 

[Frankfooter]

The policy is unconstitutional and infringes on parents right and authority.

Or, this policy is giving rights to millions of young americans to choose their own lives.

New studies find millions of young nonbinary and transgender Americans

Story at a glance Roughly 1.6 percent of American adults are now transgender or nonbinary, according to a 2022 survey. That number is higher still among young adults, with 5 percent of people…

thehill.com

 

[mellowjello]

Or, this policy is giving rights to millions of young americans to choose their own lives.

New studies find millions of young nonbinary and transgender Americans

Story at a glance Roughly 1.6 percent of American adults are now transgender or nonbinary, according to a 2022 survey. That number is higher still among young adults, with 5 percent of people…

thehill.com

This is not policy, this is not even a study, this is an article about studies. The main study from Williams Institute which was originally created to promote and support LGBTQ initiatives. Not even saying they are necessarily wrong but they definitely have a direction they're going in.

I believe most people accept the fact of sexual diversity but again, you're choosing to distract from the core issue of this discussion - whether parents/guardians should be informed of transitioning issues, dialogue, counseling, medical treatment with underage children.

 

[curr3n_c1000]

Or, this policy is giving rights to millions of young americans to choose their own lives.

New studies find millions of young nonbinary and transgender Americans

Story at a glance Roughly 1.6 percent of American adults are now transgender or nonbinary, according to a 2022 survey. That number is higher still among young adults, with 5 percent of people…

thehill.com

But with what due process does it makes it ok the violate a parents right to at least know when they inquire? A guardian of a child should be able to have information when they request it.

The manipulation of the law is being done here. They are not having neutral conversations with children. They are grooming them and hiding behind the law when the child reveals what is happening to the parent.

 

[Valcazar]

Well, we do know what happened. We just don't have the full details. To act like we are completely in the dark on this is not the truth.

We don't know what happened.
We have what the mom said happened in that event and her demand that most of the administration be fired.

Very few facts are known here.

Why does a Social Worker have privacy laws to keep secrets from parents, but can share this information with students, staff and faculty in the school?
A Social Worker is able to buy a child a gift, tell them to keep it a secret and nobody questions the ethics and procedure on this?
A parent has no responsibility to the safety and health of the children there either?

As I pointed out in another post, they are abusing the law. Change should be demanded as the current setup leave children vulnerable.

We don't know if anything you just said is true.