Maine School Social Worker Secretly Gender-Transitioned 13-Year-Old Girl with Chest binder to flatten her breast.
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You obviously have a very low opinion of teens and perhaps your children if you have any. That may say a lot about you. I have a very different opinion.
If you're accusing the kid of not asking, then you're accusing the counsellor of 'grooming'.
Now you're saying the kid is 'woke' as if that's an insult as well, you sure you're not right wing?
The kid won't be able to do anything other than crossdressing and living in drag until they are of legal age, at which point they would have to go through counselling and a long hormone therapy.
if you're talking about pre-pubescent kids getting hormone therapy to delay puberty, that's another thing. And that can only be done with a doctor and parental approval. I have a friend who's kid has asked for this and they are trying to figure it out. The kid is pre-pubescent but its not some passing thing for them. They've known for a while.
So I'm not really sure what you're complaining about, the kid can't do anything medical without a doctor and their parents. All the counsellor can do is offer advice and in this case, either a sports bra or chest binder.
Are you posting here complaining about something kids can't actually do?
Nonsense. What the college kid did was inappropriate. He should have called the girl's parents and had a chat. And yes I called the counsellor college kid woke. That is probably what led him to propose that the girl wear a chest binder and not tell her parents. He probably thought it was appropriate. Its not.
No, calling the kids parents would have been against school policy.
Stop demeaning the counsellor and demanding he break rules, its ridiculous.
No it wouldn't have been against school policy. It would have been the appropriate and ethical thing to do. This isn't some mental health counselling session. Hiding behind rules to promote unethical behavior are we?
Sure I dont know what his actual motivations were. Regardless, what he did was inappropriate.
Difficult to make that judgement without all the facts. You are simply superimposing your prejudices on a young person.
I posted a quote from the original article that specifically stated it would be against school policy.
If you don't even know that, why are you assuming you know anything?
Not unless the teen wants the parents informed. As I've repeatedly stated, this is absolutely nothing new (other than it fits the trans-scare the right wing media is pushing).
If a teen gets bad grades, acts up in school or skips class why does the school tell the parents and not respect the child's privacy?
Why just stop at gender? Why do they decide what is private or not? It's unjustifiable to not give the same rights across the board.
This is a tax funded institution. Not a private company.
Why just stop at gender? Why do they decide what is private or not? It's unjustifiable to not give the same rights across the board.
This is a tax funded institution. Not a private company.
Your ability to conflate unrelated issues us quite impressive.
The principles remain the same. Why is privacy so narrowly selective? I demand you answer that.
If the child was dealing with any other type of mental disorder or dysphoria, they would alert the parent immediately, not just because ones duty but also for legal reasons. How can one now be legally exempt?
They are nothing alike. Comparing ones sexuality with marks is quite absurd and if you don't get that there is really not much I can say.
I can agree, Switching your gender has a much larger impact on one's life than getting a C- in school.
What you're insisting is a young minor should be able to deal with a life changing transition without parental supervision or guidance. This is absolutely flawed and never applies to any other child situation.
Also as I pointed out, If the child was dealing with any other type of mental disorder or dysphoria, we don't act in the same way of privacy.
It may have escaped you but as far as we know the only thing that happened was that your person wore something which effectively hid her breasts. No procedure, no transition. So instead of getting hysterical try an deal with what we know and nit what you think you may know or what you think might happen.
This is, in fact, the whole issue.
We have no real knowledge of what went down.
Assuming the woman in the piece isn't a GOP operative (given the history with "grass roots school complaints", we can't rule that out) all we have is her version.
Like many parents whose kids have made decisions she doesn't agree with, she insists someone else is to blame.
The storyline these reports want to pus is "the woke establishment is coming for your kids and forcing them to be transgender!" so that's what we get - the evil or possibly simple underqualified and brainwashed counselor gave this kid a binder and told them to keep everything secret from their parents after only having known them two weeks. They forced the kid/tricked the kid/pressured the kid into trying to become trans. The parents weren't consulted and completely frozen out.
But we don't actually know that's the story. We know the kid was seeing another counselor earlier. Was the kid talking about transitioning then? Were the parents informed then? What happened previously? Did the kid bring it up, the parents act horrified, and then the kid just stopped talking about it with them? Why did the kid change counselors? The whole school administration apparently decided to support social transitioning. How and why was that decision made? Were the parents really not consulted or did they refuse to engage?
We don't know.
Is it possible some over-zealous person went rogue and pressured this kid? Sure. It's possible.
Do we actually know if that's the story? No we don't.
"Parent's rights" is one of the major frames being used to push this agenda so the fact this whole story is being framed by the usual suspects as an attack on the parents and their involvement means it should be looked at suspiciously. When the story is set up to perfectly support the agenda, you should look for what is being left out. Especially when only one side is speaking to the press.
I'm trying to figure out people's positions here.
It seems some people feel that schools are supposed to snitch on teens to their parents about any and everything they say to a counselor?
The school has no responsibility to the safety and health of the children there?
I find that position worrying.
Since we don't know what actually happened here, how much the parents were informed over the whole process, or what the kid wanted and how we got to this point, I'm not sure why people are taking that kind of absolutist position.
It seems some people feel that schools are supposed to snitch on teens to their parents about any and everything they say to a counselor?
The school has no responsibility to the safety and health of the children there?
I find that position worrying.
Since we don't know what actually happened here, how much the parents were informed over the whole process, or what the kid wanted and how we got to this point, I'm not sure why people are taking that kind of absolutist position.
That doesn't change anything. You are still putting a minor in a position that they cannot properly navigate.
For example, what if they paired the minor with an unlicensed social worker? How would they know to check?
This issue of parents knowing isn't about being anti anything. The main issue is being accountable for the minor. If you expect a parent to be accountable how can you justify them not knowing?
