Iran still enriching to 60%

[Frankfooter]

Except there are no talks going on. Iran walked away from the last offer from the mediator and clearly stated it was because they didn't want the UN investigating NPT violations.

Oh, you mean like the two state solution you say is going to happen any day now?

Iran says they are ready to negotiate, you lied and said they weren't.
Israel has been called out for not signing the NPT, you say only Iran has to abide by the NPT.
The UN says Israel should dismantle all their nukes, you claim they don't.

You're not interested in peace.

 

[Frankfooter]

Sorry but the PLO and Arab states are the ones keeping Palestinian refugees in camps without rights,

There is such an easy solution.
Israel should abide by the multiple UN resolutions, respect Palestinian Right of Return and let them all return.
Then give them all the full human rights they deserve on their homelands.

 

[basketcase]

Oh, you mean like the two state solution you say is going to happen any day now?
...

Yes. Just like the Palestinian/Arab leadership have spend a century rejecting any kind of peace involving Jews, Iran has rejected any renewal of the JCPOA unless the UN stops investigating NPT violations. Just another case where the people who reject the negotiations try and sucker people and you fall for it because of your Israel obsession.

Pathetic that you are so much of a zealot you refuse to even hint that Iran has culpability for their actions.

 

[basketcase]

There is such an easy solution.
Israel should abide by the multiple UN resolutions, respect Palestinian Right of Return and let them all return.
Then give them all the full human rights they deserve on their homelands.

Yet you haven't once said the same about Jews chased from their Arab homes. Hmm Double standard again?


p.s. Those UN resolutions specify as part of a peace deal which Palestinians leaders (and seemingly the people) oppose. More importantly, Palestinian polling says only 10% of the refugees/descendants want to move to Israel. Just another case of you telling Palestinians what they need to do simply to feed your agenda. You're no better than the Arab states that have kept generations locked up without rights.

 

[Frankfooter]

Yes. Just like the Palestinian/Arab leadership have spend a century rejecting any kind of peace involving Jews, Iran has rejected any renewal of the JCPOA unless the UN stops investigating NPT violations. Just another case where the people who reject the negotiations try and sucker people and you fall for it because of your Israel obsession.

Pathetic that you are so much of a zealot you refuse to even hint that Iran has culpability for their actions.

Sigh, still using the wife beater defence?
Claiming that its all the victim's fault?

Israel is the occupying power.
They decide when they stop the occupation.

 

[Frankfooter]

Yet you haven't once said the same about Jews chased from their Arab homes. Hmm Double standard again?


p.s. Those UN resolutions specify as part of a peace deal which Palestinians leaders (and seemingly the people) oppose. More importantly, Palestinian polling says only 10% of the refugees/descendants want to move to Israel. Just another case of you telling Palestinians what they need to do simply to feed your agenda. You're no better than the Arab states that have kept generations locked up without rights.

Those are UN resolutions.
There are no excuses for not abiding.

Only despotic countries refuse.

 

[basketcase]

Sigh, still using the wife beater defence?
Claiming that its all the victim's fault?

Israel is the occupying power.
They decide when they stop the occupation.

Racist trash who says that occupied people can't be terrorists and ignore what UN resolutions actually say.


Still no comment on Iran ending talks over demands the UN stop investigating NPT violations?



Must be a tough world for you to make choices in. Iran is one of the least free states in the world, kill women for showing a bit of hair, implement an extremely authoritarian and repressive version of their religion, and are Russia's biggest supplier for the Ukraine war but on the other side, they hate Israel's existence.

 

[Frankfooter]

Racist trash who says that occupied people can't be terrorists and ignore what UN resolutions actually say.

Its so boring when you just lie about what I post.
Of course both sides can and do commit acts of terrorism.
The question is why you think its only ever a problem when one race does it and not another.

Still no comment on Iran ending talks over demands the UN stop investigating NPT violations?

Oh, are you still blaming Iran for Trump pulling out of the JCPOA and Biden refusing to guarantee not to reestablish sanctions if Iran renewed the deal?

Must be a tough world for you to make choices in. Iran is one of the least free states in the world, kill women for showing a bit of hair, implement an extremely authoritarian and repressive version of their religion, and are Russia's biggest supplier for the Ukraine war but on the other side, they hate Israel's existence.

No, its pretty easy.
Iran is bad, Israel is bad, Russia is bad.
The difference is that there are fixes that you won't accept.
Iran - renew the JCPOA and end sanctions to take power from the hardliners
Israel - end apartheid and/or the occupation
Russia - keep arming Ukraine and let them end Putin's rule

 

[basketcase]

Its so boring when you just lie about what I post.
Of course both sides can and do commit acts of terrorism.

Yet your posting history says you think otherwise.

The question is why you think its only ever a problem when one race does it and not another.

Only one of us has called out terrorism by both Jewish Israelis and Palestinians and it's not you. You keep trying to use the term "self defence" to describe when a Palestinian attacks a Jewish civilian.

Iran - renew the JCPOA

And yet you haven't once criticized Iran for refusing the re-sign. (let alone their continued enrichment to 60%, continuously expanding enrichment capacity, or their undeclared sites they refuse to explain). What a fraud you are.

 

[Frankfooter]

Only one of us has called out terrorism by both Jewish Israelis and Palestinians and it's not you. You keep trying to use the term "self defence" to describe when a Palestinian attacks a Jewish civilian.

Israel and Israeli 'settlers' commit far more acts of what you label 'terrorism' yet you only ever post about Palestinian acts.
Why?

 

[krealtarron]

Very apt answer by Naom Chomsky.

 

[basketcase]

Israel and Israeli 'settlers' commit far more acts of what you label 'terrorism' yet you only ever post about Palestinian acts.
Why?

Oh your bullshit is pathetic.

I have repeatedly condemned militant settlers throwing rocks or firebombs at Palestinians just like I have repeatedly condemned militant Palestinians throwing rocks and firebombs at Jewish civilians.

Meanwhile you still refuse to admit that there are some Palestinians who commit terrorism, instead pretending that Palestinian militants shooting at civilian cars and homes is somehow an act of self defence.


Just like you keep pretending to be against nuclear weapons but make excuses for Iran enriching to 60%, building massive enrichment capacity for 1 civilian reaction, interfering with UN investigations into undeclared nuclear sites, and rejecting the JCPOA due to that investigation.

 

[basketcase]

Very apt answer by Naom Chomsky.

Does the 94 year old linguist address why Iran is enriching to 60% and building massive enrichment capacity? Does he get past his western perspective and question whether Iran is a threat to the numerous Middle Eastern countries where they are militarily active?

 

[Frankfooter]

Oh your bullshit is pathetic.

I have repeatedly condemned militant settlers throwing rocks or firebombs at Palestinians just like I have repeatedly condemned militant Palestinians throwing rocks and firebombs at Jewish civilians.

Israel regularly kills 10x the number of civilians, so if you really cared about terrorism and the targeting of civilians you'd post about Israeli war crimes 10x as much as you post about Palestinians.
But you don't, you never post about Palestinians killed except to respond that each and every killing is somehow justified.

Database on fatalities and house demolitions

Database on fatalities and house demolitions in the Occupied Territories and Israel in the context of the conflict

statistics.btselem.org

“Armed and masked Israeli settlers are attacking Palestinians in their homes, attacking children on their way to school, destroying property and burning olive groves, and terrorising entire communities with complete impunity,” said the experts. 2022 is the sixth year of consecutive annual increase in the number of Israeli settler attacks in the occupied West Bank, despite a 2016 UN Security Council resolution specifically intended to halt settlement activity.

There were over 1,000 settler attacks in 2022.
You posted about none of them.

 

[basketcase]

Israel regularly...

And still looking to shit on Jews instead of addressing Iran's nuclear program and their refusal to re-enter the JCPOA.


p.s. Only one of us has criticized terrorism from both Jewish and Palestinian extremists and it's not you. You'd be hard pressed to find a post where I defended the right of Settlers to attack Palestinians the way you do with Palestinian attacks on Jews.

 

[krealtarron]

Does the 94 year old linguist address why Iran is enriching to 60% and building massive enrichment capacity? Does he get past his western perspective and question whether Iran is a threat to the numerous Middle Eastern countries where they are militarily active?

I like how you call him a "94 year old linguist" as if him being a linguist and 94 years old makes him unqualified to comment. Having commented on and written about matters of US foreign policy and Israel for more than 60 years, I would say he is one of the major intellectuals in the western hemisphere.

That said, he specifically addresses your question and categorically states that Iran IS NOT a threat and infact cites an Israeli military analyst who said that "Iran would be crazy not to develop nuclear weapons as a deterrent". He also specifically states how the fear is not Iran USING nuclear weapons, the fear is that it would impact Zionism - meaning, it would drive people out of Israel to safer locations, which would impact the jewishness of Israel.

You can see why your fear of Iran is irrational based on that alone.

 

[Frankfooter]

And still looking to shit on Jews instead of addressing Iran's nuclear program and their refusal to re-enter the JCPOA.


p.s. Only one of us has criticized terrorism from both Jewish and Palestinian extremists and it's not you. You'd be hard pressed to find a post where I defended the right of Settlers to attack Palestinians the way you do with Palestinian attacks on Jews.

Your pushing antisemitic tropes again, basketcase.
Stop claiming that discussing Israeli foreign policy is an attack on a race, its discussing government policy of a country you say is a plural democracy.

Only one of us calls for investigations into allegations on both sides based on impartial 3rd party investigations.
Its not you.

 

[y2kmark]

If no deal then Iran makes nukes if deal then Iran does not make nukes, it is quite complicated so I can see Basketcase's confusion on the matter.

If you consider that Obama and the Dems had a deal in place and the Donald deliberately shit on it, the cognitive dissonance factor is quite evident. Now the Iranians are harder to deal with, even before the drone strike on their hero general - thanx Prez Trump...

 

[Frankfooter]

If you consider that Obama and the Dems had a deal in place and the Donald deliberately shit on it, the cognitive dissonance factor is quite evident. Now the Iranians are harder to deal with, even before the drone strike on their hero general - thanx Prez Trump...

Exactly, had the US renewed the JCPOA and ended sanctions Iran would never risk selling drones to Russia.
Treaties and deescalation, that's what's needed.

 

[basketcase]

I like how you call him a "94 year old linguist" as if him being a linguist and 94 years old makes him unqualified to comment. ...

It makes his comment no more worthy of consideration than any other person. I mentioned he's a linguist specifically because it signifies he has absolutely no idea of what is currently going on in Iran's issues with the IAEA other than things he may or may not read in the news.

And he is wrong to say that Iran is not a threat. They are heavily involved in terrorism and insurgency around the reason and the threat that them potentially having nukes has is to prevent anyone responding to Iran sponsored attacks. I know you are too focussed on Israel like the Arab leadership want but Iran with nukes means Saudi will get nukes. Two belligerent totalitarian regimes with nukes is not in the best interest of the world.