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shack

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Marijuana legalization is not a good thing. Its a drug amd edibles are also truly dangerous. It is a gateway drug for many maby people i've seen. If you compare alcohol to marijuana, you've already lost this debate.
So you obviously support the abolition of alcohol.
 
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krealtarron

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Trudeau is the most dangerous man for Canada ever. He is trying to install Socialism. He committed treason and multiple ethics violations and got away with it. He formed a Socialist coup with Singh to maintain a false majority, which is sneaky and underhanded. He is sending millions of taxpayers money to foreign countries, he is letting in thousands of asylum seekers daily and giving them a free hotel and monthly paychecks, he has a mass immigration policy causing overcrowding and a housing crisis, he is putting more and more taxes (finding anyway to redistribute income), he jacked the scam carbon tax, he accumulated more debt then all prime ministers combined, he is worse then his father, Trudeau admires China's communist government and likes Fidel Castro, need I go on? There is the most despicable man ever, he will do anything to hold on to power. He is a power hungry SOB.
Talk about Trudeau Derangement Syndrome.... :ROFLMAO:
 

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By the way. I dont lean any way. Not left or right. I love guns, freedoms and opportunity with a stable competent party leading the goverments.
You just destroyed your own claim.

I love guns=right wing.
Freedoms=your definition of what people should be free to do.
Competent party leading the gov't=of which Liberals and NDP are incapable of.

You don't lean either way but you are an enormous arrow pointing to the right.
 
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bmanguy

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Nonsensical statement. Underemployment is on the job seeker. Unemployment is a macroeconomic indicator, and the fact that it is low under Trudeau, means credit to him.


Inflation is due to various reasons. Blaming CERB for it is ridiculous. Sure CERB wasn't perfect, but these kinds of programs are never perfect.


It IS a good thing because the people wanted it. This gateway drug etc is bullshit. There is no good study that establishes a causal relationship between weed and other hard drugs.


CERB, Pandemic restrictions, vaccines etc., He didnt do a perfect job but show me 1 country the world over that actually received appreciation for pandemic management. All things considered he did do a good job.


Nothing says you dont lean either way like saying you love guns and freedoms.


Nobody forced you to get a vaccine. What are you on about?

Wow you are the PERFECT SHEEP lol. Perfect little ignorant sheep.

Under employment isn't on job seekers when your business gets shut down by the government by force. Did they have a choice??

How much do you think was given out for CERB and how much of it do you think was fraudulent??

You dont think CERB is contributing to inflation?? Lol. Please stop talking about the economy right now. Zero sense or knowledge how debt ceilings and spending works.

And see your arrogance thinking only a certain group can love guns and freedom lol. Thats you not loving guns and freedoms. You just dont like guns and freedoms because of your group politics. You are not an independent thinker. You will always go with your 'base'.

Tory and Ford are both corrupt and terrible. Doug Ford and Trudeau are equally bad but Trudeau just is a little more disgusting.

You would do anything your government tells you. You still didn't address how big pharma (private business) own you and you paid for their products forcefully.

No one forced anyone to get vaccine?? Government led businesses as well as many private businesses told their workers vaccine or youre fired.

Cops get paid leave for literally assaulting or shooting someone. They got unpaid for refusing a vaccine. Hmmm..not suspicious at all right??

Im pro-abortion without question. Imagine firing women for getting an abortion? You would be UP IN ARMS! HIPOCRITE.

Even those against abortion are hipocrites because they refuse vaccine 'based on my body my choice' yet they force women to carry out to term a baby they didnt want and cant afford or raise.

Im down the middle. You're a dummy and brainwashed. You're the reason Canada is failing in every way. Ig you don't see Canada is failing, then no point in further debates as you're sheltered
 
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I think he has accomplished a few things. He isn't perfect and he has his shortcomings, but to say he hasn't done anything and he can do nothing right, is an ideological position that doesn't mean much.

- Lowest unemployment
- Lowest poverty
- Marijuana legalization
- Managing the pandemic (extremely tough to do because nothing you do can be right)
- Trade deal with the US

Just to name a few.
I’m sorry but it’s time for a change

the pandemic was not managed as well as it was in other countries - we were locked down way harder and longer than others because we had no vaccine for 6 months - much longer than many. We were only saved by lock downs - of which the true cost we are just starting to see. Youth social interaction. overall financial health, mental and physiological health - they were all hurt because of those damn lockdowns
 
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krealtarron

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I’m sorry but it’s time for a change

the pandemic was not managed as well as it was in other countries - we were locked down way harder and longer than others because we had no vaccine for 6 months - much longer than many. We were only saved by lock downs - of which the true cost we are just starting to see. Youth social interaction. overall financial health, mental and physiological health - they were all hurt because of those damn lockdowns
So blame Doug Ford aka conservatives for it. It wasn't a federal lock down.
 
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bmanguy

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You just destroyed your own claim.

I love guns=right wing.
Freedoms=your definition of what people should be free to do.
Competent party leading the gov't=of which Liberals and NDP are incapable of.

You don't lean either way but you are an enormous arrow pointing to the right.
Thats you lumping me into a group lol. You follow a crowd. Who said left wing cant love guns. Where is it written that left wing must hate guns lol.

Your group politics is the reason Canada is failing.

Group politics also led to World War 2. Ieveryone just went along with a side of a spectrum..

Dangerous and stupid
 

krealtarron

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Wow you are the PERFECT SHEEP lol. Perfect little ignorant sheep.

Under employment isn't on job seekers when your business gets shut down by the government by force. Did they have a choice??

How much do you think was given out for CERB and how much of it do you think was fraudulent??

You dont think CERB is contributing to inflation?? Lol. Please stop talking about the economy right now. Zero sense or knowledge how debt ceilings and spending works.

And see your arrogance thinking only a certain group can love guns and freedom lol. Thats you not loving guns and freedoms. You just dont like guns and freedoms because of your group politics. You are not an independent thinker. You will always go with your 'base'.

Tory and Ford are both corrupt and terrible. Doug Ford and Trudeau are equally bad but Trudeau just is a little more disgusting.

You would do anything your government tells you. You still didn't address how big pharma (private business) own you and you paid for their products forcefully.

No one forced anyone to get vaccine?? Government led businesses as well as many private businesses told their workers vaccine or youre fired.

Cops get paid leave for literally assaulting or shooting someone. They got unpaid for refusing a vaccine. Hmmm..not suspicious at all right??

Im pro-abortion without question. Imagine firing women for getting an abortion? You would be UP IN ARMS! HIPOCRITE.

Even those against abortion are hipocrites because they refuse vaccine 'based on my body my choice' yet they force women to carry out to term a baby they didnt want and cant afford or raise.

Im down the middle. You're a dummy and brainwashed. You're the reason Canada is failing in every way. Ig you don't see Canada is failing, then no point in further debates as you're sheltered
Oh please stop with the bullshit. If there is a pandemic, you cannot keep everything open. Guess what, if they had kept everything open, you would be back here bitching about how they should have locked down and how they failed to save lives.

CERB may not have been perfect, but in many cases was needed to help people. It may have an impact on inflation, but dont try to spin it like is the biggest cause. If you are going to push rhetoric, atleast be intellectually honest about it than to try and sound like an economic genius while blaming everything on one govt program.

Yeah and nothing says that you are an independent thinker than pushing right wing talking points - guns, freedom et all.

And also, Pfizer maybe big pharma, but their vaccine literally saved lives. So you dont go to a doctor and buy prescription drugs from big pharma anymore? Because they are making money off of you? Nonsensical argument. Also being fired for not taking a vaccine, is not exactly something I agree with, but it still doesn't amount to forcing - it is still just consequences. Forcing is putting a gun to your head and making you take the vaccine.
 
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Oh please stop with the bullshit. If there is a pandemic, you cannot keep everything open. Guess what, if they had kept everything open, you would be back here bitching about how they should have locked down and how they failed to save lives.

CERB may not have been perfect, but in many cases was needed to help people. It may have an impact on inflation, but dont try to spin it like is the biggest cause. If you are going to push rhetoric, atleast be intellectually honest about it than to try and sound like an economic genius while blaming everything on one govt program.

Yeah and nothing says that you are an independent thinker than pushing right wing talking points - guns, freedom et all.

And also, Pfizer maybe big pharma, but their vaccine literally saved lives. So you dont go to a doctor and buy prescription drugs from big pharma anymore? Because they are making money off of you? Nonsensical argument. Also being fired for not taking a vaccine, is not exactly something I agree with, but it still doesn't amount to forcing - it is still just consequences. Forcing is putting a gun to your head and making you take the vaccine.
Lmao you put ZERO facts in your arguments. ZERO numbers. Right wing talking point. Im literally indentifying as central with no affiliation. Youre infringing on my identity and its hurtful. I identify as central and youre being a bully by saying i am not! Wahhh wahhh.

Funny how influenza disappeared when covid started. Apparently covid killed the flu lol.

No point arguing with you. You're are 1000% brainwashed. No facts or numbers or gistorical accuracy.

You know who else hated guns. Mao Zedong and Josef Stalin. They literally banned all guns THEN took power. If you see no relationship betweem that fact and the control over you now..well..goodluck.

Btw..pfizer wants to shove a dildo vaxx up your ass. Ensure you comply!

Anyone who tries to force me to take a vaccine or try to fire me or take my livelihood away...better get 24/7 security and a bodyguard. It wont be pretty!
 

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Oh please stop with the bullshit. If there is a pandemic, you cannot keep everything open. Guess what, if they had kept everything open, you would be back here bitching about how they should have locked down and how they failed to save lives.

CERB may not have been perfect, but in many cases was needed to help people. It may have an impact on inflation, but dont try to spin it like is the biggest cause. If you are going to push rhetoric, atleast be intellectually honest about it than to try and sound like an economic genius while blaming everything on one govt program.

Yeah and nothing says that you are an independent thinker than pushing right wing talking points - guns, freedom et all.

And also, Pfizer maybe big pharma, but their vaccine literally saved lives. So you dont go to a doctor and buy prescription drugs from big pharma anymore? Because they are making money off of you? Nonsensical argument. Also being fired for not taking a vaccine, is not exactly something I agree with, but it still doesn't amount to forcing - it is still just consequences. Forcing is putting a gun to your head and making you take the vaccine.

And no. I avoid pharmaceutical mediciations as much as possible. My doctor even knows not to prescribe anything to me !
 

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Don't know where people like the OP get their info but every person I've known diagnosed with cancer was in treatment within the month, some of them done by leaders in their field.

Annoying to wait hours with a possibly broken bone because too many people treat the ER like a walk-in clinic but anything serious gets done quickly. And no one has to go bankrupt to get treated.
 

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So you obviously support the abolition of alcohol.
I do. But its too late. Provincial governments literally said they will keep alcohol sales open during pandemic to ensure addicted people can get their fix. Its sick.

NOTHING good has come from alcohol. Only negative. Very negative.
 

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Funny how influenza disappeared when covid started. Apparently covid killed the flu lol.

No point arguing with you. You're are 1000% brainwashed. No facts or numbers or gistorical accuracy.

You know who else hated guns. Mao Zedong and Josef Stalin. They literally banned all guns THEN took power. If you see no relationship betweem that fact and the control over you now..well..goodluck.

Btw..pfizer wants to shove a dildo vaxx up your ass. Ensure you comply!

Anyone who tries to force me to take a vaccine or try to fire me or take my livelihood away...better get 24/7 security and a bodyguard. It wont be pretty!
Where did flu dissapear? Says who?

Also Stalin, Zedong etc LOL. Yeah wanting gun regulation equals communism and dictatorship. Okay.

And if someone fires you for not taking the vaccine, you wont do jackshit. Dont kid yourself.

And no. I avoid pharmaceutical mediciations as much as possible. My doctor even knows not to prescribe anything to me !
:ROFLMAO: Yeah tomorrow if you have a grave health concern or something, just walk it off big guy.
 

krealtarron

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I do. But its too late. Provincial governments literally said they will keep alcohol sales open during pandemic to ensure addicted people can get their fix. Its sick.

NOTHING good has come from alcohol. Only negative. Very negative.
Is everything just gross paranoia and hyperbole to you?

I mean if someone goes to LCBO they must be an alcoholic! No there is no possibility that they just buy a bottle of wine and enjoy a glass with their SO. lol.
 

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Where did flu dissapear? Says who?

Also Stalin, Zedong etc LOL. Yeah wanting gun regulation equals communism and dictatorship. Okay.

And if someone fires you for not taking the vaccine, you wont do jackshit. Dont kid yourself.



:ROFLMAO: Yeah tomorrow if you have a grave health concern or something, just walk it off big guy.

Here is CLEAR proof from public health of Canada website.

'During the 2019-2020 season a total of 55,379 influenza detections were reported.'

'Despite continued monitoring for influenza across Canada, there was no evidence of community circulation of influenza throughout the 2020-2021'

Influenza virtually disappeared lol. Went from 55, 000 cases to nearly zero wehn they gave you covid fears.

Education is important! Not just being WOKE lol.

You literally gave ZERO facts or Stats in your argument. Its useless debating with big dummies. Dummy!
 

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Is everything just gross paranoia and hyperbole to you?

I mean if someone goes to LCBO they must be an alcoholic! No there is no possibility that they just buy a bottle of wine and enjoy a glass with their SO. lol.
This isnt my words. Ford literally said this

'Ford addressed concerns about keeping liquor, beer, wine, and cannabis stores open. “I know there are some people at home thinking, ‘How does that work?’ Well, there are people out there with addictions. We’re there to help them; we’re there to support them …'

I destroyed you so hard. Seriously. Please sleep lol
 

krealtarron

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Here is CLEAR proof from public health of Canada website.

'During the 2019-2020 season a total of 55,379 influenza detections were reported.'

'Despite continued monitoring for influenza across Canada, there was no evidence of community circulation of influenza throughout the 2020-2021'

Influenza virtually disappeared lol. Went from 55, 000 cases to nearly zero wehn they gave you covid fears.

Education is important! Not just being WOKE lol.

You literally gave ZERO facts or Stats in your argument. Its useless debating with big dummies. Dummy!
Perhaps because we were all locked down? Maybe the COVID measures were working to keep flu down as well. You could put some thought into it than hysterically claiming "ITS A CONSPIRACY!!!" .
 

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I do. But its too late. Provincial governments literally said they will keep alcohol sales open during pandemic to ensure addicted people can get their fix. Its sick.

NOTHING good has come from alcohol. Only negative. Very negative.
Lol The only reason they remained open is because it is government owned. Government wanted to collect their profits.
 

krealtarron

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This isnt my words. Ford literally said this

'Ford addressed concerns about keeping liquor, beer, wine, and cannabis stores open. “I know there are some people at home thinking, ‘How does that work?’ Well, there are people out there with addictions. We’re there to help them; we’re there to support them …'

I destroyed you so hard. Seriously. Please sleep lol
OMG only people with addictions go to liquor stores! lol

He must have said something in response to a question on why liquor stores are deemed essential as a way of putting a humanitarian spin on things. And you couldn't take it with a grain of salt and instead need to claim "the sole purpose of liquor stores being open is for addicts to get their fix! EEEKKKK!!".
 

krealtarron

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Lol The only reason they remained open is because it is government owned. Government wanted to collect their profits.
That is a more reasonable explanation on why they kept it open.
 
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