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Brazil is the largest and one of the wealthiest countries in SA and the request was for a "

And this is the intellect of a person who's opinion we're supposed accept. Hahahahaha.
You make zero sense, I see there is no intellect there.
 

jalimon

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Oh he is a big Trudeau fan.
Never seen a post where he says a bad word about Trudeau.
No matter what Trudeau does he defends it tooth and nail.
i’ve met Trudeau 3 times in my life. He’s the perfect political puppet yet he’s not dangerous. He’s a humanist which unfortunately makes him weak nowadays. I hated the guy i met 3 times but i need to admit he’s capable of consensus. Which is vital in a democracy.
 

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I think he has accomplished a few things. He isn't perfect and he has his shortcomings, but to say he hasn't done anything and he can do nothing right, is an ideological position that doesn't mean much.

- Lowest unemployment
- Lowest poverty
- Marijuana legalization
- Managing the pandemic (extremely tough to do because nothing you do can be right)
- Trade deal with the US

Just to name a few.
What cheap drugs are you on? Trudeau is the biggest disaster ever. I never seen so much poverty. Homeless everywhere. The pandemic was a disaster too, too authoritarian and now we are all suffering due to government created inflation. The unemployment rate is low because less people are looking for work. For two years Trudeau gave out CERB and now apparently he made it much easier to collect EI.

Toronto is suffering from $2200 rents because of Trudeau's mass immigration policy. Way too many people entering and they all like to go to the GTA.
 

shack

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Holy shit!

I ask you to provide a single westernized first world country that is worse you can't do it.
I said Brazil. A western democracy with national health care.

I'm sorry that you didn't like a choice that fit the criteria.
 

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Oh he is a big Trudeau fan.
Never seen a post where he says a bad word about Trudeau.
No matter what Trudeau does he defends it tooth and nail.
Jalimon confirmed he supports Socialism. He should see how things are in Cuba and Venezuela. That is Trudeau's vision.
 

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i’ve met Trudeau 3 times in my life. He’s the perfect political puppet yet he’s not dangerous. He’s a humanist which unfortunately makes him weak nowadays. I hated the guy i met 3 times but i need to admit he’s capable of consensus. Which is vital in a democracy.
Trudeau is the most dangerous man for Canada ever. He is trying to install Socialism. He committed treason and multiple ethics violations and got away with it. He formed a Socialist coup with Singh to maintain a false majority, which is sneaky and underhanded. He is sending millions of taxpayers money to foreign countries, he is letting in thousands of asylum seekers daily and giving them a free hotel and monthly paychecks, he has a mass immigration policy causing overcrowding and a housing crisis, he is putting more and more taxes (finding anyway to redistribute income), he jacked the scam carbon tax, he accumulated more debt then all prime ministers combined, he is worse then his father, Trudeau admires China's communist government and likes Fidel Castro, need I go on? There is the most despicable man ever, he will do anything to hold on to power. He is a power hungry SOB.
 

shack

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You are correct.
What has he done right?
So you admit, that you are totally biased, which shapes your opinion.

I've said many times that I am not beholden to any party or ideology. I try to look at things on a case by case basis. Base my opinion of the facts at hand.

Just like people, no party of philosophy is correct all the time. Yet there are too many people who will tow the party line 100% of the time. And most often, it takes the form of right wing tribalism. In the U.S. it is called tDS, trump Devotee Syndrome.
 

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So you admit, that you are totally biased, which shapes your opinion.

I've said many times that I am not beholden to any party or ideology. I try to look at things on a case by case basis. Base my opinion of the facts at hand.

Just like people, no party of philosophy is correct all the time. Yet there are too many people who will tow the party line 100% of the time. And most often, it takes the form of right wing tribalism. In the U.S. it is called tDS, trump Devotee Syndrome.
You forgot about left wing tribalism. In Canada it is called TDS, Trudeau Devotee Syndrome.
 

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I think he has accomplished a few things. He isn't perfect and he has his shortcomings, but to say he hasn't done anything and he can do nothing right, is an ideological position that doesn't mean much.

- Lowest unemployment
- Lowest poverty
- Marijuana legalization
- Managing the pandemic (extremely tough to do because nothing you do can be right)
- Trade deal with the US

Just to name a few.
Lowest unemployment is a nonsense statistic. Under employment is just as dangerous.

Lowest poverty??? He literally printed money to give out for CERB. Of course there wont be any poverty with printed money. Food banks are reaching record levels. We are already seeing record inflation numbers and the printed money he injected will really be seen at 15% inflation in 2023! Any economist knows extra printed money takes 2 years to show as high inflation.

Marijuana legalization is not a good thing. Its a drug amd edibles are also truly dangerous. It is a gateway drug for many maby people i've seen. If you compare alcohol to marijuana, you've already lost this debate.

Managing the pandemic by literally printing extra money and not having ANY oversight as to who gets CERB. I can assure at least a billion in CERB was fraudulently applied for. Im talking about fraud..not just lying about income.

These are accomplishments for you?? Canadians are actually dumber than Americans. Those US states with the gun nuts, opened up very quick and the economies are doing really well there. Florida, Texas. Compare to NY and California which are both collapsing.

By the way. I dont lean any way. Not left or right. I love guns, freedoms and opportunity with a stable competent party leading the goverments.

Tory, Ford and Trudeau are ALL elitists who cleaned up from the pandemic in different ways. They got richer while we got locked at home.

Pfizer made BILLIONS. How the fuck did you idiots let a private business force you to buy ther product. Imagine a private business that sold you a mandatory product. A product you inject.
 

jalimon

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Trudeau is the most dangerous man for Canada ever. He is trying to install Socialism. He committed treason and multiple ethics violations and got away with it. He formed a Socialist coup with Singh to maintain a false majority, which is sneaky and underhanded. He is sending millions of taxpayers money to foreign countries, he is letting in thousands of asylum seekers daily and giving them a free hotel and monthly paychecks, he has a mass immigration policy causing overcrowding and a housing crisis, he is putting more and more taxes (finding anyway to redistribute income), he jacked the scam carbon tax, he accumulated more debt then all prime ministers combined, he is worse then his father, Trudeau admires China's communist government and likes Fidel Castro, need I go on? There is the most despicable man ever, he will do anything to hold on to power. He is a power hungry SOB.
He’s not that men dude. Not sure what you’re smoking but must be good.
 

krealtarron

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Lowest unemployment is a nonsense statistic. Under employment is just as dangerous.
Nonsensical statement. Underemployment is on the job seeker. Unemployment is a macroeconomic indicator, and the fact that it is low under Trudeau, means credit to him.

Lowest poverty??? He literally printed money to give out for CERB. Of course there wont be any poverty with printed money. Food banks are reaching record levels. We are already seeing record inflation numbers and the printed money he injected will really be seen at 15% inflation in 2023! Any economist knows extra printed money takes 2 years to show as high inflation.
Inflation is due to various reasons. Blaming CERB for it is ridiculous. Sure CERB wasn't perfect, but these kinds of programs are never perfect.

Marijuana legalization is not a good thing. Its a drug amd edibles are also truly dangerous. It is a gateway drug for many maby people i've seen. If you compare alcohol to marijuana, you've already lost this debate.
It IS a good thing because the people wanted it. This gateway drug etc is bullshit. There is no good study that establishes a causal relationship between weed and other hard drugs.

Managing the pandemic by literally printing extra money and not having ANY oversight as to who gets CERB. I can assure at least a billion in CERB was fraudulently applied for. Im talking about fraud..not just lying about income.
CERB, Pandemic restrictions, vaccines etc., He didnt do a perfect job but show me 1 country the world over that actually received appreciation for pandemic management. All things considered he did do a good job.

By the way. I dont lean any way. Not left or right. I love guns, freedoms and opportunity with a stable competent party leading the goverments.
Nothing says you dont lean either way like saying you love guns and freedoms.

Pfizer made BILLIONS. How the fuck did you idiots let a private business force you to buy ther product. Imagine a private business that sold you a mandatory product. A product you inject.
Nobody forced you to get a vaccine. What are you on about?
 

shack

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Jalimon confirmed he supports Socialism. He should see how things are in Cuba and Venezuela. That is Trudeau's vision.
How about Sweden and the other Nordic States. By the way Cuba and Venezuela are hardly shining examples of democracies.

I believe Jalimon supports socialized medicine as opposed to overall socialism.

Do you support the concept of income tax. Having to share your income with other people is a much bigger form of socialism. Why aren't you campaigning for zero income tax?
 

shack

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Trudeau is the most dangerous man for Canada ever. He is trying to install Socialism. He committed treason and multiple ethics violations and got away with it. He formed a Socialist coup with Singh to maintain a false majority, which is sneaky and underhanded. He is sending millions of taxpayers money to foreign countries, he is letting in thousands of asylum seekers daily and giving them a free hotel and monthly paychecks, he has a mass immigration policy causing overcrowding and a housing crisis, he is putting more and more taxes (finding anyway to redistribute income), he jacked the scam carbon tax, he accumulated more debt then all prime ministers combined, he is worse then his father, Trudeau admires China's communist government and likes Fidel Castro, need I go on? There is the most despicable man ever, he will do anything to hold on to power. He is a power hungry SOB.
Did somebody mention something about being on cheap drugs?
 
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krealtarron

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What cheap drugs are you on? Trudeau is the biggest disaster ever. I never seen so much poverty. Homeless everywhere. The pandemic was a disaster too, too authoritarian and now we are all suffering due to government created inflation. The unemployment rate is low because less people are looking for work. For two years Trudeau gave out CERB and now apparently he made it much easier to collect EI.

Toronto is suffering from $2200 rents because of Trudeau's mass immigration policy. Way too many people entering and they all like to go to the GTA.
Firstly, Canada needs immigration. Canada is in a demographic decline and needs immigration. About 300,000 immigrants per year, is less than 1% of the population and they are responsible for rising real estate prices? What cheap right wing koolaid did you chug this morning? If at all that is true, then develop other parts of Ontario and immigrants will go there. Also it is objectively true that poverty is lowest currently. The pandemic management was not perfect, but he couldn't have done much else considering the circumstances. It was a net positive though.

Also what moronic hyperbole to call Trudeau the "the biggest disaster", "the most dangerous man" etc., I would much rather have Trudeau than some white supremacist nutjob like Pee Pee.
 
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shack

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You forgot about left wing tribalism. In Canada it is called TDS, Trudeau Devotee Syndrome.
It is not even close.

FYI, one of the key symptoms of tDS, is the inability to see reality. It is a cult mentality. You only see what your leaders tell you to see.

As I said, I assess each issue on a case by case basis. You are 100 cult material. tDS, indeed. You even admitted that in your opinion, Trudeau has done nothing right in all the years he's been our PM. A perfect example of an unrealistic tribal position. Just as no person or party is correct 100% of the time, no person or party is wrong 100% of the time.
 
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