Is Health Care in Canada really that bad?

[jalimon]

It is not very good and it is not very bad.

There are forces in Ontario that want to privatize parts of the health system. Ford and Al. Are using the familiar conservative playbook: starve the system such that people get disillusioned, and then present a solution: privatization.

In particular, nurses are being grossly underpaid and overworked. Shortages of nurses are the cause of most of the wait times.

The private sector push is even higher in Quebec. The public system actually sends many patients to be treated at private clinics and still covers the charges. Both to speed up the waiting list and because down the road it's not pricier for the government.

And the private sector in Montreal is especially strong in Plastic surgery. Some of the celebrity you see in Hollywood movie were 'made' in Montreal haha I know because I paid for the boobs of my ex after her second pregnancy. Now that we are separated it sucks to think someone else is playing with the boobs that I paid damn it!!!

 

[jalimon]

I do not understand why you would want politicians and bureaucrats to control healthcare? After what you seen for the past few years you still have not learned? It is a recipe for disaster. Let the specialists manage healthcare, they are trained and know the field better then all of us including politicians. Privatization would not be a bad thing if our taxes would be cut to by 50% a more.

Very simple answer dude. Single buyer. Government can cap the price. This is exactly why insulin cost 90% less in canada or europe then in the USA.

I trust bureaucrats and politicians more then insurer and private hospitals when it's time to fix the price.

 

[Javacup11]

Medical suicide is legal in Canada

 

[Y_Diner]

Still better here than the US. And proper Government knows Universal Healthcare is a basic necessity that needs to be provided to its citizens.
Unless it doesn’t view it’s taxpayers as citizens; but as consumers. Fords wet dream and Reaganomics 101.

 

[Uncharted]

Canada right now has the worst public healthcare system of any Westernized country that has public Healthcare. Full Stop.

 

[The Oracle]

My 2 cents is that our health care system isn't nearly as good as it was 30 years ago.

Less and less things seem to be covered and wait times to see specialists are longer.

Not to mention everyone in health care seems taxed out. Mentally and physically. Try getting someone to pick up a phone these days.

I always said if they want to raise my taxes and have it go directly to health care I'm all for it.

An aging population needs to be taken care of it and it's just not happening now.

 

[jalimon]

Canada right now has the worst public healthcare system of any Westernized country that has public Healthcare. Full Stop.

Stop trolling dude.

 

[Uncharted]

Stop trolling dude.

Name one that is worse.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Very simple answer dude. Single buyer. Government can cap the price. This is exactly why insulin cost 90% less in canada or europe then in the USA.

I trust bureaucrats and politicians more then insurer and private hospitals when it's time to fix the price.

The philosophy of Socialism, the equal sharing of misery. Yes the price might be capped but there is a shortage of specialists, family doctors, hospitals always over capacity, elective surgeries being postponed for several months to years. As for bureaucrats, lol I guess you are okay with them scamming you? While we get taxed to the max, Trudeau is living like a king zipping around in his private jet. I trust a car salesman more then a politician. They are all scum.

 

[NotADcotor]

But our provincial government has underspent to the tune of nearly a billion bucks this year on healthcare, and are now crying poor to Ottawa. At the same time, they are ignoring public health authorities who say maybe masking up right now would help the system....So, instead of minority inconveniencing people, Ford would rather see kids and adults get seriously sick and die...

Is it really different in any other province. I know someone who had to wait something like 12 hours+ in Montreal at emerg to see someone and this was before covid.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Is it really different in any other province. I know someone who had to wait something like 12 hours+ in Montreal at emerg to see someone and this was before covid.

The problem is all over Canada, some provinces are more worse but at the end it is all similar. The system clearly is not working and it needs to be completely overhauled. I find it amazing how some still want bureaucrats and politicians to control healthcare? They are not qualified, they are not doctors.

 

[NotADcotor]

The problem is all over Canada, some provinces are more worse but at the end it is all similar. The system clearly is not working and it needs to be completely overhauled. I find it amazing how some still want bureaucrats and politicians to control healthcare? They are not qualified, they are not doctors.

Part of it I think is the federal/provincial split. If the system is a shit show, nobody actually takes full blame, they just blame the other level of government.
There are other countries that run their public systems much better, I don't think it is that easy to just blame the government. I mean, yes you can blame the government, it it doesn't have to be the result of the government getting involved.

 

[richaceg]

Lol...I thank Canada health care for my health. Probably the best one can have. free tests and screening, free check up...surgeries are free...all you need is to hook up with a good family doctor. And observe your health regularly..and be patient in wait times....

 

[jalimon]

The philosophy of Socialism, the equal sharing of misery. Yes the price might be capped but there is a shortage of specialists, family doctors, hospitals always over capacity, elective surgeries being postponed for several months to years. As for bureaucrats, lol I guess you are okay with them scamming you? While we get taxed to the max, Trudeau is living like a king zipping around in his private jet. I trust a car salesman more then a politician. They are all scum.

There we go again... Someone associating sociolized healthcare to socialism... There is no sharing of misery. The basic we can do as human being is taking care of each other. You may get a cancer one day. Or a stroke.... It's a fucking lottery. The fact that you won't go broke has no price.

 

[Frankfooter]

Agreed. The problem is Trudeau. Federal funding of healthcare dropped to 21% but he has lots of money to send to foreign countries. Time he set his priorities straight to spend taxpayers money on Canada, not foreign countries.

Its not federal funding. Ford has $900 million in federal funding he refused to spend.
He could have paid nurses all he promised them and hired more, he chose not to do so.

Meanwhile Trudeau started national dental care.

There's lots we can do to make it better but it will take more money.

 

[shack]

How does it work? You get sick or do a routine check up. They say you need a specialist, have a cancer or need a surgery. Too bad the lineups are too long. You aren't rich so can't cross border to get the work done. You die.

Is this accurate?

No it's not.

It's an idiotic scenario.

Where are you from.

 

[bazokajoe]

It is about to be this bad as you describe. There will be many deaths in hospitals as our Premier (Governor equivalent) Doug Ford wants our healthcare system to collapse. He wants to privatize healthcare for profit. Ontario is going to be completely for sale soon. Already started with the greenbelt.

Please present proof of Ford wanting to privatize health care.
Other than the protesters using that unproven fact to try and get public sympathy.

 

[bazokajoe]

Its not federal funding. Ford has $900 million in federal funding he refused to spend.
He could have paid nurses all he promised them and hired more, he chose not to do so.

Meanwhile Trudeau started national dental care.

There's lots we can do to make it better but it will take more money.

Frank lets be honest.
You love Trudeau and everything he does. In your eyes he can do no wrong.

 

[shack]

I do not understand why you would want politicians and bureaucrats to control healthcare?

Why would you want big business to control healthcare. Their motivation is to max out profits for their shareholders.

 

[shack]

Please present proof of Ford wanting to privatize health care.

It is a philosophy of the right to minimize governmental involvement. Look at history. If we ignore it, we will repeat our mistakes.

Harper sold off our only facility that could manufacture vaccines on a large scale. That's why we had to scramble for covid vaccines from other countries.

Mike Harris sold off the 407 to make his books look better. Now that highway probably has the highest rates in the world because the consortium that owns it can charge whatever they want.

Ford wants to allow development in the greenbelt.

Privatization is what the righties are all about.