Looks like the number of women requiring deposits is growing day by day

[king priam]

When was the last time you read in the news of anyone being blackmailed by an escort?

You would be surprised. And it doesn't make the news. Blackmailing clients has been discussed on Twitter by escorts.

I personally know examples of guys who were doxxed.

Take a reality check. There are 100's of girls doing 1,000's of transactions. Are a couple of those girls interested in blackmailing clients?.... Yes.

Are a couple of those girls going to be sloppy with information?.... Yes.

There is at least 1 indy who routinely doxxed clients on social media if they no-showed her appointments. She took pride in doing it and treated it as a joke. I understand her frustration, but doxxing a guy and posting his face photo is the nuclear option in the situation. It's the guy's career, marriage, his entire life at stake.

 

[Morning Glory]

This is a very valid concern on both sides which I don't think there is a perfect solution for - just based on what the provider is comfortable with based on her personal experiences and what the client is comfortable with based on their personal experiences. I think reviews and reputation are paramount when deciding whether to go with a booking - regardless of deposits or information required. When you look at businesses outside of this industry who do require deposits and personally identifying information - they are businesses that just don't have time to waste on time wasting patrons anymore because they are not hurting for business. Hotels, spas, service providers who book well in advance for their services, restaurants with a reputation and can demand a deposit or credit card information. I think a lot of providers want to be recognized as a legitimate business and enforce regulations based on that. However, there is a real concern for privacy and legal repercussions to worry about on the client side, so it makes for a precarious position.

I can only speak for myself when I say.. why would a regular patron of mine not be cool with providing me a deposit if he already knows I am reliable and has seen me before? That pisses me off. Also, why would someone be against me asking for a $100 amazon gift card (as an alternative if someone is uncomfortable with etransfer or paypal methods) as a show of good faith and acceptable method of deposit when there is no identifying information there, is beyond me.

Not all clients give their real names to a SP, and if the client is a regular why would the Sp demand a deposit/gift card in the first place??

 

[escortsxxx]

You are not alone. A gent I'm working with on a long term project right now who we know each other both go to strip clubs and escorts time to time, brought this exact concern up with me in a chat - Enjoys Indy ladies but the screening process was limiting his choices.

My only advice I could give him, I give to you. Perhaps it's time to refocus on finding your ladies of choice from agencies. Once you have established your number or burner phone with them (typical practice is one voice call in from your number), assuming you are not already established with agencies you would work with, gives you the ability to keep your identity 100% anonymous and also agencies will never initiate contact with you is common practice we see, giving you the option to use your main phone versus a burner phone but ultimately your choice.

I understand it may not be your preference, but it is the path of least resistance to enjoying beautiful SP's and fully meeting your privacy requirements along with a proven long term solution to the growing challenge you face.

If I was younger I would set up a non id agency as well as no texting
Things in the modern world that bug me
No phone calls (texting) thought everyone new school seems to prefer it. To me it the mark of a scammer and other problems - it s like cookies good in good hands but horribly overall .
no ids anonymous only

and other additions.
That being said they would have to be security provisions perhaps a centralized verification double blind system.

Of course if I was a law maker I would improve the overall system -the current one will collapse eventually. It already is as other systems take there place

The police state is on its way bit by bit as I have had family exist in pre-tech police states it does not end well.

 

[escortsxxx]

You would be surprised. And it doesn't make the news. Blackmailing clients has been discussed on Twitter by escorts.

I personally know examples of guys who were doxxed.

Take a reality check. There are 100's of girls doing 1,000's of transactions. Are a couple of those girls interested in blackmailing clients?.... Yes.

Are a couple of those girls going to be sloppy with information?.... Yes.

There is at least 1 indy who routinely doxxed clients on social media if they no-showed her appointments. She took pride in doing it and treated it as a joke. I understand her frustration, but doxxing a guy and posting his face photo is the nuclear option in the situation. It's the guy's career, marriage, his entire life at stake.

Lol and don't forget the crazy ladies. One girl called a friend at all hours at all his phones looking for business despite being told that it was not a good thing. More than one agency owner has been verbally outed by there employees by accident . Drunks and drugs can make anything happen.

And where are the SD tests on the girls that other locals adopt? You think that should happen first as that is a pressing health concern.

 

[escortsxxx]

It doesn't bother me at all. I just dont see them if that's the case.

Im not jeopardizing my career reputation to have sex with a woman. hell no. There a plenty of SPs that will see you without requiring compromising info or a deposit.

The funny thing is alot of SP's are always on about their clients being unsatisfactory/not so great, the reason why is because good clients with alot to lose (good jobs/prospects) aren't going to risk it all to get their dick wet.

Its the pardox of good behaviour. My friend covers his phone camera with dark tape. Girls (not sps) mostly point this out and think he is a creaper . He points out that it actually protects there privacy but by doing it, they think about it, and jump on him letting others who do not care continue with open cams.
He also does it to protect his own privary. Ticktok for example says in the tems of service they record from you camera as they wish and use it material as they wish.

 

[MrMessi]

Opening a bank account isn't illegal, nor does it carry the possibility of blackmail, social and family ostracization, divorce(with attendant financial losses), and career destruction.

Seeing an SP does. And while I agree that the vast majority of providers are smart enough, and good enough people to not out a client, not all are. And desperate people WILL do desperate things, as will angry people, and sociopathic ones.

Some men on here have too much to lose to risk open identification.

Facts!

 

[lomotil]

Then there is the good old cash and carry rub and tug ( now often providing sp services) that doesn’t create an electronic, online paper trail and encourages anonymity. The owner of the New England Patriots liked them for that reason and was the victim of an LE sting not blackmail.

 

[Samranchoi]

Fact (appears others like to state facts about the women in the business). Based upon numbers? There are many more clients than there are providers. And I would guess where there are some providers that have “issues” I would say that there are probably many more clients that have “issue” as compared to Providers. In my experience, I have not personally encountered any provider where I have been threatened in any way. On the other hand, I have known guys who obviously had issues, and in some cases threatened the provider and/or her clients. I can tell many stories about these guys.

This industry provides choice and supposedly only “adults” participate who can make their own rational decisions. Providers decide to ask for deposits for whatever reason. That is their choice. As a client you have the choice to not see a provider or agency. What is so hard about this? All it takes is ONE bad apple and the consequences for the provider can be much more serious than for a client if that one “bad apple” sees a provider and has bad intentions.

This is so simple, you don’t want to pay a deposit, then don’t. You have 100% control over that. Why complain about it.

 

[vt102]

If you put in writing what you want, then provide a deposit...I think that is what the popo calls "bingo"? With the how the law is written, I doubt I'll ever pay for a deposit. No defense in court on that one...

 

[Frank Underwood]

If you put in writing what you want, then provide a deposit...I think that is what the popo calls "bingo"? With the how the law is written, I doubt I'll ever pay for a deposit. No defense in court on that one...

The thing is that C36 has been around for more than 5 years now and we have yet to see a single man being charged for just engaging in regular transactional sex. The charges continue to be against people involved in human trafficking and under age prostitution.

Looking back it seems like Harper was trying to appeal to radical feminists who feel that all Johns are bad and that eradicating the demand will somehow eliminate the supply. Common sense says otherwise since there will never be a day in which sex is not in demand. That’s why it is the oldest profession in history. I believe the majority of the girls involved in the trade are doing it voluntarily.

Personally I prefer escorts over massage parlour girls, but as someone said earlier, if you truly want to be anonymous on paper then stick to using those. Just be mindful that those parlours are full of cameras in the parking lot, lobby and sometimes the hallways where the rooms are. In this day and age if you want to be truly anonymous you have to become a hermit since google and apple and everyone is tracking and watching you.

 

[Toronto Girlfriends]

You would be surprised. And it doesn't make the news. Blackmailing clients has been discussed on Twitter by escorts.

I personally know examples of guys who were doxxed.

Take a reality check. There are 100's of girls doing 1,000's of transactions. Are a couple of those girls interested in blackmailing clients?.... Yes.

Are a couple of those girls going to be sloppy with information?.... Yes.

There is at least 1 indy who routinely doxxed clients on social media if they no-showed her appointments. She took pride in doing it and treated it as a joke. I understand her frustration, but doxxing a guy and posting his face photo is the nuclear option in the situation. It's the guy's career, marriage, his entire life at stake.

You are absolutely right, it does happen and it's wrong. We are not supportive of ridiculing or exposing clients publicly.

As you pointed out, there is 1 indy you know, and probably a handful more that are doing that. It certainly is not the norm. The same way that clients raping, robbing, forcing girls into unsafe services, etc.. is not the norm. Doxxing someone as you said it it's the nuclear option, the punishment doesn't fit the crime.

I don't think that client deserves to be exposed for not showing up, but we also feel that it's not fair for the sex worker to be no showed.

Ever since we started asking for deposits as part of our screening of clients, we have seen every single aspect of the business improve. It is not for everyone, and we never force anyone to go through the screening. On the other hand, you have people who take the time to become activists against escorts screening policies trying to say that all escorts are crazy when we are clearly not. Some of us are just trying to have a reputable business that respects the girls' right to feeling safe.

 

[explorerzip]

You are absolutely right, it does happen and it's wrong. We are not supportive of ridiculing or exposing clients publicly.

As you pointed out, there is 1 indy you know, and probably a handful more that are doing that. It certainly is not the norm. The same way that clients raping, robbing, forcing girls into unsafe services, etc.. is not the norm. Doxxing someone as you said it it's the nuclear option, the punishment doesn't fit the crime.

I don't think that client deserves to be exposed for not showing up, but we also feel that it's not fair for the sex worker to be no showed.

Ever since we started asking for deposits as part of our screening of clients, we have seen every single aspect of the business improve. It is not for everyone, and we never force anyone to go through the screening. On the other hand, you have people who take the time to become activists against escorts screening policies trying to say that all escorts are crazy when we are clearly not. Some of us are just trying to have a reputable business that respects the girls' right to feeling safe.

I don't understand how some guys feel that they're being forced to do screening. If anything, the so-called threat of being doxxed gives guy a moment of pause to think things through clearly before booking.

 

[dirtydaveiii]

Lol and don't forget the crazy ladies. One girl called a friend at all hours at all his phones looking for business despite being told that it was not a good thing. More than one agency owner has been verbally outed by there employees by accident . Drunks and drugs can make anything happen.

And where are the SD tests on the girls that other locals adopt? You think that should happen first as that is a pressing health concern.

Quite a few years ago I had an SP attempt to out me as well as an asshole with a review site. I have also on a few different occasions had an SP text me hours or even days after I tried to contact. And they wonder why I use a text app lol

 

[dirtydaveiii]

The thing is that C36 has been around for more than 5 years now and we have yet to see a single man being charged for just engaging in regular transactional sex. The charges continue to be against people involved in human trafficking and under age prostitution.

Looking back it seems like Harper was trying to appeal to radical feminists who feel that all Johns are bad and that eradicating the demand will somehow eliminate the supply. Common sense says otherwise since there will never be a day in which sex is not in demand. That’s why it is the oldest profession in history. I believe the majority of the girls involved in the trade are doing it voluntarily.

Personally I prefer escorts over massage parlour girls, but as someone said earlier, if you truly want to be anonymous on paper then stick to using those. Just be mindful that those parlours are full of cameras in the parking lot, lobby and sometimes the hallways where the rooms are. In this day and age if you want to be truly anonymous you have to become a hermit since google and apple and everyone is tracking and watching you.

Human trafficking arrests in St. Thomas, Ont.

13 men have been charged following a human trafficking investigation in St. Thomas, Ont.

london.ctvnews.ca

 

[blueray]

There is no need to send personal information or deposits to visit a wonderful, beautiful woman who provides great service. There are literally hundreds of them. This is the kind of thing that this board is for, and all the information you need is here, so use it wisely to find that person you want to see.

 

[Jenesis]

pipe down karen, you aint that special, and the world aint gonna suffer because of your imaginary list, stop trying to act like your an essential service. now im gonna go back to watching my sundal nfl football package.

Why don’t you pipe down Kevin? LOL

No one is forcing you to see anyone or pay anything or give ID. You have options. There are hundreds of women out there. Pick one of them. Stop acting like your so hard done by.

There are thousands of clients out there, trust me / they ain’t gonna hurt for this.

Neither side will effect the other so relax. It sounds so stupid when a guy bitches about a girl or company they will never use anyways. Stop trying to act like your so important that you or your lack of money matter to this agency at all.

 

[Jenesis]

I didn’t notice until now but this true irony here.

I have no fear of saying this. The OP is known for being as a time waster to many indies. I don’t recall if he has been a no show as well to ladies because I will never reply to him anyway because of his rep. He will PM about appointments and never respond back when replied too. Then two months later, message again and never reply. I can’t recall for sure if he is listed as a no show but He is a perfect example of why deposits are required before ladies get into anything. Maybe indies are only charging him a deposit because he is a known time waster.

 

[escortsxxx]

Why don’t you pipe down Kevin? LOL

No one is forcing you to see anyone or pay anything or give ID. You have options. There are hundreds of women out there. Pick one of them. Stop acting like your so hard done by.

There are thousands of clients out there, trust me / they ain’t gonna hurt for this.

Neither side will effect the other so relax. It sounds so stupid when a guy bitches about a girl or company they will never use anyways. Stop trying to act like your so important that you or your lack of money matter to this agency at all.

I disgree . this forum et al. decide industry standsrds. fs bareback eas acceptable now its not. bjs were freaky now they are not. some issued stay individual choice others become law. these early steps decide the way

 

[Jenesis]

I disgree . this forum et al. decide industry standsrds. fs was acceptable now its not. bjs were freaky now they are not. some issued stay individual choice others become law. these early steps decide the way

This forum doesn’t do that at all. This forum makes up maybe 10% of our clientele.

And since when is FS not longer available. That is literally our job. You make no sense.

 

[escortsxxx]

This forum doesn’t do that at all. This forum makes up maybe 10% of our clientele.

And since when is FS not longer available. That is literally our job. You make no sense.

Your right in the modern version.my bad