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In the 21st century, anti-Zionism means anti-Semitism

basketcase

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You're posting antisemitic tropes again, CM.
Its not antisemitic to criticize Israeli government policy.
That's a criticism on the government, not the people.

By the way, B'tselem is an Israeli organization.
But you keep telling me it's racist to criticize Hamas. Hmm.
 

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btselem is an anti-semitic org that hired holocaust deniers


Holocaust deniers in B'Tselem
Op-ed: Organization is not dealing with human rights, but encourages anti-Semitism. It's not about criticizing Israel's actions or about healing world; it's about Jewish support of fabricated blood libels meant to assist Hamas.


Holocaust deniers in B'Tselem (ynetnews.com)

Israeli rights group admits employee denied Holocaust | The Times of Israel

B’Tselem Admits Field Researcher Denies Holocaust, Orders Investigation | The Jewish Press - JewishPress.com | Tzvi Zucker / Tazpit News Agency | 12 Tishri 5775 – October 6, 2014 | JewishPress.com
In more local holocaust denier news,
 

krealtarron

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The fundamental problem with the Israel/Palestine issue is that both these guys are racist and in many ways extremist.

I used to have an Israeli friend. He was so rabidly racist towards Arabs it was sickening. He basically didn't consider them human. He was also kinda always biased towards Jewish people - maybe it was more of an in-group thing. His solution to the palestine issue was to "nuke them". Maybe that was hyperbole but still why would you say that? I have also seen videos of Israelis cheering on as bombs fell on Gaza. You also saw the video of a soldier who walked up to a guy who tried to stab someone, and shoot him in the head while he was down and detained. There are groups in Israel that campaign for Jewish women to not marry Arabs. The majority of Israelis say they wont even live next to an Israeli-Arab neighbour.

Similarly, the palestinians are racist as well. The Hamas teaches all kinds of shit to the kids there such as "death to Israel" etc., I dont have to list their cultural issues here, you know it.

Basically they dont treat each other as human beings. They are racist towards each other and the issue is one of religion, culture, race, historical claims to the land and ethnicity.

This problem will never be solved. In a way they deserve each other.
 

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The fundamental problem with the Israel/Palestine issue is that both these guys are racist and in many ways extremist.

I used to have an Israeli friend. He was so rabidly racist towards Arabs it was sickening. He basically didn't consider them human. He was also kinda always biased towards Jewish people - maybe it was more of an in-group thing. His solution to the palestine issue was to "nuke them". Maybe that was hyperbole but still why would you say that? I have also seen videos of Israelis cheering on as bombs fell on Gaza. You also saw the video of a soldier who walked up to a guy who tried to stab someone, and shoot him in the head while he was down and detained. There are groups in Israel that campaign for Jewish women to not marry Arabs. The majority of Israelis say they wont even live next to an Israeli-Arab neighbour.

Similarly, the palestinians are racist as well. The Hamas teaches all kinds of shit to the kids there such as "death to Israel" etc., I dont have to list their cultural issues here, you know it.

Basically they dont treat each other as human beings. They are racist towards each other and the issue is one of religion, culture, race, historical claims to the land and ethnicity.

This problem will never be solved. In a way they deserve each other.
I would suspect that as with every political conflict, the vast majority of people just want to get on with their lives and are willing to compromise to do so.

The question is how the people can get leaders that are willing to move forward.
 
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Nothing to do with the PA refusing to engage and Hamas rejecting the concept right? Nothing to do with 2/3 of Palestinians oppose negotiations of the fact that far more think "armed action" is a better option than negotiations?
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As an example, the last time there were possibilities of talks, Israeli unilaterally froze all construction in the West Bank but Abbas spent those 10 months refusing to enter talks.

Sadly your view is Israel should force Palestinians against their will to become Israelis which would also require Israel to disarm all Palestinian militias.


You should stop pretending to speak for Palestinians when you refuse to listen to what they say and continue to believe they are not capable of responsibility for their actions.
You're surprised that after 20 years of Oslo Accords, where Israel stalled while they created 'facts on the ground', that Palestinians aren't keen on peace talks?
They know Israel will do the same again, stall and steal more land.
And will they get that land back ever?


There should be a negotiated two state peace but there is no giving "back" land.
This is exactly what you've wanted.
More settler colonialism and land theft.
More apartheid.

So now you've got a massive, angry native population living under illegal military occupation that's considering armed resistance, as is their right.
If you don't want armed resistance and you won't hand back the land then no wonder that that the most popular plan is BDS.

82.8% of Palestinians support BDS.

I support BDS, you should too.
Its the best non-violent option left now.
 

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B'nai Brith is hardly an unbiased source, as is 'honest reporting'. Their allegations are about as honest as a canadaman post.
If you have evidence against this guy, present it.
If the guy is a holocaust denier I'll back you up, but since the allegation comes from honest reporting its likely bullshit.

"We have the right to attend any event, especially if it is related to Palestine and the Middle East. We are not antisemitic, and we have never spoken badly about Jews in Canada or other countries. Rather, we criticize the Israeli occupation policy and stand by the Palestinian people," he said.
 

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I would suspect that as with every political conflict, the vast majority of people just want to get on with their lives and are willing to compromise to do so.

The question is how the people can get leaders that are willing to move forward.
But you've stated that you don't think Israel should compromise.

There should be a negotiated two state peace but there is no giving "back" land.
 
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one of Israel’s most celebrated heroes is an Arab policeman


Israel’s Terror Wave: The Arab Officer Who Became a National Hero
Amir Khoury, an Arab-Israeli officer, rushed to the scene of a terror attack and fought the shooter. He was the second Arab cop to die in the current wave of terror attacks, two of which were conducted by Arab-Israelis


Media coverage in Israel in recent days focused on the fact that two of the deadly terror attacks that have shocked the country were committed by Arab citizens of Israel – a worrying development that casts a dark shadow on Jewish-Arab relations.

But that’s only one part of the story. Just as significant is the fact that two of those killed in the latest terror wave were Arab-Israeli policemen who lost their lives protecting others.

Amir Khoury, 32, grew up in an Arab-Christian family in northern Israel and joined the Israel Police, as other members of his family had done before him. On Tuesday night, while on assignment in the central Israeli city of Bnei Brak, he rushed to the scene of a shooting attack after hearing about it on his radio.

Riding a motorcycle, Khoury identified the Palestinian gunman who was carrying out the attack and opened fire on him. He was killed by one of the attacker’s final bullets, but played an important role in stopping him before other innocent civilians were harmed. His partner, whose name has not been made public, eventually killed the terrorist.

Khoury’s funeral took place on Thursday in his hometown of Nof Hagalil, with members of Bnei Brak’s ultra-Orthodox community in attendance to honor the officer for his life-saving actions.

Just a day before Khoury’s death, another young Arab man in uniform was also laid to rest. Yazan Falah, a 19-year-old Border Police officer from the Druze village of Kisra-Sumei in northern Israel, was killed Sunday in an ISIS-inspired shooting attack in Hadera.

According to his family, Falah wanted to join the Border Police in order to serve in the same unit other members of his family had served in before him. His uncle, Louis Falah said that his nephew “felt he belonged to the Border Police family and was proud of his service,” calling the death “a very painful tragedy.”

 

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Great, they arrested this guy and charged him.
As they should.

Now what makes you think this was 'pro-Palestinian activism'?
How do you know he wasn't encouraged by reading Kanye's crap?

Pro-Palestinian activism is filled with anti-jewish and terror apologism and support. It's all documented
 

krealtarron

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Pro-Palestinian activism is filled with anti-jewish and terror apologism and support. It's all documented
Yeah if that is the case, here is what pro-Israeli activism looks like.

 

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Ah, so your comment is a racist stereotype based on your own hatred and not any facts.
Glad to clear that up.


pot meets kettle



refuses to condemn anti-Jewish hate crimes committed by anti-Jewish gangs






franky continues to sink deeper and deeper into anti-jewish terrorism. franky defends a mapping project in Massacheusets
anti-jewish activists create a list of jewish organizations for antisemitic purposes
 

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Yeah if that is the case, here is what pro-Israeli activism looks like.

did you notice that Hamas constantly firing rockets into Israel?

an old video passed around by terror apologists on twitter does not mean that all pro-israel types are like that. and notice the video has comments disabled
 

krealtarron

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did you notice that Hamas constantly firing rockets into Israel?

an old video passed around by terror apologists on twitter does not mean that all pro-israel types are like that. and notice the video has comments disabled
OMG Comments were disabled cuz Youtube comments are the most informative ever! lol foh

Hamas fires rockets because Israel invades. Its war. One side alone cannot be blamed.
 
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OMG Comments were disabled cuz Youtube comments are the most informative ever! lol foh

Hamas fires rockets because Israel invades. Its war. One side alone cannot be blamed.

dude you are repeating terrorist propaganda

Israel no longer occupied Gaza

between 1949 and 1967 The Gaza Strip was part of Egypt and the West bank was Part of Jordan. those lands were annexed by Egypt and Jordan

nobody was calling for a Palestinian state nobody was complaining about the occupation of those lands
 

krealtarron

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dude you are repeating terrorist propaganda

Israel no longer occupied Gaza

between 1949 and 1967 The Gaza Strip was part of Egypt and the West bank was Part of Jordan. those lands were annexed by Egypt and Jordan

nobody was calling for a Palestinian state nobody was complaining about the occupation of those lands
Yes then in 1967 Israel occupied both territories and since have instituted extremely oppressive measures. Not to mention have engaged in all kinds of atrocities including forced evictions to create jewish settlements.

Dont even try the "terrorist propaganda" bit with me. It is standard rhetoric with pro-Israel partisans.
 

Frankfooter

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dude you are repeating terrorist propaganda

Israel no longer occupied Gaza
Not according to the UN, Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem and others.
Though, if IIRC, you also called all of those 'terrorist propaganda'.

But if you're looking for terrorism you should start with the Kahanist, Ben-Gvir.
You wouldn't be supporting terrorist propaganda yourself, would you?

Ben Gvir’s dream ministry brings Kahane’s vision one step closer
With the portfolio he’s craved, the far-right lawmaker can accelerate Israel’s colonial violence against Palestinians on both sides of the Green Line.
 
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