In the 21st century, anti-Zionism means anti-Semitism

[canada-man]

No, that's not what it means at all and the partial quote is exactly the type of intentional misrepresentation that can get you banned here.
The full sentence says :'
True, they probably all want Palestine returned back to them.
That's a fair argument, after all, as you've admitted, its an illegal occupation.'

Basketcase has for years been arguing that for the two state solution, now you say returning Palestinian land to Palestinians to create the two state solution is 'ethnic cleansing'.
You think ending an illegal occupation is 'ethnic cleansing'?
How can you be so far out to claim that the two state solution is ethnic cleansing?

Retract your lies.

There was no Palestine between 1949 and 1967 When Egypt annext Gaza and Jordan annexed the West Bank

why do you pro-palestinian types ignore 1949-1967

Occupation of the Gaza Strip by the United Arab Republic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Jordanian annexation of the West Bank - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Frankfooter]

There was no Palestine between 1949 and 1967 When Egypt annext Gaza and Jordan annexed the West Bank

Whatever, dude.
You accused me of supporting ethnic cleansing and its very clear I didn't.
Man up and apologize for slandering me.

 

[basketcase]

...
True, they probably all want Palestine returned back to them.
That's a fair argument, after all, as you've admitted, its an illegal occupation.'
...

You think the expulsion of Jews is a fair argument?

Sadly in your mind, the Two state peace would be a Palestinian state and a state called Israel with no Jews.


You want Palestinians forced to become Israelis even though they the people hate the idea, the PA rejects it out of hand and Hamas sees violence against civilians as a means to eliminate the Jewish presence.

All you do is spew ridiculous double standards and justify terrorism.

 

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You think the expulsion of Jews is a fair argument?

Never mentioned it, basketcase. This was in reference to the two state solution, which I assume you also understand isn't ethnic cleansing. Of course, given your support of the racist apartheid, settler colonial ways it should be stated clearly. As I would expect that you could likely think the two state solution = ethnic cleansing, which may in fact be why you support it.
While I think that the two state solution should just lead to different government control, perhaps more in line with Israel proper, where both Palestinians and Israeli Jews can mostly live in peace.
Except for those 'death to Arab' type marches your new Interior Minister seems to love.

Sadly in your mind, the Two state peace would be a Palestinian state and a state called Israel with no Jews.

You have less idea what is in my mind than you do what is in Palestinian minds.
The two state solution should just change government control, so people living in settlements can live in the freedom and peace that Israeli Palestinians enjoy inside the green line.

Only a truly racist, apartheid supporter would think that the two state solution = ethnic cleansing.
Then again, you did support the two state solution for years here, do you really only support it because you think it will lead to ethnic cleansing?

You want Palestinians forced to become Israelis even though they the people hate the idea, the PA rejects it out of hand and Hamas sees violence against civilians as a means to eliminate the Jewish presence.

Stope claiming you know what I think. All you are doing is trying to create straw man arguments because you lost the debate years ago. Its dishonest, cheap and tawdry.
82.8% of Palestinians support BDS.
I back Palestinian BDS.

You back apartheid.

 

[basketcase]

Never mentioned it, basketcase. ...

Yet that's exactly what you posted.

The only option you've supported is Israel forcing the Palestinians to become Israelis against their will. And we both know the only reason you say that is you hope Palestinians will vote away rights and residency for Jews, just like numerous Arab countries did to their own citizens after 1949.

And why do you keep pretending to advocate for Palestinians while completely ignoring what they say.

Polling is clear.


PA Politicians are clear that they reject the idea of One State. Hamas is clear that they won't accept any permanent peace that includes a Jewish presence.

Do you see how hypocritical it is of you to demand Israel invade Gaza to disarm Hamas and other terrorist factions and remove all militias in the West Bank to force One State upon them? The only reason I could see you wanting this is it allows you to continue demonizing Israel when they shoot back at Palestinian gunmen trying to stop arrests.

 

[basketcase]

Whatever, dude.
You accused me of supporting ethnic cleansing and its very clear I didn't.
Man up and apologize for slandering me.

Your usual response to facts.

There should be a negotiated two state peace but there is no giving "back" land. The West Bank and Gaza were Ottoman, British Mandate before Gaza became Egyptian ruled and the West Bank was annexed by Jordan.

But of course you don't want to talk about the history because you'd have to admit the modern start to the conflict was locals using violence against the Jewish minority to protest immigration, just like we see from the yee-haw Texas types.



p.s. I see you don't want to talk about the Israeli Arab kidnapped from a hospital by Palestinian gunmen to ransom his body or the bombs on Jerusalem buses.

 

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Yet that's exactly what you posted.

That's bullshit.
Prove it.

The only option you've supported is Israel forcing the Palestinians to become Israelis against their will.

I support BDS, that has nothing to do with forcing anyone to becoming Israeli.
You support apartheid, which is forcing Palestinians to live under illegal occupation against their will.
And killing them if they protest, as you supported with the Great March of Return.

82.8% of Palestinians support BDS.

And why do you keep pretending to advocate for Palestinians while completely ignoring what they say.

82.8% of Palestinians support BDS.

PA Politicians are clear that they reject the idea of One State. Hamas is clear that they won't accept any permanent peace that includes a Jewish presence.

82.8% of Palestinians support BDS.

Do you see how hypocritical it is of you to demand Israel invade Gaza to disarm Hamas

What an incredibly stupid and dishonest straw man argument, basketcase.
Don't you ever feel disgusted with yourself when you do crap like that?

I support BDS.
82.8% of Palestinians support BDS.

There should be a negotiated two state peace but there is no giving "back" land.

Ah, so you support Israel taking land by force because you also think they should be able to keep it.
No 'giving back' Palestine.

Just like Israel's again PM.

Netanyahu: Not One Meter of Area C to be Conceded

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says that there are no plans to deliver any lands from West Bank Area C to Palestinians.In a meeting for Likud min ...

imemc.org

Lets add taking land by military force to settler colonialism and apartheid to the policies you really support.
I'm surprised you're not backing Putin for doing the same in Ukraine.

 

[basketcase]

That's bullshit.
Prove it.

...

No, that's not what it means at all and the partial quote is exactly the type of intentional misrepresentation that can get you banned here.
The full sentence says :'
True, they probably all want Palestine returned back to them.
That's a fair argument, after all, as you've admitted, its an illegal occupation.'

Basketcase has for years been arguing that for the two state solution, now you say returning Palestinian land to Palestinians to create the two state solution is 'ethnic cleansing'.
You think ending an illegal occupation is 'ethnic cleansing'?
How can you be so far out to claim that the two state solution is ethnic cleansing?

Retract your lies.

You refuse to suggest anything that will actually move things forward and produce any kind of peace and keep making excuses for Palestinian fascist groups who think violence against civilians is a good thing.

You are the most transparent combination of anti-semitism and White Man's Burden racism.


p.s. Seems the Palestinian people don't want what you're selling, don't want negotiations, and nearly half think violence is a solution.





But that's only what Palestinians say. You know better.

 

[Frankfooter]

You refuse to suggest anything that will actually move things forward and produce any kind of peace and keep making excuses for Palestinian fascist groups who think violence against civilians is a good thing.

You are the most transparent combination of anti-semitism and White Man's Burden racism.

This is about what you claimed you supported as the peace plan, the two state solution.
Now you're claiming that its antisemitic or something for Palestinians to want the illegally occupied territories of Palestine returned to them.
This is a massive about face from you, for years you at least pretended you wanted peace and supported the two state solution.

Instead you're now claiming its all been about colonization all along.
You're arguing that whatever land Israel has been able to steal by military force they should be allowed to keep.

There should be a negotiated two state peace but there is no giving "back" land.

Somehow you now think its anti semitic to call for the end of apartheid, UN resolutions honoured and basic human rights given to Palestinians.
Then you turn around and try to tar me as the one supporting colonialism?
Amazing.

Even the PA says the two state solution is done, while all you can offer is its epitaph 'no giving land back'.
“Anybody serious about the two-state solution must help salvage the Palestinian state,” he said. “The alternative is what we are living under now — a regime that has combined the evils of colonialism and apartheid.”

I remind you:
82.8% of Palestinians support BDS.

This is now the best, most peaceful way forward to end apartheid rule.
Its time for you to stop supporting racism, colonialism and apartheid.

 

[basketcase]

This is about what you claimed you supported as the peace plan, the two state solution.
...

Yes. I absolutely support a negotiated two state peace and have condemned all groups that prevent it. You demand a One State peace that Palestinians hate.

And yes, wanting all of Palestine is calling for the removal of Jews. Even if you wanted to pretend that you're referring only to the West Bank and Gaza, expelling Jewish Israelis (but allowing Arab israelis) would be ethnic cleansing. (that said, it will be necessary as Palestinian leadership have been absolutely against Jews living in a Palestinian state).

Your attempts to warp my statement is also dumb. There has never been a Palestinian state so there is no "back". There should be a Palestinian state alongside Israel but since the beginning of the modern conflict, no Palestinian leaders have been willing to accept the existence of a Jewish majority state.



And no surprise you want to ignore what Palestinians say because listening to them would mean you'd have to acknowledge that there are some significant road blocks to peace from that side.

 

[basketcase]

I'm sure you'll add this guy to your list of Palestinians 'murdered' by Israel.

Terror fighter killed near Jenin helped plan abduction of Israeli’s body — report

Islamic Jihad commander Mohammed Ayman Saadi said to have been present when gunmen snatched Druze teen Tiran Fero's body from hospital, directed talks that led to its release

www.timesofisrael.com

Rips an Arab Israeli kid off life support to hold his body hostage and gets killed while trying to gun down an Israeli arrest party but we both know he'll be included in your complaints.


And more of your "self defence"
https://www.timesofisrael.com/attackers-open-fire-on-bus-in-west-bank-but-no-injuries/

 

[Frankfooter]

Yes. I absolutely support a negotiated two state peace and have condemned all groups that prevent it. You demand a One State peace that Palestinians hate.

You're stuck in the past. The two state solution is dead, killed by 'facts on the ground'. That same land you say will not be given back.

There should be a negotiated two state peace but there is no giving "back" land.

You're stuck in the past with the polls you quote, the latest numbers show neither the two state solution or one state solution are very popular, nor or their numbers that different.
Support for the two-state solution rises from 28% to 37% •
Support for a one-state solution with equal rights rises from 22% to 30%

If you want to back the solution that Palestinians don't hate its this:
82.8% of Palestinians support BDS.

And yes, wanting all of Palestine is calling for the removal of Jews.

No its not, that's hate speech against the Palestinian people.
Clearly they can live in peace with the Jewish people as you keep claiming they do inside the green line.

Your attempts to warp my statement is also dumb. There has never been a Palestinian state so there is no "back". There should be a Palestinian state alongside Israel but since the beginning of the modern conflict, no Palestinian leaders have been willing to accept the existence of a Jewish majority state.

The only legally mandated and internationally recognized borders are the UN Partition borders which created the Palestinian state Israel now occupies.
Only you say Israel will never give back that land so there is zero chance of the unpopular two and impossible two state solution you claim to back.

There should be a negotiated two state peace but there is no giving "back" land.

And no surprise you want to ignore what Palestinians say because listening to them would mean you'd have to acknowledge that there are some significant road blocks to peace from that side.

Stop lying, its pathetic.
I quote the support for BDS endlessly here showing that I back the solutions that Palestinians want.
Its you that is forcing settler colonialism and apartheid on Palestinians.
Its you that is ignoring what Palestinians want.

82.8% of Palestinians support BDS.

 

[Frankfooter]

I'm sure you'll add this guy to your list of Palestinians 'murdered' by Israel.

Terror fighter killed near Jenin helped plan abduction of Israeli’s body — report

Islamic Jihad commander Mohammed Ayman Saadi said to have been present when gunmen snatched Druze teen Tiran Fero's body from hospital, directed talks that led to its release

www.timesofisrael.com

Rips an Arab Israeli kid off life support to hold his body hostage and gets killed while trying to gun down an Israeli arrest party but we both know he'll be included in your complaints.


And more of your "self defence"
https://www.timesofisrael.com/attackers-open-fire-on-bus-in-west-bank-but-no-injuries/

So support BDS, the end of apartheid, the end of the occupation and a peaceful resolution.
Instead you keep pushing for more violence, more wars, more apartheid, more racism and more hatred.

82.8% of Palestinians support BDS.

 

[canada-man]

Terrorist Authority celebrates dead “children as a sacrifice for Jerusalem and the cause”

Many more Palestinian children likely to die fulfilling the PA’s expectations: Attack Israel and die as “Martyrs”

PA: “Jenin… is perfumed every day in the musk [scent] of Martyrdom”

PA: “Jenin, it is Allah’s choice that you should be a gushing spring of Martyrs and Martyrdom”
Palestinian children and youth are in grave danger. The PA has announced that it wants them dead – literally offered as “sacrifice for Jerusalem and the cause.”

Many of the terrorists who have been killed in recent terror attacks have come from the cities of Jenin and Nablus. To reinforce the terror and encourage more young people to seek Martyrdom, the PA produced and broadcast a filler on its official TV station showing funerals of dead terrorists in Jenin. It praises the city for “sacrificing” its children – as “heroes” and brags: “Jenin is exporting freedom to the world, and presenting its children as a sacrifice for Jerusalem and the [Palestinian] cause.” The PA further turns the terror and Martyrdom into religious worship saying that it is “Allah’s choice”: He has chosen Jenin as “a gushing spring of Martyrs and Martyrdom”:

Narrator: “Hello Jenin, hello to your heroes… Jenin is exporting freedom to the world, and presenting its children as a sacrifice for Jerusalem and the [Palestinian] cause. Jenin, O our beautiful bride, which is perfumed every day in the musk [scent] of Martyrdom. Jenin, the thorn in the occupation’s throat… Jenin, it is Allah’s choice that you should be a gushing spring of Martyrs and Martyrdom.”

[Official PA TV, Sept. 28, 2022]

This PA child “sacrifice” promotion is part of an ongoing PA strategy. On World Children’s Day earlier this week, Palestinian Media Watch exposed the real reason why so many Palestinian kids die in terror attacks. The PA has brainwashed generations of kids to seek Martyrdom-death for Allah and “Palestine” in terror attacks and violent confrontations with Israel, promising them honor, glory, and fame, a place by the prophets in Allah’s Paradise and last but not least – a wedding to the 72 Virgins.

Instead of blaming Israel for the killed Palestinian children, the UN should be branding the PA as guilty of child abuse, sacrificing their own children for political gain.

PA celebrates dead "children as a sacrifice for Jerusalem and the cause" | PMW Analysis

PA guide to pride: Attack Israel, die as “Martyrs,” get married in Paradise.

palwatch.org

 

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Terrorist Authority celebrates dead “children as a sacrifice for Jerusalem and the cause”

Your sources are sad, angry and racist.
Itamar Marcus took his PMW to court and the judge said he's not a trustworthy source.

This is what a legit and internationally respected source looks like.

A Threshold Crossed

The 213-page report, “A Threshold Crossed: Israeli Authorities and the Crimes of Apartheid and Persecution,” examines Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. It presents the present-day reality of a single authority, the Israeli government, ruling primarily over the area between the Jordan River and...

www.hrw.org

 

[canada-man]

Your sources are sad, angry and racist.
Itamar Marcus took his PMW to court and the judge said he's not a trustworthy source.

This is what a legit and internationally respected source looks like.

A Threshold Crossed

The 213-page report, “A Threshold Crossed: Israeli Authorities and the Crimes of Apartheid and Persecution,” examines Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. It presents the present-day reality of a single authority, the Israeli government, ruling primarily over the area between the Jordan River and...

www.hrw.org

Human Rights Watch’s anti-Israel Agenda
Gerald SteinbergIsrael Affairs
December 17, 2020
Abstract
The influence of Human Rights Watch (HRW) is reflected in the organisation’s intense involvement in institutions that emphasise human rights, including the United Nations and the International Criminal Court. However, HRW and its leaders have been strongly criticised for intense political and ideological bias against Israel and for proliferating unsubstantiated accusations to fit this bias. This article documents the role of Kenneth Roth, Executive Director since 1993, in this politicisation. Roth’s direct involvement with Israel-focused activities is fundamentally different from his role on other topics and countries on HRW’s agenda, and contrasts strongly with norms of universality and political neutrality.

Human Rights Watch’s anti-Israel Agenda » ngomonitor

Professor Gerald M. Steinberg discusses how HRW and its leaders have been strongly criticised for intense political and ideological bias against Israel.

www.ngo-monitor.org

 

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Human Rights Watch’s anti-Israel Agenda » ngomonitor

Professor Gerald M. Steinberg discusses how HRW and its leaders have been strongly criticised for intense political and ideological bias against Israel.

www.ngo-monitor.org

Your sources are sad, angry and racist.

NGO Monitor (Non-governmental Organization Monitor) is a right-wing non-governmental organization based in Jerusalem that reports on international NGO activity from a pro-Israel perspective.[4][5][6][7]

The organization was founded in 2001 by Gerald M. Steinberg under the auspices of the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs,[8] before becoming a legally and financially independent organization in 2007.[9]

NGO Monitor has been criticized by academic figures, diplomats, and journalists for allowing its research and conclusions to be driven by politics,[10][11][12] for not examining right-wing NGOs,[12] and for putting out misleading information.[13] NGO Monitor states that its mission is to "end the practice used by certain self-declared 'humanitarian NGOs' of exploiting the label 'universal human rights values' to promote politically and ideologically motivated agendas".[1] A number of academics have written that NGO Monitor's aims and activities are political in nature.[12][14][11]

The organization's leader Gerald M. Steinberg has reportedly worked for the Israeli Foreign Ministry and the Office of the Prime Minister while heading NGO Monitor.[15]

 

[canada-man]

Your sources are sad, angry and racist.

NGO Monitor (Non-governmental Organization Monitor) is a right-wing non-governmental organization based in Jerusalem that reports on international NGO activity from a pro-Israel perspective.[4][5][6][7]

The organization was founded in 2001 by Gerald M. Steinberg under the auspices of the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs,[8] before becoming a legally and financially independent organization in 2007.[9]

NGO Monitor has been criticized by academic figures, diplomats, and journalists for allowing its research and conclusions to be driven by politics,[10][11][12] for not examining right-wing NGOs,[12] and for putting out misleading information.[13] NGO Monitor states that its mission is to "end the practice used by certain self-declared 'humanitarian NGOs' of exploiting the label 'universal human rights values' to promote politically and ideologically motivated agendas".[1] A number of academics have written that NGO Monitor's aims and activities are political in nature.[12][14][11]

The organization's leader Gerald M. Steinberg has reportedly worked for the Israeli Foreign Ministry and the Office of the Prime Minister while heading NGO Monitor.[15]

this from somebody who constantly quote from anti-jewish and terrorist liked websites

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/in-the-21st-century-anti-zionism-means-anti-semitism.779680/page-2#post-7473453

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/in-the-21st-century-anti-zionism-means-anti-semitism.779680/post-7485445

quoting the Palestinian Centre for Human Right who are linked to the PLPF terrorist organization

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/in-the-21st-century-anti-zionism-means-anti-semitism.779680/post-7474750

quoting btselem an anti-semitic website who was caught hiring holocaust deniers

defends hamas claiming that it is islamophobic to call hamas terrrorists

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/in-the-21st-century-anti-zionism-means-anti-semitism.779680/post-7671619

still refuses to condemn hamas

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/in-the-21st-century-anti-zionism-means-anti-semitism.779680/post-7710057

 

[Frankfooter]

this from somebody who constantly quote from anti-jewish and terrorist liked websites

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/in-the-21st-century-anti-zionism-means-anti-semitism.779680/page-2#post-7473453

We did this already once this last week.
Your links are bullshit and you had to admit they don't say what you claim.

Here, you should take this course from Amnesty.
Welcome to Amnesty's course on Deconstructing Israel's apartheid against Palestinians!
Apartheid is a crime against humanity.
Unpack what apartheid is, understand relevant international law, and learn how the oppression and domination of Palestinians by Israel amounts to apartheid. By the end of the course, you will be able to...
Define the characteristics of the human rights violation and crime of apartheid in international law
Explain how the oppression and domination of Palestinians by Israel amounts to apartheid
Describe how apartheid affects Palestinians
Take action to campaign against apartheid

Duration: 90 minutes
Certification: Certificate of Participation

 

[basketcase]

You're stuck in the past. The two state solution is dead, killed by 'facts on the ground'. That same land you say will not be given back.
...

You're stuck in a hate filled denial of peace. There are actual peace plans but instead you demand Palestinians be forced against their will to become Israelis and refuse to even hint at criticism for Palestinian leaders who reject the concept of peace.

All you do is justify overt racism. You keep claiming it is racist when a Jew claims the West Bank is an essential part of Israel but have absolutely no problem when Palestinians do it, even when many of those same Palestinian voices are 100% open that their idea of Palestine doesn't include Jews.

You won't even condemn terrorism from Palestinian sources. A terrorist leader ripped an Arab Israeli kid off life support to use as a hostage and your only comment is to try to blame Israel for it. That is the racist elitism I've called you out on many times as you act like Palestinians aren't capable of making moral choices and keep promoting Palestinian violence as a solution.

You racism has you even unable to admit that Palestinian leadership and some militant factions of their society present major roadblocks to peace and human rights