Teachers strike/walkout/protest

Frankfooter

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CUPE on strike, Go Transit employees on strike. Man Doug has a bit of a mess to clean up here.
Dougie caved in already.
Now we'll see what happens with the negotiations and if they end up on strike anyways.
 

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Article in the Globe and Mail by Leah Sarson says this is about gender equity as women comprise more than 70 per cent of the 55,000 Canadian Union of Public Employees.

"Leah Sarson is an assistant professor of International Relations in the Department of Political Science at Dalhousie University. Dr. Sarson’s work explores Indigenous global politics in the extractive resource sector and her broader research interests focus on Canadian foreign policy, International Relations, gender, and the Arctic."
 

danmand

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Article in the Globe and Mail by Leah Sarson says this is about gender equity as women comprise more than 70 per cent of the 55,000 Canadian Union of Public Employees.

"Leah Sarson is an assistant professor of International Relations in the Department of Political Science at Dalhousie University. Dr. Sarson’s work explores Indigenous global politics in the extractive resource sector and her broader research interests focus on Canadian foreign policy, International Relations, gender, and the Arctic."
It is indisputable that the Ford regime is harder on professions that are predominantly female, like nurses and teachers.
 

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In what is being hailed as a “game-changer” in Canadian labour relations, a majority of the Supreme Court of Canada held that the right to strike is constitutionally protected under the freedom of association in s. 2(d) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.


So you’re against the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms? Or you’re just against it when it’s applied to those you view beneath you?
No one is saying that people shouldn't have the right to strike, but the collective bargaining process has to be balanced. By every measure and examination, including a report by the Auditor General, Public sector Collective bargaining is not balanced and is heavily weighted in favor of the Unions.
In this case, the act of striking is not a bargaining tactic, it is more akin to extortion.
 

danmand

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No one is saying that people shouldn't have the right to strike, but the collective bargaining process has to be balanced. By every measure and examination, including a report by the Auditor General, Public sector Collective bargaining is not balanced and is heavily weighted in favor of the Unions.
In this case, the act of striking is not a bargaining tactic, it is more akin to extortion.
The ONLY bargaining tactic an employee has is the withdrawal of services.
 

Uncharted

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Tell Doug Ford to lock out the workers. Then he does not have to pay them.
And how does that help me. The tax payer paying the freight for all of this? Does my taxes go down accordingly? No.

My only recourse is to not vote that government back in if they give in to the unions. But the union members can vote that government back in for giving in to them.
You see how that works. There is an inherent conflict of interest with the body responsible for bargaining for the tax payer.
 

Anbarandy

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No one is saying that people shouldn't have the right to strike, but the collective bargaining process has to be balanced. By every measure and examination, including a report by the Auditor General, Public sector Collective bargaining is not balanced and is heavily weighted in favor of the Unions.
In this case, the act of striking is not a bargaining tactic, it is more akin to extortion.
:ROFLMAO::LOL::geek:

Fark!

But of course!
 

Uncharted

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The ONLY bargaining tactic an employee has is the withdrawal of services.
No. They should have the same recourse that I do. If they don't like their contract, don't vote for that government again.

Again, the tax payer is the employer. We are the ones paying their salaries. Why should they have more options and tactics in this process than the tax payer does?
 

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No one is saying that people shouldn't have the right to strike, but the collective bargaining process has to be balanced. By every measure and examination, including a report by the Auditor General, Public sector Collective bargaining is not balanced and is heavily weighted in favor of the Unions.
In this case, the act of striking is not a bargaining tactic, it is more akin to extortion.
The problem is most public service unions are monopolies. I suppose we could go back to a private school system but then the lefties will bitch unfair to people who don't have money.
 

danmand

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No. They should have the same recourse that I do. If they don't like their contract, don't vote for that government again.

Again, the tax payer is the employer. We are the ones paying their salaries. Why should they have more options and tactics in this process than the tax payer does?
Nah, we have moved away from slave labour long time ago. You cannot seriously believe that an employee do not have the right to withdraw services.
 

Uncharted

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Nah, we have moved away from slave labour long time ago. You cannot seriously believe that an employee do not have the right to withdraw services.
Then I should have the ability to withdraw taxes. And use that money to find alternatives when they are striking. And If I am happy with the alternative I have found, then I may not care as much how long the strike continues for, which puts pressure back on the union to settle.

That is how it works in Private Collective bargaining situations, with private sector Unions. Thus making the process far more balanced.
 

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Let me impersonate a neanderthal:. The government should not do public transit. I drive everywhere.
That's your problem...I drove London to Ottawa and back on the weekend and the worst part of the drive was the 40 kilo stretch on the 401 that should have taken 30 minutes but took 2 hours due to construction and congestion because a portion of the 401 westbound was down to 2 lanes...what moderately intelligent moron thought that 2 lanes on the 401 was a reasonable idea?
 

Insidious Von

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Nah, we have moved away from slave labour long time ago. You cannot seriously believe that an employee do not have the right to withdraw services.
According to Jeff Bezos, they don't. Douglas doesn't have a problem having his good buddy Mario Cortellucci on the Police Services Board of York Region.
 

Anbarandy

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Then I should have the ability to withdraw taxes. And use that money to find alternatives when they are striking. And If I am happy with the alternative I have found, then I may not care as much how long the strike continues for, which puts pressure back on the union to settle.

That is how it works in Private Collective bargaining situations, with private sector Unions. Thus making the process far more balanced.
You have the ability to do all of which you desire and more.

You can withdraw your taxes, sourced Twitter teachers galore, pay your taxes to yourself or if you are so adamant in your give yourself a 0.5% raise while you're at it.
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That's how not wanting to live in a free and democratic society and how Private Right-Wing Nut Singular bargaining works
 

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And how does that help me. The tax payer paying the freight for all of this? Does my taxes go down accordingly? No.

My only recourse is to not vote that government back in if they give in to the unions. But the union members can vote that government back in for giving in to them.
You see how that works. There is an inherent conflict of interest with the body responsible for bargaining for the tax payer.
Every member of a union has one vote just like you.
 
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Frankfooter

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No. They should have the same recourse that I do. If they don't like their contract, don't vote for that government again.

Again, the tax payer is the employer. We are the ones paying their salaries. Why should they have more options and tactics in this process than the tax payer does?
Take it up with your own employer.
Maybe if you start a union you can get as much protection and benefits.
That's better than arguing that nobody else should have them because you don't.
 

Uncharted

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Take it up with your own employer.
Maybe if you start a union you can get as much protection and benefits.
That's better than arguing that nobody else should have them because you don't.
That doesn't even relate to the statement of mine you quoted.
 

Uncharted

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You have the ability to do all of which you desire and more.

You can withdraw your taxes, sourced Twitter teachers galore, pay your taxes to yourself or if you are so adamant in your give yourself a 0.5% raise while you're at it.
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That's how not wanting to live in a free and democratic society and how Private Right-Wing Nut Singular bargaining works
You didn't even make sense. How am I supposed to withold the taxes I pay that go towards the salary of teachers when they are striking. Make some sense in your responses.
 

Uncharted

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Every member of a union has one vote just like you.
That still doesn't change the fact that there is an inherent conflict of interest in the government bargaining on behalf of the taxpayer.

This is the issue with Leftists. You ignore how the real world works. When the Auditor general has stated in reports that the public sector collective bargaining process is heavily unbalanced in favour of the unions. Something is wrong with the process. But the Left just ignores that fact, because the majority of the left are the ones sucking off the taxpayers tit.
 

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But the Left just ignores that fact, because the majority of the left are the ones sucking off the taxpayers tit.
Bro fuck off with that attitude. You and I are both Taxpayers. In fact I’m a T4 employee so I pay all of my taxes. What you’ve just said is so fucking untrue it’s mind boggling how you actually believe this shit.
 
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