Teachers strike/walkout/protest
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No, they cannot be replaced overnight. Who would take these jobs? I believe the average CUPE employee makes about $40K. In the last decade, they've had a total of 3.5% pay increase (there were several years with a freeze). During this same time, the rate of inflation jumped nearly 18%. These are some of the lowest paid public service job there are. They do shit none of us would want to do, like changing diapers of the developmentally delayed students in schools, or what not. And they're doing it for just a bit more than minimum wage. Without them, schools would not be able to function.
The worse case scenario for schools is if these people say, fuck it, i'm going to work someplace else. Because there is no way you could replace all of them, nor quickly.
But I LOVE how the right and anti-union people are all about calling them greedy. Here's another thing to consider: Why hasn't the government classified them as an essential service? If they did, they could demand binding arbitration, which would almost certainly give them a bigger pay increase than what the government wants to pay.
So, Darts...what do you think "educational workers" do? Because it sounds like you don't have a clue.
And you obviously have no idea what teachers do. It isn't just a 9-3:30 gig. Yes, a teacher with a decade of experience and an MA/MSc can make some good cash. But they don't get that out of the blue. They have a pretty good pension plan, but they contribute to it, it isn't just given to them.
These educational workers are paid very little to do unpleasant jobs that are vital to keeping the schools running. The bottom line here is Ford and Leece fucked the dog here badly. They thought that parents would be angry about the schools being closed, but not about unconstitutional bills forcing the union back to work. They made a massive miscalculation, and I think other unions are going to join them. I mean, if they can do it to CUPE, who's to say they won't do it to steel workers and bus drivers or nurses?
And you obviously have no idea what teachers do. It isn't just a 9-3:30 gig. Yes, a teacher with a decade of experience and an MA/MSc can make some good cash. But they don't get that out of the blue. They have a pretty good pension plan, but they contribute to it, it isn't just given to them.
These educational workers are paid very little to do unpleasant jobs that are vital to keeping the schools running. The bottom line here is Ford and Leece fucked the dog here badly. They thought that parents would be angry about the schools being closed, but not about unconstitutional bills forcing the union back to work. They made a massive miscalculation, and I think other unions are going to join them. I mean, if they can do it to CUPE, who's to say they won't do it to steel workers and bus drivers or nurses?
The tax payer is the employer. They are the ones who pay their salaries. Yet we get no say in the collective bargaining process. It is decided by a group who is not actually paying the bill. A group who's primary concern is getting voted back in, which cow towing to the unions almost always guarantees. So they are not looking out for the interests of the people who are actually paying the workers.
And the ones who actually pay the workers have no say in the agreement that dictates how much they have to pay. Not only that, we are required to keep paying, even though those workers are out on strike. I don't see my taxes become reduced during the time the teachers are striking.
If they did, it would make it much easier for parents to find alternative education or child care methods because the money that would be going to pay the teachers would be back in the pockets of those that pay them, but that doesn't happen. So a strike happens. We, the people paying the salary of those on strike get no service from those on strike, and yet we keep paying for the service we are no longer getting. That is not a balanced situation. That's a situation where the union has all the power, and the ones paying their wages have none.
That does not happen in a private sector collective bargaining situation, and it needs to change so it is not the case in a public sector bargaining situation either.
Of course, you do not personally decide what to pay a teacher of your children. If you want to, take your children out of school and hire your own teachers.
We elect people to manage - govern - these things for us. If they do a good job, we will reelct them, if not, we can elect somebody else.
They made a massive miscalculation, and I think other unions are going to join them. I mean, if they can do it to CUPE, who's to say they won't do it to steel workers and bus drivers or nurses?
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They have already been doing it to nurses for years now. Driving them to leave in the thousands.
They're attempting to do it thru Metrolinx to GO bus drivers, maintenance and other transit staff.
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They have already been doing it to nurses for years now. Driving them to leave in the thousands.
They're attempting to do it thru Metrolinx to GO bus drivers, maintenance and other transit staff.
Bro I’ve reported an attempted robbery when a couple of guys tried to rob me last year but I was able to get away. The officer who took my report essentially blamed me and was generally not a pleasant person to be around. So by your logic since I’m a taxpayer and our taxpayer money funds the police I should see my taxes reduced?
I am not sure if you agree or disagree with the point that I am trying to convey. But basically what I’m trying to show is that people put social services like the police on a pedestal but vilify educational workers who are requesting a living wage.
So, Darts...what do you think "educational workers" do? Because it sounds like you don't have a clue.
CUPE Ontario strike: Who are the education workers? | The Star
And you obviously have no idea what teachers do. It isn't just a 9-3:30 gig.
Yes, it is largely 6 hours a day for 10 months. Show me otherwise.
Yes, a teacher with a decade of experience and an MA/MSc can make some good cash. But they don't get that out of the blue.
They have a pretty good pension plan, but they contribute to it, it isn't just given to them.
Teachers' contribution is only 50% or less.
Also, let's forget they also get 130 "bankable" sick days (or something like that).
You have an issue with employees being able to bank the sick days that they EARNED? Jesus Christ @Darts it’s like you just get off to the labour rights being stripped from those you view beneath you.
Sorry but you comparison isn't even in the same ballpark.
You can make a complaint for the quality of service you received.
But why am I expected to keep paying for a service that is being withheld. As the person who is funding the service, if the service is no longer happening, I should not be expected to continue funding it. That puts power back in the hands of the ones who are actually paying the freight on the whole thing.
By simply focusing on that small aspect of the greater whole, it is obvious you didn't bother to actually read the rest of what was in my post.
In what is being hailed as a “game-changer” in Canadian labour relations, a majority of the Supreme Court of Canada held that the right to strike is constitutionally protected under the freedom of association in s. 2(d) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Supreme Court constitutionalizes the right to strike
Supreme Court constitutionalizes the right to strike
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So you’re against the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms? Or you’re just against it when it’s applied to those you view beneath you?
Lol he tried that and all the RNs took jobs out of province/country for better pay.
The biggest or one of the biggest assets of the Teachers' Pension Fun is Cadillac Fairview ("CF"). Is CF one of Doug Ford's "developer friends"?
"The company was purchased by the Ontario Teachers' Pension Plan in March 2000"
"The company was purchased by the Ontario Teachers' Pension Plan in March 2000"
A major complete shutdown was coming as unions across Ontario who also had a hand in voting Ford in were about to get together and lower the big BOOM for using the "notwithstanding" clause.
Ford woke up this morning in a panic about what was about to come and played the only card he had left and offered an olive branch.
CUPE on strike, Go Transit employees on strike. Man Doug has a bit of a mess to clean up here.
