Educational Workers

[Darts]

I liked this movie, if interested, you can watch the full movie on YouTube. The star was Glenn Ford (born near Quebec City). No, he is not related to Doug Ford.
Blackboard Jungle - Wikipedia

 

[basketcase]

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Now we have a government that is willing to use the notwithstanding clause to ram a contract down their throats. That is unacceptable on a number of levels, and we should all be alarmed by this.

But they keep telling us it's the left who are the authoritarian fascists.

 

[basketcase]

Teachers are underpaid and underappreciated.

Teachers are well paid and appreciated by the kids and parents they help. of course everyone remembers that horrible teacher.

 

[Darts]

If the Libs or the NDP were the government, they would have caved a long time ago and given the union(s) a blank cheque.

 

[basketcase]

If the Libs or the NDP were the government, they would have caved a long time ago and given the union(s) a blank cheque.

The Liberals under Wynne did a junior version of the same thing, earning a $100 million punishment from the courts.

But sure, keep pushing your BS.

 

[Darts]

The Liberals under Wynne did a junior version of the same thing, earning a $100 million punishment from the courts.

But sure, keep pushing your BS.

I'm talking about the current version of the Libs and NDP. Do you actually think they have the balls to stand up to the teacher unions? Try listening to John Fraser and Marit Stiles sometimes.

 

[toguy5252]

Teachers are well paid and appreciated by the kids and parents they help. of course everyone remembers that horrible teacher.

Teachers are not valued by society to the degree commensurate with the very important role they play.

 

[Frankfooter]

I'm talking about the current version of the Libs and NDP. Do you actually think they have the balls to stand up to the teacher unions? Try listening to John Fraser and Marit Stiles sometimes.

Its the opposite of balls when you use draconian measures on people who are in good faith negotiations with you.

 

[rhuarc29]

I'd actually be fine with CUPE workers getting a sizeable pay raise. But it should coincide with a teacher pay freeze.
I'm tired of public sector boons coming out of private sector backs. Let the teachers shoulder someone else's pay raise for once.

 

[squeezer]

I'd actually be fine with CUPE workers getting a sizeable pay raise. But it should coincide with a teacher pay freeze.
I'm tired of public sector boons coming out of private sector backs. Let the teachers shoulder someone else's pay raise for once.

Why a pay freeze for the teachers? Have they not been affected like everyone else by inflation? I don't believe they should get the same type of increase as CUPE workers but why a pay freeze? Please don't start with a teacher is overpaid. I certainly wouldn't be a happy camper with 90K year.

 

[silentkisser]

Questions: What are their benefits? Are they the same or almost the same as those of teachers?

To be honest, I don't know, but I don't think so. They are not part of the same pension plan, but might have similar health benefits.

But, the biggest thing about this....The Ford government is purposefully crush collective bargaining rights against this group. I mean, nobody wants a strike, but this is just dastardly. And, it's the second time they've used the notwithstanding clause. Who's to say they won't use it agin for other shit??? It is certainly problematic. And, for a group of people (conservatives) who love to cry FREEDOM!!!! This feels like anything but...

 

[Darts]

But, the biggest thing about this....The Ford government is purposefully crush collective bargaining rights against this group. I mean, nobody wants a strike, but this is just dastardly.

I know some people are upset about legislating the workers back to work. However, I believe that the Ford government is doing what every responsible government should be doing:
1) Keeping the kids in school.
2) Keeping a prudent eye on the public purse.

 

[Frankfooter]

Let the teachers shoulder someone else's pay raise for once.

They are.

Doug Ford under fire for new minister’s pay hike

Government house leader Paul Calandra has been promoted to lead a new “ministry of legislative affairs” with a cabinet minister’s salary of $165,000 that opposition parties say is out of tune with restraint efforts that, for example, limit hospital nurses to one per cent pay raises.

www.thestar.com

 

[Frankfooter]

I know some people are upset about legislating the workers back to work. However, I believe that the Ford government is doing what every responsible government should be doing:
1) Keeping the kids in school.
2) Keeping a prudent eye on the public purse.

CUPE sent back a counter offer yesterday, while Ford has already decided to use the notwithstanding clause.

 

[silentkisser]

I know some people are upset about legislating the workers back to work. However, I believe that the Ford government is doing what every responsible government should be doing:
1) Keeping the kids in school.
2) Keeping a prudent eye on the public purse.

We've seen governments legislate workers back. This is different. Surely you can see that. Using the notwithstanding clause is a serious issue. Then there is the fact that the government pocketed money that was earmarked for schools. If it was really a concern about the public purse, why are they giving parents $200-$250 a student? Maybe they shouldn't have done away with license plate renewal fees. This is just a bullshit fight that is easy for them to frame. They can call these support workers greedy, even though they are now making less money then they did a decade ago due to inflation and a lack of raises.

 

[Frankfooter]

We've seen governments legislate workers back. This is different. Surely you can see that. Using the notwithstanding clause is a serious issue. Then there is the fact that the government pocketed money that was earmarked for schools. If it was really a concern about the public purse, why are they giving parents $200-$250 a student? Maybe they shouldn't have done away with license plate renewal fees. This is just a bullshit fight that is easy for them to frame. They can call these support workers greedy, even though they are now making less money then they did a decade ago due to inflation and a lack of raises.

1/3 of those CUPE support workers are using food banks to get by.

 

[Anbarandy]

To be honest, I don't know, but I don't think so. They are not part of the same pension plan, but might have similar health benefits.

But, the biggest thing about this....The Ford government is purposefully crush collective bargaining rights against this group. I mean, nobody wants a strike, but this is just dastardly. And, it's the second time they've used the notwithstanding clause. Who's to say they won't use it agin for other shit??? It is certainly problematic. And, for a group of people (conservatives) who love to cry FREEDOM!!!! This feels like anything but...

Stuffing his fat face with the 'fuck the constitution' notwithstanding clause pie is as easy to this fat fuck as is raiding his fridge past midnight to stuff his fat face with cheesecake.

A pig is a pig is a pig.

 

[Frankfooter]

Stuffing his fat face with the 'fuck the constitution' notwithstanding clause pie is as easy to this fat fuck as is raiding his fridge past midnight to stuff his fat face with cheesecake.

A pig is a pig is a pig.

So much back room dealing with developers, getting ready to privatize health care....
Ford is a disaster.

 

[basketcase]

Why a pay freeze for the teachers? Have they not been affected like everyone else by inflation? ...

And aren't they also taxpayers?

I say that if the government wants to limit increases to public sector pay, they need to start by limiting their own salaries instead of inventing positions for them to earn an addition $16,000 plus expenses.

 

[basketcase]

I know some people are upset about legislating the workers back to work. However, I believe that the Ford government is doing what every responsible government should be doing:
1) Keeping the kids in school.
2) Keeping a prudent eye on the public purse.

Allegedly CUPE's offer yesterday lowered the salary raise to 5ish% a year which would raise their average salary to a massive $41,000 next year. To bad Ford had already made up his mind.

After having his people author a 100+ page bill, he might a swell ram it down people's throats.

We need a rework of the not withstanding clause to limit it to real issues and I'd be happy to chip in to support all public sector workers walking off the job.