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ogibowt

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5 lifetimes ago I dated several grade school teachers.

1) Workday is 5-6 hours.
2) Work only 10 months a year with lots of time off.
3) Can retire on a full pension at age 55.
4) Pension is fully indexed.
5) Loads of fringe benefits.
6) They still get a nice basic salary as well.
but they are not the ones threating a work stoppage..................but carry on trolling.........you are good at that
 

Darts

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"CUPE is looking for annual salary increases of 11.7 per cent and the government, in response, has offered raises of two per cent a year for workers making less than $40,000 and 1.25 per cent for all other workers.

Education workers have made several other proposals, including overtime at two times the regular pay rate, 30 minutes of paid prep time per day for educational assistants and ECEs, and an increase in benefits and professional development for all workers."
Ontario education workers in legal strike position as of Nov. 3 (citynews.ca)
 
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basketcase

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"CUPE is looking for annual salary increases of 11.7 per cent and the government, in response, has offered raises of two per cent a year for workers making less than $40,000 and 1.25 per cent for all other workers.

Education workers have made several other proposals, including overtime at two times the regular pay rate, 30 minutes of paid prep time per day for educational assistants and ECEs, and an increase in benefits and professional development for all workers."
Ontario education workers in legal strike position as of Nov. 3 (citynews.ca)
Considering the average salary is under $40,000 ....


And I assume there's no way it's legal for an employer to legislate a contract. I would have gotten the essential worker designation but the government knows that means an independent arbitrator and they would rather just bully through it. Wynne's government tried something far less intrusive and the courts had them forking over $100 million in damages.
 

Darts

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Considering the average salary is under $40,000 ....

And I assume there's no way it's legal for an employer to legislate a contract. I would have gotten the essential worker designation but the government knows that means an independent arbitrator and they would rather just bully through it. Wynne's government tried something far less intrusive and the courts had them forking over $100 million in damages.
I think some (maybe not all) of those jobs have private sector comparables. $40,000 may not seem like a lot but maybe it is comparable to a similar job in the private sector.
 

Frankfooter

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I think some (maybe not all) of those jobs have private sector comparables. $40,000 may not seem like a lot but maybe it is comparable to a similar job in the private sector.
No, the pay for support workers is low.
Ford is playing hardball but all the other teachers will get behind this as they are in negotiations right now and Ford just gave all his mp's, what, a 40% raise or something?
 

Sugarsweet905

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Considering the average salary is under $40,000 ....


And I assume there's no way it's legal for an employer to legislate a contract. I would have gotten the essential worker designation but the government knows that means an independent arbitrator and they would rather just bully through it. Wynne's government tried something far less intrusive and the courts had them forking over $100 million in damages.
This is due to a large number that are part-time. A large number of part-timers will bring average salary down very fast.
 

silentkisser

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Couple of things here: First, this group of workers includes janitors, librarians and educational assistants (among others). Most of them make under $40K, and they haven't seen a serious pay raise in years. I believe they got a 1 or 1.5% increase maybe four times in the last decade....so that means they had six or so years where they had no increase what so ever.

Now we have a government that is willing to use the notwithstanding clause to ram a contract down their throats. That is unacceptable on a number of levels, and we should all be alarmed by this.
 

AdamH

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This is due to a large number that are part-time. A large number of part-timers will bring average salary down very fast.
The majority of part-timers want to be full-time.

The majority of schools with part-timers want/need them to be full-time.

The only reason there are so many part-timers is because that's what the school boards can afford (because that's all the provincial government gives them).
 

Darts

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Couple of things here: First, this group of workers includes janitors, librarians and educational assistants (among others). Most of them make under $40K, and they haven't seen a serious pay raise in years.
Questions: What are their benefits? Are they the same or almost the same as those of teachers?
 
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Brill

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Can’t they encourage students to clean toilets as part of their voluntary community service credit?
 
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