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basketcase

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You're still doing it, accusing all Palestinians of 'terrorism' based on race.
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Wow that is stupid. I call out Palestinian and Jewish terrorists but I'm somehow racist for admitting that groups like Hamas or Lions Den are terrorists. Meanwhile, the only people you accuse of terrorism are Jews. Hmm. And Lions Den represents the status quo? I guess that's as close as you'll come to admitting how terrorism and violence is a standard component of the Palestinian leadership.

And are you still demanding Israel unilaterally decide on peace conditions and militarily enforce it on Palestinians? Sad how openly you endorse these pathetically hypocritical statements.

You've clearly learned your argument style from the Ancient Aliens show, simply pushing ridiculous information while refusing to address even a single criticism of your clearly racist double-standard.


p.s. pathetic that your racism has you going back to claiming I must be a Jew.
 

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And I'm still waiting for your campaign against Canada as an "Apartheid state" due to our settler activity and systemic discrimination against various ethnic minorities.
 

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And are you still demanding Israel unilaterally decide on peace conditions and militarily enforce it on Palestinians? Sad how openly you endorse these pathetically hypocritical statements.
How is a people with no army supposed end an illegal, 50 year old occupation?
Peace talks died about a decade ago and Israel continues to take their land.

You still use the term 'terrorist' as a racist attack on Palestinians.
Hamas and Israel both commit acts that fit that definition, but Israel commits way more, yet you have no problem with that.
Lions Dens is a militant resistance group, they target the IDF, that's not terrorism.
In fact, the UN now calls settlers a “paramilitary force.”


But no surprise you think the idea of Jewish self-determination is so disgusting while demanding Palestinians have that right.
In Israel, only Israeli Jews have that right enshrined in law, not Palestinians or Israeli Arabs as you like to call them.
I argue for equal rights, both Jews and Palestinians living under Israeli apartheid rule should all have full and equal human rights.
You really do seem to be against equal rights.

And I'm still waiting for your campaign against Canada as an "Apartheid state" due to our settler activity and systemic discrimination against various ethnic minorities.
Take it to the UN or Amnesty/HRW.
When they agree, I'll back it.
Until then, stop the whataboutism and take a stand against the second most heinous and racist crime against humanity.
Apartheid.

 

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How is a people with no army supposed end an illegal, 50 year old occupation?
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Negotiations. And nothing illegal about the occupation. West Bank was legally ceded to Israel from Jordan to be used for a negotiated Palestinian state..

Do you really think Israel can unilaterally impose peace when Hamas, much of Fatah, and many other armed Palestinian factions oppose it? These kinds of claims are what exposes you as a complete zealot and outstanding hypocrite.


And yes, racist attacks on civilians are terrorism. Why do you find it so easy to claim Israelis are terrorists (like for shooting back at armed Palestinians) but absolutely refuse to admit some Palestinians are terrorists?

Is this terrorism?

Meanwhile Israel tries to act on Israeli terrorism
They should do more but occasional prosecutions by Israel are sure better than the PA and Hamas celebrating similar acts.


You also have the dumbest racist definition of self-determination. Israeli Arabs WANT to be Israeli. I know you don't listen to what Arabs say but that is their self determination. At the same time you condemn Jewish self-determination, you demand Palestinians have that right. Another asinine double standard.

And to be clear, Israeli Arabs WANT to be Israeli. West Bank and Gaza Palestinians DON'T WANT to be Israelis, If you believe in self determination then you should listen to them. You just like the Palestinians militants who determine for themselves that Jews shouldn't be in the Middle East.
 

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Negotiations. And nothing illegal about the occupation. West Bank was legally ceded to Israel from Jordan to be used for a negotiated Palestinian state..
1) There have been no negotiations for nearly a decade while Israel continues to take more land.
2) The UN has stated the occupation is illegal and the only way to end it is to dismantle the apartheid state, as BDS also wants.
Abbas has spent his life trying to negotiate peace with Israel and there is nothing to show for it.

And yes, racist attacks on civilians are terrorism. Why do you find it so easy to claim Israelis are terrorists (like for shooting back at armed Palestinians) but absolutely refuse to admit some Palestinians are terrorists?
So you agree that the 100 settler attacks in 10 days, were terrorism?
And you admit that they are backed by the IDF, and are now 'paramilitary'?

Is this terrorism?
Yes, targeting a civilian is terrorism.
That's still 1% of the amount terrorist attacks Palestinians lived through in 10 days.



And to be clear, Israeli Arabs WANT to be Israeli. West Bank and Gaza Palestinians DON'T WANT to be Israelis, If you believe in self determination then you should listen to them. You just like the Palestinians militants who determine for themselves that Jews shouldn't be in the Middle East.
Stop claiming you speak for Palestinians, that's so colonial.
BDS is a Palestinian, peaceful movement to end apartheid.
That is the only way forward left.

 

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No, 'Palestine will be free' is not antisemitic.
Even saying 'river to sea' is not antisemitic.

Not unless you back that antisemitic trope of claiming criticism of the state of Israel is an attack on the Jewish people.
once again you openly support anti-semitic terror supporting rallies calling for terrorism against and destruction of Israel and Jews


those same antisemitic slogans you support are also used by terrorist groups like Hamas and PLFP, islamic jihad, etc
 

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once again you openly support anti-semitic terror supporting rallies calling for terrorism against and destruction of Israel and Jews


those same antisemitic slogans you support are also used by terrorist groups like Hamas and PLFP, islamic jihad, etc
You're posting antisemitic tropes, CM.
Claiming that Palestinians wanting freedom from an illegal occupation is an attack on the Jewish people is an antisemitic trope.

Clearly I can't post any Palestinian sources to you, as your overt racism against them means you'll call whatever I post 'antisemitic'.
So please listen to what progressive, Canadian Jews are saying about the situation and human rights.

 

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You're posting antisemitic tropes, CM.
Claiming that Palestinians wanting freedom from an illegal occupation is an attack on the Jewish people is an antisemitic trope.

Clearly I can't post any Palestinian sources to you, as your overt racism against them means you'll call whatever I post 'antisemitic'.
So please listen to what progressive, Canadian Jews are saying about the situation and human rights.

the "palestinian sources" you cite are all linked to terrorists and terror organizations

you are just proving my point that the pro-palestinian movement is a anti-jewish terroism which has nothing to do with the rights of the Palestinian people.


Promoting Anti-Semitism
In 2017, JVP launched the “Deadly Exchange” campaign that accused American Jewish organizations of promoting human rights abuses.

JVP also released a video that blamed [00:04:04] US-based Jewish organizations for violence that occurs against Black and Brown communities, immigrants and activists in the U.S.



The video accused mainstream Jewish organizations in the United States of coordinating exchange programs between American and Israeli security personnel, to advance “worst practices” and “racist policies.”

The campaign page claimed that these “policies” included: “extrajudicial executions, shoot-to-kill policies, police murders, racial profiling, massive spying and surveillance, deportation and detention.”


In November 2017, JVP activists demonstrated at ADL offices in 15 cities to protest the ADL’s role in these programs. That day, seven JVP members were reportedly arrested in the lobby of ADL’s national office in New York as they attempted to deliver a petition calling for an end to ADL’s sponsorship of the exchanges.

On April 19, 2018, Durham, North Carolina became the first U.S. city to prohibit police exchanges with Israel, followed by similar initiatives in Northampton, Massachusetts and the Vermont State Police.

In May 2020, after the death of George Floyd, an African-American man who was killed in Minnesota while being arrested, JVP issued a statement titled “Justice for George Floyd” on their website. In June 2020, JVP issued an update on the Deadly Exchange on their website and on the Deadly Exchange website. They also posted content on social media that compared George Floyd’s treatment by U.S. police to Israel’s treatment of Palestinians.

Supporting Terrorists
As of November 2020, JVP was listed as a member of the Rasmea Defense Committee, a coalition of mostly anti-Israel organizations which campaigned for terrorist Rasmea Odeh.

Odeh was a key military operative [00:02:08] with the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) terrorist organization. In 1969, she masterminded a PFLP supermarket bombing that killed two college students. She also attempted to bomb the British consulate in Jerusalem. Odeh later moved to the United States but was deported to Jordan in 2017 for immigration fraud.

In 2017, JVP honored Odeh at the 2017 JVP National Member Meeting.

In April 2020, during the global coronavirus pandemic, JVP organized a Zoom rally in honor of Samidoun’s annual Palestinian Prisoners Day.

During the rally, JVP Executive Director Stefanie Fox referred [00:02:19] to the “inextricable connection between the freedom struggle against prisons in U.S. and the struggle for freedom in Palestine” and solicited [01:08:31] donations for local bailouts and Palestinian prisoner advocacy organizations.

In February 2019, JVP celebrated the release of Khalida Jarrar from Israeli prison. JVP has called Jarrar a “prominent Palestinian politician” and signed a petition calling for Jarrar’s release from prison in September 2018 which referred to her as a “prominent leftist, feminist, prisoners’ rights advocate.”

Khalida Jarrar is a senior member of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) terror organization. In 2015, an Israeli military court sentenced Jarrar to 15 months in prison for calling to kidnap Israeli soldiers. Israel arrested Jarrar again in 2017 “on suspicion of involvement with terrorist activities and violent public disturbances.”

In 2019, Jarrar was arrested by Israel, with other PFLP operatives, following a deadly 2018 bombing attack that targeted an Israeli family. Jarrar was reportedly the head of the PFLP in the West Bank since 2016 and the cell was reportedly “planning additional attacks.” Guns and bomb-making equipment were seized during the arrests.

In June 2017, JVP sponsored an advertisement in The Forward in support of Palestinian terrorist Marwan Barghouti, then on a hunger strike in Israeli prison.

Marwan Barghouti initiated the 2017 hunger strike by Palestinian prisoners known as the “Dignity Strike.” He headed the Palestinian Authority (PA) terrorist Tanzim force and founded the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades. His organizations carried out many deadly attacks against Israeli civilians.

Barghouti financed the bomb used in the Sbarro Cafe bombing and was sentenced to five consecutive life terms in an Israeli civilian court for some of his crimes. Many of the over 1,500 prisoners who participated in the strike had also carried out terror attacks, including Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) Secretary General Ahmad Sa’adat.

In May 2017 then JVP Executive Director Vilkomerson interviewed Barghouti’s son, Aarab Marwan Barghouti, and said [00:18:34]: “Please know that all of us at Jewish Voice for Peace are in full solidarity with the strike and the efforts of your father and the other leaders…”

In April 2017, JVP declared their support for Palestinian hunger strikers in Israeli prisons.

Jewish Voice For Peace - Canary Mission
 

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the "palestinian sources" you cite are all linked to terrorists and terror organizations

you are just proving my point that the pro-palestinian movement is a anti-jewish terroism which has nothing to do with the rights of the Palestinian people.


Promoting Anti-Semitism
In 2017, JVP launched the “Deadly Exchange” campaign that accused American Jewish organizations of promoting human rights abuses.

JVP also released a video that blamed [00:04:04] US-based Jewish organizations for violence that occurs against Black and Brown communities, immigrants and activists in the U.S.



The video accused mainstream Jewish organizations in the United States of coordinating exchange programs between American and Israeli security personnel, to advance “worst practices” and “racist policies.”

The campaign page claimed that these “policies” included: “extrajudicial executions, shoot-to-kill policies, police murders, racial profiling, massive spying and surveillance, deportation and detention.”


In November 2017, JVP activists demonstrated at ADL offices in 15 cities to protest the ADL’s role in these programs. That day, seven JVP members were reportedly arrested in the lobby of ADL’s national office in New York as they attempted to deliver a petition calling for an end to ADL’s sponsorship of the exchanges.

On April 19, 2018, Durham, North Carolina became the first U.S. city to prohibit police exchanges with Israel, followed by similar initiatives in Northampton, Massachusetts and the Vermont State Police.

In May 2020, after the death of George Floyd, an African-American man who was killed in Minnesota while being arrested, JVP issued a statement titled “Justice for George Floyd” on their website. In June 2020, JVP issued an update on the Deadly Exchange on their website and on the Deadly Exchange website. They also posted content on social media that compared George Floyd’s treatment by U.S. police to Israel’s treatment of Palestinians.

Supporting Terrorists
As of November 2020, JVP was listed as a member of the Rasmea Defense Committee, a coalition of mostly anti-Israel organizations which campaigned for terrorist Rasmea Odeh.

Odeh was a key military operative [00:02:08] with the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) terrorist organization. In 1969, she masterminded a PFLP supermarket bombing that killed two college students. She also attempted to bomb the British consulate in Jerusalem. Odeh later moved to the United States but was deported to Jordan in 2017 for immigration fraud.

In 2017, JVP honored Odeh at the 2017 JVP National Member Meeting.

In April 2020, during the global coronavirus pandemic, JVP organized a Zoom rally in honor of Samidoun’s annual Palestinian Prisoners Day.

During the rally, JVP Executive Director Stefanie Fox referred [00:02:19] to the “inextricable connection between the freedom struggle against prisons in U.S. and the struggle for freedom in Palestine” and solicited [01:08:31] donations for local bailouts and Palestinian prisoner advocacy organizations.

In February 2019, JVP celebrated the release of Khalida Jarrar from Israeli prison. JVP has called Jarrar a “prominent Palestinian politician” and signed a petition calling for Jarrar’s release from prison in September 2018 which referred to her as a “prominent leftist, feminist, prisoners’ rights advocate.”

Khalida Jarrar is a senior member of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) terror organization. In 2015, an Israeli military court sentenced Jarrar to 15 months in prison for calling to kidnap Israeli soldiers. Israel arrested Jarrar again in 2017 “on suspicion of involvement with terrorist activities and violent public disturbances.”

In 2019, Jarrar was arrested by Israel, with other PFLP operatives, following a deadly 2018 bombing attack that targeted an Israeli family. Jarrar was reportedly the head of the PFLP in the West Bank since 2016 and the cell was reportedly “planning additional attacks.” Guns and bomb-making equipment were seized during the arrests.

In June 2017, JVP sponsored an advertisement in The Forward in support of Palestinian terrorist Marwan Barghouti, then on a hunger strike in Israeli prison.

Marwan Barghouti initiated the 2017 hunger strike by Palestinian prisoners known as the “Dignity Strike.” He headed the Palestinian Authority (PA) terrorist Tanzim force and founded the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades. His organizations carried out many deadly attacks against Israeli civilians.

Barghouti financed the bomb used in the Sbarro Cafe bombing and was sentenced to five consecutive life terms in an Israeli civilian court for some of his crimes. Many of the over 1,500 prisoners who participated in the strike had also carried out terror attacks, including Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) Secretary General Ahmad Sa’adat.

In May 2017 then JVP Executive Director Vilkomerson interviewed Barghouti’s son, Aarab Marwan Barghouti, and said [00:18:34]: “Please know that all of us at Jewish Voice for Peace are in full solidarity with the strike and the efforts of your father and the other leaders…”

In April 2017, JVP declared their support for Palestinian hunger strikers in Israeli prisons.

Jewish Voice For Peace - Canary Mission
Cool, so now you think Jewish Voices for Peace are 'terrorists'?
Add that to Defence of Children International that basketcase and Israel say are 'terrorists'.
I liked to IJVCanada, by the way, not JVP. You wanna accuse them of being 'terrorists' as well?

And who is your source?
Canary Mission?
An Israeli disinformation site whose main goal is to out student protesters to shut down debate in the US?
Nice.

 

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Cool, so now you think Jewish Voices for Peace are 'terrorists'?
Add that to Defence of Children International that basketcase and Israel say are 'terrorists'.
I liked to IJVCanada, by the way, not JVP. You wanna accuse them of being 'terrorists' as well?

And who is your source?
Canary Mission?
An Israeli disinformation site whose main goal is to out student protesters to shut down debate in the US?
Nice.

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yes IJV openly defend and support terrorists

it's all documented
 

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a series of a B’nai Brith investigation into the activities of Independent Jewish Voices


part 1



“Independent Jewish Voices” Promotes Holocaust Denial

“Independent Jewish Voices” Promotes Holocaust Denial
B’nai Brith Investigation: A so-called Jewish group has
links to a White Supremacist Hate Site

By Aidan Fishman
B’nai Brith Canada
Campus Affairs Coordinator

A group that calls itself Independent Jewish Voices (IJV), and passes itself off as an organization that speaks on behalf of Jewish Canadians, promotes Holocaust denial through social media, a B’nai Brith investigation reveals.
Postings on the group’s official Twitter and Facebook accounts have been directing followers to articles from the white supremacist hate site Veterans Today. One article in particular falsely asserts that no more than 1-million Jews were killed by Nazi Germany and characterizes modern antisemitism as a natural reaction to Israeli policies. The article was also promoted online by Sid Shniad, a B.C. resident who serves as IJV’s co-chair and official spokesperson.
Both the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Law Poverty Center have denounced Veterans Today as a white supremacist hate site, replete with false accusations of Jewish responsibility for the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the assassination of former U.S. President John F. Kennedy, and the Sandy Hook elementary school shootings.
The posting by IJV cannot be described as accidental or unknowing. In fact, one Facebook follower of the IJV page explicitly pointed out that the article supports Holocaust denial, but IJV failed to answer it or delete the link.


part 2


“Independent Jewish Voices” Deletes Half Its Website After B’nai Brith Revelations



As reported by CIJNews Wednesday (page doesn’t exist), “Independent Jewish Voices” (IJV) has admitted to posting an article on social media that promotes Holocaust denial, but claims it was all unintentional. The article in question was published by Veterans Today, a white supremacist website.

IJV has since doctored its original statement, which was issued in response to Tuesday’s B’nai Brith Canada Investigation revealing that IJV has a history of engaging with Veterans Today.

In its original statement, IJV claimed that it had no idea about the nature of Veterans Today. IJV claims that author Alan Hart is a “widely-respected journalist and Mid-East expert,” and had originally stated that Hart’s piece was published without his permission on the Veterans Today site. In truth, Hart is a well-known conspiracy theorist who peddles the idea that Israel was responsible for the 9/11 terrorist attacks, and is a regular columnist for Veterans Today. IJV has subsequently altered its original release, removing the claim that Hart had no knowledge of the posting on Veterans Today.

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"Independent Jewish Voices" Deletes Half Its Website After B’nai Brith Revelations - B'nai Brith Canada (bnaibrith.ca)



part 3

Independent Jewish Voices Supports Anti-Jewish Al-Quds Day Hatefest



Independent Jewish Voices (IJV) has a long history of headlining the annual anti-Israel al-Quds Day hate rally at Queen’s Park, a B’nai Brith Canada investigation has uncovered. IJV’s links to Holocaust denial and white supremacists were previously exposed by B’nai Brith.

“The fact that a so-called ‘Jewish’ group would align itself in any way with the current Iranian government is appalling,” said Amanda Hohmann, National Director of B’nai Brith Canada’s League for Human Rights. “This is the same regime that hosts an annual Holocaust denial cartoon contest, satirizing the genocide of the Jewish people. Iran’s leaders openly call for the destruction of Israel and the murder of its citizens. The fact that anyone would support such a regime is disturbing, but the idea that a self-proclaimed Jewish group would do so is especially horrific.”

Al-Quds Day was first declared in 1979, in the immediate aftermath of the Islamic Revolution in Iran, to call for the annihilation of the State of Israel. Because of its use as a propaganda tool by the Iranian government, al-Quds Day is boycotted even by many opponents of Israel, and commemorated only by supporters of the Islamic Republic. At the 2013 al-Quds Day rally in Toronto, Palestinian community representative Elias Hazineh called for all Israelis to be shot, leading to a Toronto Police investigation.

Independent Jewish Voices Supports Anti-Jewish Al-Quds Day Hatefest - B'nai Brith Canada (bnaibrith.ca)
 

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Jewish Voices for Peace - Canada man says they are terrorists.
Indendent Jewish Voices Canada - Canada Man says they are terrorists.

Are these groups also terrorists?

And do you think this is terrorism?
 

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1) There have been no negotiations for nearly a decade ...
Yes, Hamas refuses the concept and Abbas has kept making excuses not to. Amazing that you are so for peace that you keep excusing Palestinian factions who refuse to negotiate for peace.

Amazing that your racism has you blaming Jews but not Palestinians for their actions. You claim Abbas "spent his life" trying for peace but reality shows him refusing t o talk, even when settlement freezes were in effect as he demanded and he walked away from an extremely constructive offer in line with the Arab League and UN expectations without even a counter-offer.

But still you want to blame Israel for not militarily forcing Palestinians into peace which would be followed by blaming Israel for unilaterally forcing a peace.


As to your idiotic claims, yes, I have condemned settler violence as terrorism just like I have condemned Palestinian violence. And sorry but Palestinian violence has been continual, daily attacks. the article I posted mentions a rock attack on a civilian car that put a guy in the hospital and a shooting attack on a checkpoint (the latter not terrorism but the attackers lose civilian protections by doing it).

You really are a complete fraud in the way you excuse militant acts by Palestinians while condemning Israeli who do the same things. The anti-semitic double-standard at its finest.
 

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Stop claiming you speak for Palestinians, that's so colonial.
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I don't speak for them but I actually listen to what they say. It seems that Colonial description better fits you for demanding that Palestinians ignore what they want because somehow you know better.

No Palestinian leaders endorse a One State peace. Palestinian polling shows that a vast majority reject a One State peace (and a majority but far fewer) also reject a Two State peace. Hamas openly states they will never accept an Israeli state and openly says their goal is the elimination of the Jewish presence. All of these things should deserve condemnation based on the morals you pretend to have.

Also deserving of condemnation is that 45% of Palestinian polled support "attacks on Israeli civilians inside Israel". Far more than the couple percent of Israelis that backed the racist Ben Gvir.
 

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Yes, Hamas refuses the concept
Still blaming the victims of the occupation for the occupation continuing?

I don't speak for them but I actually listen to what they say. It seems that Colonial description better fits you for demanding that Palestinians ignore what they want because somehow you know better.

No Palestinian leaders endorse a One State peace. Palestinian polling shows that a vast majority reject a One State peace (and a majority but far fewer) also reject a Two State peace. Hamas openly states they will never accept an Israeli state and openly says their goal is the elimination of the Jewish presence. All of these things should deserve condemnation based on the morals you pretend to have.

Also deserving of condemnation is that 45% of Palestinian polled support "attacks on Israeli civilians inside Israel". Far more than the couple percent of Israelis that backed the racist Ben Gvir.
I love how claim to speak for them but only label them 'terrorists' and never, ever actually quote any talk of peaceful resistance like BDS.
Total giveaway.
By the way, latest actual Palestinian polls have support at about 37% and 30% for two and one state solutions.
Your choice is hardly very popular now.

BDS, at the last poll I can find, has the support of 82% of Palestinians.
So stop saying you know what Palestinians think, as it appears you also think they love apartheid and settler colonialism.

BDS is gaining ground, as the fight against South African apartheid did.

Love when you claim that it's anti-semitic to condemn anti-semitism.
See, even you think criticizing Israel is antisemitic, which is the same antisemitic trope that CM uses.
Criticism of the state of Israel is not criticism of the Jewish people.
 

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Still blaming the victims of the occupation for the occupation continuing?
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Still making excuses for terrorists who reject the possibility of peace because they don't want Jews in the region? It is dumb to claim that Hamas are victims.

And do you want Israel to impose peace on Hamas and the PA against their wishes?

And why would I quote BDS? They don't push for peace and are a well documented hiding place for racists.


And YOUR criticism is antisemitic in it's obsessive nature, double standard, your justifying attacks on Jewish civilians who 'dare' set foot on 'Palestinian land', suggest Canadian and American Jews are really Israeli agents, denying Jews the right to self determination while demanding it for Palestinians, and saying Canadian Jews are valid targets for protest about Israel.

You pretty much check off all the boxes of Canada's definition of anti-semitism. At least in this incarnation, you haven't blamed Israel for the Holocaust.

(as prime example of your racist double standard, you claim it's racist to criticize Hamas for their choice to commit terrorism)
 
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