Services - When, How Discussed

[Chloee]

i find providers who are comfortable with her business and are in it for the long game are very comfortable discusssing services, rates and restrictions. It also eliminates the time wasters. I always apologize for the potential rudeness but ask that simple question to get the ball rolling and not waste both our times. The vast majority will reply with a prepared cut and paste blurb (which tells me how often they get this question) and we go from there. The very small minority (like maybe once every 9 months) who responds with an extreme overreaction are usually on some weird high horse and not worth replying to.

100 percent agree !

 

[medalllione]

i find providers who are comfortable with her business and are in it for the long game are very comfortable discusssing services, rates and restrictions. It also eliminates the time wasters. I always apologize for the potential rudeness but ask that simple question to get the ball rolling and not waste both our times. The vast majority will reply with a prepared cut and paste blurb (which tells me how often they get this question) and we go from there. The very small minority (like maybe once every 9 months) who responds with an extreme overreaction are usually on some weird high horse and not worth replying to.

Yeah, I have had my fair share of "extreme overreaction", rude insults even, instantly blocked on Twitter and generally unprofessional response just for asking a simple question on whether or not the SP provides a specific service. I would prefer due diligence and getting everything out in the open beforehand before making an appointment, taking time and effort to get there only to be met with a rude experience.

 

[Taraparker]

Escorts are service providers, and people will naturally want to know what services are provided. Clients come to this with some expectations. This is evidenced by the fact that every escort routinely gets inquires for specific acts.

The idea that escorts refuse inquires because they may encounter people with poor hygiene is a copout. A hairstylist does not refuse inquires because someone might show up with lice. You are either open to providing BBBJ or you’re not. If a client shows up with smegma build up or open sores, it should be a given that they are likely to be refused service.

You might want to frame this as some tactical decision and downplay its impact. But the truth is the “I don’t discuss services” practice is self-serving. It removes negotiation of services out of the equation in favour of the escort, and it gives those with many restrictions cover, allowing them to pick up business they otherwise may not have. A small wonder that some escorts on Twitter gaslight people for making inquiries.

I can see that there are benefits to the practice. But as a perspective client, why go in blind when there are providers that are straightforward?

I feel personally attacked lol

If you MUST know what’s provided then you’re simply not a match and move to someone open to discussing. It’s not a big deal. We can run our businesses as we see fit. Just like rates, you don’t like them, move on. There's plenty of clients out there that go in with an open mind, and that’s evidenced by the fact that I’m often fully booked weeks out. Bottom line, to each their own!

Edit: If providers are rude, that’s unprofessional. But also watch your phrasing cause sometimes prospective clients can come off as rude or brash.

 

[joedrake]

If you MUST know what’s provided then you’re simply not a match and move to someone open to discussing. It’s not a big deal. We can run our businesses as we see fit. Just like rates, you don’t like them, move on.

I agree with you on this. You have the right to run your business the way you see fit and if that includes not discussing specific services so be it. This decision should be respected. Also, if a client want to know if a specific service is available but the provider will not confirm, it is his right not to see that provider. This decision should also be respected.

I disagree that providers are rude, that’s unprofessional in my opinion.

I would disagree with you on this point. Just as there are rude clients, there are rude providers. Tara, you are caring and as I can attest enjoy an intimate personable session. However, not all providers are like you. Some adopt an attitude of "how dare you even ask" or are only after the money and will treat a client accordingly.

 

[Taraparker]

I agree with you on this. You have the right to run your business the way you see fit and if that includes not discussing specific services so be it. This decision should be respected. Also, if a client want to know if a specific service is available but the provider will not confirm, it is his right not to see that provider. This decision should also be respected.



I would disagree with you on this point. Just as there are rude clients, there are rude providers. Tara, you are caring and as I can attest enjoy an intimate personable session. However, not all providers are like you. Some adopt an attitude of "how dare you even ask" or are only after the money and will treat a client accordingly.

I think we agree with one another. I edited my last sentence, what I was meaning to say, was that I don’t agree with providers who are rude and unprofessional, same thing with clients. We should all play nice and have fun!

edit: also keep in mind if you’re met with rude replies, keep in mind that the provider could be dealing with a lot of rude inquiries that day and you may have been the one guy to reach her breaking point.

 

[gibarian]

The idea that escorts refuse inquires because they may encounter people with poor hygiene is a copout. A hairstylist does not refuse inquires because someone might show up with lice. You are either open to providing BBBJ or you’re not. If a client shows up with smegma build up or open sores, it should be a given that they are likely to be refused service.

Your comparison is made in bad faith, whether or not you intended it to be. For one thing, you're comparing an intimate act to a casual one, which is always an intellectual failure and non-starter. Furthermore, the incidence of people with lice who go to a hairdresser is simply less frequent than unhygienic clients who go to a service provider.

You say it's a "given" that clients who do that should be refused service, and yet it still happens, dudes like that still show up to bookings constantly. You can easily finds dozens of anecdotes about it on boards like this or on Twitter. If you get close enough to a SW that they want to have those discussions with you, you can hear stories straight from the experiencer.

Anyway, at the end of the day the most relevant/irrefutable thing is that it's less fraught to say no to a service you didn't previously indicate you were open to. Some SPs choose to operate that way to save themselves hassle and the possibility of in-person conflict that could escalate.

I can see that there are benefits to the practice. But as a perspective client, why go in blind when there are providers that are straightforward?

I mean, as a client who has seen quite a few providers who don't want to be asked about specifics in advance, the answer to that question is incredibly simple: many of them DO do all the prurient things you're tempted to quibble about while planning the booking. Be confident in your hygiene and good conduct. If you find a provider's looks/personality to be extremely attractive it seems bizarrely self-sabotaging to fixate on the possibility of not having a specific act fulfilled, instead of just making an intro-length booking and finding out yourself.

 

[MarianneC]

Though I've never had to deal with this situation with deposits during my own time. I've always worked at agencies or spas, which have their own mechanisms for ensuring clients show up. Though I can understand why an independent girl might want to ask for deposits just to avoid their own time being wasted. But once it's been agreed that the client and the provider will not be seeing each other, then it is fair that it should be refunded, minus any service charges that may have been charged for the transfer. If the client is not willing to even lose the small service fee costs, then this is not a hobby they should be pursuing.

 

[slobbyist]

Though I've never had to deal with this situation with deposits during my own time. I've always worked at agencies or spas, which have their own mechanisms for ensuring clients show up. Though I can understand why an independent girl might want to ask for deposits just to avoid their own time being wasted. But once it's been agreed that the client and the provider will not be seeing each other, then it is fair that it should be refunded, minus any service charges that may have been charged for the transfer. If the client is not willing to even lose the small service fee costs, then this is not a hobby they should be pursuing.

Reasonable compromise but unlikely any reasonable refund will return to the clients. Most SP requires full donation upfront before the session starts. Almost nil chance of getting any money back for whatever reasons .

 

[Taraparker]

Your comparison is made in bad faith, whether or not you intended it to be. For one thing, you're comparing an intimate act to a casual one, which is always an intellectual failure and non-starter. Furthermore, the incidence of people with lice who go to a hairdresser is simply less frequent than unhygienic clients who go to a service provider.

You say it's a "given" that clients who do that should be refused service, and yet it still happens, dudes like that still show up to bookings constantly. You can easily finds dozens of anecdotes about it on boards like this or on Twitter. If you get close enough to a SW that they want to have those discussions with you, you can hear stories straight from the experiencer.

Anyway, at the end of the day the most relevant/irrefutable thing is that it's less fraught to say no to a service you didn't previously indicate you were open to. Some SPs choose to operate that way to save themselves hassle and the possibility of in-person conflict that could escalate


I mean, as a client who has seen quite a few providers who don't want to be asked about specifics in advance, the answer to that question is incredibly simple: many of them DO do all the prurient things you're tempted to quibble about while planning the booking. Be confident in your hygiene and good conduct. If you find a provider's looks/personality to be extremely attractive it seems bizarrely self-sabotaging to fixate on the possibility of not having a specific act fulfilled, instead of just making an intro-length booking and finding out yourself.

Seriously, couldn’t be more on point. You don’t know how awkward it is to promise a client you’re going to deliver certain services, then they come in unhygienic or have a cranky mood killing attitude which makes providers uncomfortable. Then you have both parties upset, and sometimes come spewing on this board that promised services aren’t performed.

Everyone should remember that we are people who have turn ons and turn offs, just like you.

 

[Chloee]

Yeah, I have had my fair share of "extreme overreaction", rude insults even, instantly blocked on Twitter and generally unprofessional response just for asking a simple question on whether or not the SP provides a specific service. I would prefer due diligence and getting everything out in the open beforehand before making an appointment, taking time and effort to get there only to be met with a rude experience.

I feel like that’s a red flag , if they can’t answer .

 

[Chloee]

Seriously, couldn’t be more on point. You don’t know how awkward it is to promise a client you’re going to deliver certain services, then they come in unhygienic or have a cranky mood killing attitude which makes providers uncomfortable. Then you have both parties upset, and sometimes come spewing on this board that promised services aren’t performed.

Everyone should remember that we are people who have turn ons and turn offs, just like you.

Agree so much with this

 

[dynomyte]

Just as there are many "types" of clients there are also many "types" of providers. Some are open to discuss services , some are not. Those who will discuss might be honest while others are just trying to close the deal. This is why review boards should have some value to them so that clients can make sense of the market. I recognize that every experience is unique and that what happens between a provider and client may not be the same for the next client, but it does give feel if you will. I dont doubt that providers do something similar especially when they have a bad date.

All this to say, if a provider is promising something but not delivering on it, this is the place to mention that ad it is buyer beware transaction. This is how we get some level of intel to beware.

 

[KittyCaterina]

Because I have a website with a very clear list of the 30+ services I provide, my hard restrictions and my rates (my ads clearly contain my rates too), I do get annoyed with the typical RATES AND SERVICES or WHAT SERVICES DO YOU PROVIDE texts.

Not because I do not want to discuss them... Because I shouldn't be expected to list 30+ services that you are too lazy to read on my website.
It is easier if you ask me about the specific services you are looking for rather than asking for everything I provide.

My response to the broad WHAT SERVICES question is almost always a direction link to my website and 80% of the time I never hear back.
Why? Because they are lazy time wasters.
They get off on texting multiple SPs and asking RATES AND SERVICES without intending to actually book. These are the same people who text HI or AVAIL?
So many ladies are hesitant to discuss services in detail.
If it is clear someone has read my ad and website and just wants to confirm a service or specifics about a service, I am OK with this as long as it doesn't head into sexting territory.

I understand why some SPs do not want to discuss services or guarantee services and I respect their choice. So should you and if you don't like it, move on to another lady.
Bad attitude, bad hygeine and certain conditions such as Phimosis or Psoriasis on the genitals, even just terrible breath can affect services. This is why some SPs protect themselves by not discussing specifics.
You see this more with ladies on the higher end of rates. They are selling an experience, not a "menu" or a checklist. Not to say us lower end or mid rate ladies don't provide an experience, I just couldn't think of a better word.

I do offer specific services and have a "menu" on my website but it is a given IMO that if you show up with rotten teeth, terrible breath, unclean facial hair, dried spit in the corners of your mouth or huge gross boogers in your nose, I will not kiss or DFK you. The booger thing has been such a huge issue lately that I've mentioned it in my guidelines section. Clean your nose!
Same with a smelly dick, smelly balls, an overall smell of shitty ass, smegma, Phimosis or Psoriasis on your shaft, you will not get BBBJ.
You haven't shaved your balls? No BLS.
You haven't used an enema? No buttplay.
These things should be a given, but guess what? They aren't to so many, hence why YMMV exists and certain ladies will not talk specifics or list specifics.
There are too many times I've forced myself through horrible disgusting situations because I am afraid of backlash or the confrontation of YOU PROMISED THESE SERVICES.

Sorry for being crass, I felt it was necessary to get my point across.

 

[joedrake]

Because I have a website with a very clear list of the 30+ services I provide, my hard restrictions and my rates (my ads clearly contain my rates too), I do get annoyed with the typical RATES AND SERVICES or WHAT SERVICES DO YOU PROVIDE texts.

Not because I do not want to discuss them... Because I shouldn't be expected to list 30+ services that you are too lazy to read on my website.
It is easier if you ask me about the specific services you are looking for rather than asking for everything I provide.

My response to the broad WHAT SERVICES question is almost always a direction link to my website and 80% of the time I never hear back.
Why? Because they are lazy time wasters.
They get off on texting multiple SPs and asking RATES AND SERVICES without intending to actually book. These are the same people who text HI or AVAIL?
So many ladies are hesitant to discuss services in detail.
If it is clear someone has read my ad and website and just wants to confirm a service or specifics about a service, I am OK with this as long as it doesn't head into sexting territory.

I understand why some SPs do not want to discuss services or guarantee services and I respect their choice. So should you and if you don't like it, move on to another lady.
Bad attitude, bad hygeine and certain conditions such as Phimosis or Psoriasis on the genitals, even just terrible breath can affect services. This is why some SPs protect themselves by not discussing specifics.
You see this more with ladies on the higher end of rates. They are selling an experience, not a "menu" or a checklist. Not to say us lower end or mid rate ladies don't provide an experience, I just couldn't think of a better word.

I do offer specific services and have a "menu" on my website but it is a given IMO that if you show up with rotten teeth, terrible breath, unclean facial hair, dried spit in the corners of your mouth or huge gross boogers in your nose, I will not kiss or DFK you. The booger thing has been such a huge issue lately that I've mentioned it in my guidelines section. Clean your nose!
Same with a smelly dick, smelly balls, an overall smell of shitty ass, smegma, Phimosis or Psoriasis on your shaft, you will not get BBBJ.
You haven't shaved your balls? No BLS.
You haven't used an enema? No buttplay.
These things should be a given, but guess what? They aren't to so many, hence why YMMV exists and certain ladies will not talk specifics or list specifics.
There are too many times I've forced myself through horrible disgusting situations because I am afraid of backlash or the confrontation of YOU PROMISED THESE SERVICES.

Sorry for being crass, I felt it was necessary to get my point across.

I agree with your comment. You highlight some issues that providers have to deal with on a regular basis, those being guys who are lazy, carrot dangers or worse. Communication is key and unfortunately you have deal with guys who do not engage in respectful communication.

I should also state that no one should be required to engage in an act when the other person is not clean. You may be willing to provide something but it should always be conditioned upon the good hygiene, or lack thereof, of the client.

You are a provider that lists specific services and invites inquires for other services. You have made the decision to provide some, but not all, details of what you are willing to provide. As such, you should be given the respect by guys to communicate at that level. I can understand the frustration when you are not given that respect and keep getting asked about services that you have listed.

Where some problems occur is when a provider does not list services or lists services in very general ways, i.e. I am a GFE provider, I provide light PSE. The provider may have very legitimate reasons for not providing details on her services. However, by not providing such details only invites repeated questions about her services, even from the most respectful clients. This brings us back to the original question of when to discuss services in these circumstances.

 

[Willie Layer]

I do offer specific services and have a "menu" on my website but it is a given IMO that if you show up with rotten teeth, terrible breath, unclean facial hair, dried spit in the corners of your mouth or huge gross boogers in your nose, I will not kiss or DFK you. The booger thing has been such a huge issue lately that I've mentioned it in my guidelines section. Clean your nose!
Same with a smelly dick, smelly balls, an overall smell of shitty ass, smegma, Phimosis or Psoriasis on your shaft, you will not get BBBJ.
You haven't shaved your balls? No BLS.
You haven't used an enema? No buttplay.
These things should be a given, but guess what? They aren't to so many, hence why YMMV exists and certain ladies will not talk specifics or list specifics.
There are too many times I've forced myself through horrible disgusting situations because I am afraid of backlash or the confrontation of YOU PROMISED THESE SERVICES.

Sorry for being crass, I felt it was necessary to get my point across.

Not crass at all.
I’m sorry to see these types of posts so regularly from providers, both here and on Twitter. Sometimes they will be a little more subtle like “gentlemen, please be impeccable with hygiene when you arrive”, or even “please wash your ass!” but some guys are so dense they need explicit instructions on how to achieve maximum service from a lady. Thank you.

20 years ago I had to import a Toto Washlet bidet from Japan. Nowadays you can find them everywhere. GREAT INVESTMENT!

 

[Selfishslutxxx]

My response to the broad WHAT SERVICES question is almost always a direction link to my website and 80% of the time I never hear back.
Why? Because they are lazy time wasters.
They get off on texting multiple SPs and asking RATES AND SERVICES without intending to actually book. These are the same people who text HI or AVAIL?
So many ladies are hesitant to discuss services in detail.
If it is clear someone has read my ad and website and just wants to confirm a service or specifics about a service, I am OK with this as long as it doesn't head into sexting territory.

Please say that louder for people in the back!

I would rather take a customer being rude to my face than spend a day texting with time wasters like that. It's the reason why i don't bump my Leo ad as often, cause they swarm me with "hey" "available" "babe" at 3 am.

Sorry, a little off topic but couldn't help myself not to vent

 

[DirtyMiind]

As all of the reasonable people have suggested, if the provider is unwilling to confirm they provide the service you, as the paying client, are looking for, just walk. No need to engage with princesses, it never ends well.

Oh, and how nice it is to see people ignoring the usual suspect(s), really makes this a better place.

 

[William St]

Please say that louder for people in the back!

I would rather take a customer being rude to my face than spend a day texting with time wasters like that. It's the reason why i don't bump my Leo ad as often, cause they swarm me with "hey" "available" "babe" at 3 am.

Sorry, a little off topic but couldn't help myself not to vent

Penny, you are right. However, you and I connected when I texted you about your services. Since then I've had several sessions with you (and with very gratifying results). You absolutely rock a bj! Curious members can pm me.

 

[Taraparker]

As all of the reasonable people have suggested, if the provider is unwilling to confirm they provide the service you, as the paying client, are looking for, just walk. No need to engage with princesses, it never ends well.

Oh, and how nice it is to see people ignoring the usual suspect(s), really makes this a better place.

So people who disagree with you or want to assert their boundaries with what they feel comfortable with are princesses?
Usually, I like to be diplomatic in these posts and try to have a mature and constructive conversation, but you just struck a nerve with me today.

It’s funny you decided to contribute to this conversation with an entitled and condescending message. Although we met three years ago, you were the most difficult client I have ever interacted with since I became a SW. Your inquiry was so painful how you asked questions, how high maintenance you were. We won’t even get into your review that made zero sense. If anything, you’re one of the reasons I have chosen not to discuss services anymore, so I don’t have to deal with princesses like you.

 

[Lonzo]

Seriously, couldn’t be more on point. You don’t know how awkward it is to promise a client you’re going to deliver certain services, then they come in unhygienic or have a cranky mood killing attitude which makes providers uncomfortable. Then you have both parties upset, and sometimes come spewing on this board that promised services aren’t performed.

Everyone should remember that we are people who have turn ons and turn offs, just like you.

Why not tell the clients that you'll provide "the services" after doing an inspection? If the inspection is not passed successfully, you could revert back to a less expensive and basic experience. Seems like a good solution for both sides.