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[JohnLarue]

Hmmm…. Same source.



and I debunk you once again…

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you did not explain your US housing pricing gaff
Explain again how Steven Haper is responsible for the US case-shiller index ?



Toronto prices do not represent Canada

besides look at the slope change post 2015

One moron defending a different moron

run away now,

 

[JohnLarue]

Hmmm…. Same source.

wrong once again
better get your mom to help you

 

[poker]

you did not explain your US housing pricing gaff
Explain again how Steven Haper is responsible for the US case-shiller index ?



Toronto prices do not represent Canada

besides look at the slope change post 2015

One moron defending a different moron

run away now,

bahahahahahhaha….. Toronto does not represent Canada???? It’s only it’s biggest city and economic engine.

I imagine you would want me to run away. Point out how wrong you are over and over and over.

listen you shifty shifty Terb member…. Are you honestly saying there was no bubble during Harper. I am not saying saying Harper caused it. I am saying if “you” are going to blame Trudeau for today… then “you” have to apply the same standard to Harper.

But you won’t. You will harp on my honest mistake. You misrepresent data, and my argument. I imagine you are at home playing “I can’t stand losing” on your moms hi-fi.

 

[JohnLarue]

bahahahahahhaha….. Toronto does not represent Canada???? It’s only it’s biggest city and economic engine.

Housing prices in Toronto have always been higher than just about anywhere else in Canada

I imagine you would want me to run away. Point out how wrong you are over and over and over.

Actually you running away would save you from embarrassing yourself any more

listen you shifty shifty Terb member…. Are you honestly saying there was no bubble during Harper. I am not saying saying Harper caused it. I am saying if “you” are going to blame Trudeau for today… then “you” have to apply the same standard to Harper.

There has almost always been a steady increase in Canadian Housing prices
They went stratospheric under Justin the Morons free spending money printing irresponsible government
This is an undeniable fact

But you won’t. You will harp on my honest mistake.

Everyone makes mistakes
I am sure I will make a mistake sometime in the future
I will own up to them , where as you still claim to have " debunked me" and continued to hurl insults

Re only 2011 data , that's what was displayed and it showed how the asset bubble was created under Justin (The Moron) Yrudeau

I can not understand why you would defend having a moron in charge, Inflation will hurt you and the ones you care about badly

You misrepresent data, and my argument. I imagine you are at home playing “I can’t stand losing” on your moms hi-fi.

"I cant stand losing" ?? I am not familiar with your theme song , but one would think you must be accustom to losing by now

shoo now , run away

 

[poker]

Housing prices in Toronto have always been higher than just about anywhere else in Canada



Actually you running away would save you from embarrassing yourself any more



There has almost always been a steady increase in Canadian Housing prices
They went stratospheric under Justin the Morons free spending money printing irresponsible government
This is an undeniable fact

Everyone makes mistakes
I am sure I will make a mistake sometime in the future
I will own up to them , where as you still claim to have " debunked me" and continued to hurl insults

Re only 2011 data , that's what was displayed and it showed how the asset bubble was created under Justin (The Moron) Yrudeau

I can not understand why you would defend having a moron in charge, Inflation will hurt you and the ones you care about badly



"I cant stand losing" ?? I am not familiar with your theme song , but one would think you must be accustom to losing by now

shoo now , run away

Yes John… Toronto has been in a massive bubble…. As I said all along. As a matter of fact…. Started on the 80’s…. Then there was the crash in ‘89. This was all population driven. The boomers hit house buying age… then by late ‘89 the last of the boomers was of age. Developers at the time were not up on demographic shifts, and kept building. Too much supply, and the demand was already housed. And crash it did. Ahhh, the Mulroney years. Could have avoided a crash… but the market was mismanaged by a Conservative government.

Then, the prosperity years of Chrétien/Martin… look at trend. Up up up.

Then Harper got in, and after a few years, the economy crashed… so did the Toronto Market.

Now Trudeau is in. He had little to do with the Covid Pandemic, and the Ford shut us down. He had too, I get it. But here you are laying it all on JT, and say nothing ever about Ford. Typical identity politics. Not based on reality at all. Go figure.

Now, come back at me line by line with off hand quips, and charts…. But you rarely address the real argument, and you know I am right. That’s why you condensed your chart to 2011. The end of the Harper years, and all the Trudeau years. Blame Trudeau for a pandemic, and skip over Harpers 2008 meltdown.

 

[basketcase]

Yes John… Toronto has been in a massive bubble…. As I said all along. As a matter of fact…. Started on the 80’s…. Then there was the crash in ‘89. This was all population driven. The boomers hit house buying age… then by late ‘89 the last of the boomers was of age. Developers at the time were not up on demographic shifts, and kept building. Too much supply, and the demand was already housed. ...

Sorry but this was all obviously Trudeau's fault.

 

[JohnLarue]

Yes John… Toronto has been in a massive bubble…. As I said all along. As a matter of fact…. Started on the 80’s…. Then there was the crash in ‘89. This was all population driven. The boomers hit house buying age… then by late ‘89 the last of the boomers was of age. Developers at the time were not up on demographic shifts, and kept building. Too much supply, and the demand was already housed. And crash it did. Ahhh, the Mulroney years. Could have avoided a crash… but the market was mismanaged by a Conservative government.

anyone who has any understanding of economics Know what the case Shiller index represents
You should avoid pontificating about what you do not understand

Then, the prosperity years of Chrétien/Martin… look at trend. Up up up.

You insult Jean Chretien / Paul Martin trying to use their names to defend the moron Justin Trudeau
You are not aware enough to see or even understand what a hard left turn the Liberals have taken under the moron
This is not the Liberal party of Jean Chretien / Paul Martin

Then Harper got in, and after a few years, the economy crashed… so did the Toronto Market.

The prices of every asset declined in 2008/ 2009 - It was called a financial crisis- not caused by Stephan harper
Canada came out of that crises better than any G7 country under Stephan harper stewardship
He got back to balance
The moron Justin won't ever balance a budget and will leave generations of Canadians saddled with his debt

Now Trudeau is in. He had little to do with the Covid Pandemic, and the Ford shut us down. He had too, I get it. But here you are laying it all on JT, and say nothing ever about Ford. Typical identity politics. Not based on reality at all. Go figure.

What is wrong with you?
Doug Ford does not make Justins any smarter or less culpable in his financial miss management

Now, come back at me line by line with off hand quips, and charts…. But you rarely address the real argument, and you know I am right.

The real argument is simple
Justin is a moron and he is spending your grandkids tax dollars today

That’s why you condensed your chart to 2011.

What part of "That is the way the chart was displayed upon opening', did you not understand?

The end of the Harper years, and all the Trudeau years. Blame Trudeau for a pandemic, and skip over Harpers 2008 meltdown.

you are too much
Stephen Harper throttled back the spending once the 08 crisis abated and he got back to balance

The pandemic is over , yet Justin continues to borrow and will never even think about getting back to balance

Franco Terrazzano: Ottawa depending on economic blue skies to balance the budget (msn.com)

This year, the PBO’s data shows they will balance the budget in 2041

Now brace yourself for the bad news. The feds won’t balance the budget in 2041 if: interest rates tick up, the economy doesn’t grow every year without fail and politicians can’t summon the spine to say no to new spending.

Gee
1. Interest rates are increasing
2. The economy is headed for a recession Maybe Canada will luck out with two decades of uninterrupted growth — something that hasn’t happened since, well, ever
3. Justin can’t summon the spine to say no to new spending.

The Trudeau government was spending more money before the pandemic than Ottawa did during any year of the Second World War, even after accounting for inflation and population growth. And this year the government wants to spend $90 billion more than that .

learn something for a change

Even if the feds do finally balance the budget in 2041 thanks to relatively low interest rates and steady economic growth, interest charges on the government credit card will have cost taxpayers $802 billion over those two decades. That’s $18,000 for every Canadian. One of the main problems with never-ending deficits is precisely that the more the government borrows, the more interest taxpayers are forced to pay instead of that money being used to improve government services and lower taxes.

Justin Trudeau is a moron and he is making a god awful mess

 

[Frankfooter]

The prices of every asset declined in 2008/ 2009 - It was called a financial crisis- not caused by Stephan harper
Canada came out of that crises better than any G7 country under Stephan harper stewardship
He got back to balance

What was it you said?

learn something for a change

 

[poker]

anyone who has any understanding of economics Know what the case Shiller index represents
You should avoid pontificating about what you do not understand




You insult Jean Chretien / Paul Martin trying to use their names to defend the moron Justin Trudeau
You are not aware enough to see or even understand what a hard left turn the Liberals have taken under the moron
This is not the Liberal party of Jean Chretien / Paul Martin



The prices of every asset declined in 2008/ 2009 - It was called a financial crisis- not caused by Stephan harper
Canada came out of that crises better than any G7 country under Stephan harper stewardship
He got back to balance
The moron Justin won't ever balance a budget and will leave generations of Canadians saddled with his debt




What is wrong with you?
Doug Ford does not make Justins any smarter or less culpable in his financial miss management




The real argument is simple
Justin is a moron and he is spending your grandkids tax dollars today


What part of "That is the way the chart was displayed upon opening', did you not understand?


you are too much
Stephen Harper throttled back the spending once the 08 crisis abated and he got back to balance

The pandemic is over , yet Justin continues to borrow and will never even think about getting back to balance

Franco Terrazzano: Ottawa depending on economic blue skies to balance the budget (msn.com)





Gee
1. Interest rates are increasing
2. The economy is headed for a recession Maybe Canada will luck out with two decades of uninterrupted growth — something that hasn’t happened since, well, ever
3. Justin can’t summon the spine to say no to new spending.



learn something for a change


Justin Trudeau is a moron and he is making a god awful mess

Boom. You did exactly what I said you would do. Made an excuse for Harper because there was a crisis in his tenure…. But refuse to acknowledge Trudeau had a crisis much worse than Harpers. And, you can’t even bring yourself to admit a Conservative government did the lockdowns.

You do not disappoint… lol.

my original point in all this was there was a housing bubble on the major cities. It created the real inflation. That and corporate greed. Record profits…

You say arrogant shit about me understanding economics…. Is that supposed to mean there was no housing bubble? Because there was. I promise you.

Why are you like this? Is it a personality disorder? I know full well you know there was a housing bubble in the Harper years.

I will grant you, you are correct…. The Chrétien Liberals were much better than todays. They were also better than todays Conservative party.

 

[JohnLarue]

Boom. You did exactly what I said you would do. Made an excuse for Harper because there was a crisis in his tenure…. But refuse to acknowledge Trudeau had a crisis much worse than Harpers. And, you can’t even bring yourself to admit a Conservative government did the lockdowns.

you do not seem to understand the difference between throttling back the spending / working towards balance and continuing to spend irresponsibly post crisis

You do not disappoint… lol.

you disappoint with every post

my original point in all this was there was a housing bubble on the major cities. It created the real inflation. That and corporate greed. Record profits…

too bad for you housing prices are moderating, while inflation remains a crippling problem
food price are not a function of housing prices

You say arrogant shit about me understanding economics…. Is that supposed to mean there was no housing bubble? Because there was. I promise you.

thinking case Shiller represented CAD housing price is a sure indicator of economic ignorance

Why are you like this? Is it a personality disorder? I know full well you know there was a housing bubble in the Harper years.

What you truly understand would not fill a dixie cup

I will grant you, you are correct…. The Chrétien Liberals were much better than todays. They were also better than todays Conservative party.

and todays liberals are led by an irresponsible damn fool moron

 

[squeezer]

 

[poker]

thinking case Shiller represented CAD housing price is a sure indicator of economic ignorance



What you truly understand would not fill a dixie cup

But I don’t think that at all. I simply googled Canadian Housing prices and that was one of the charts that came up. A simple error on my part. I was walking back from the gym to the car. Shit happens. Let’s be grown ups and move on, as I have acknowledged my mistake.

Now…. You make a wee fallacy in your argument. You base it on me.

the fallacy fallacy
You presumed that because a claim has been poorly argued, or a fallacy has been made, that the claim itself must be wrong.
It is entirely possible to make a claim that is false yet argue with logical coherency for that claim, just as it is possible to make a claim that is true and justify it with various fallacies and poor arguments.

Example: Recognising that Amanda had committed a fallacy in arguing that we should eat healthy food because a nutritionist said it was popular, Alyse said we should therefore eat bacon double cheeseburgers every day.


It think this argument, along with the strawman Sums up your strategy.

I will say it again…. The Real Estate Bubble in the major cities did more to the economy than Trudeau’s Pandemic Spending. It was actual dollars that cause prices to go up immediately. Rents have more than doubled in the last decade in parts of the province. When Ford shut us down you expected us to go homeless?

And do not even try to say that he was spending at the same pace before the pandemic.

And why isn’t Doug Fords extra spending causing this inflation in your world… oh, it does not fit the narrative.

 

[poker]

too bad for you housing prices are moderating, while inflation remains a crippling problem
food price are not a function of housing prices

I said Real Estate, not housing.

John, let me explain something…. If a person build himself a home, or borrowed money to buy a business 4 years ago…. He does not owe less money on it now because the market cooled.

And yes, real estate is a cost in the food business. From farms, to processing, to manufacturing, to shipping, to retail. They all need real estate to operate from, and on. Please tell you understand truckers have a yard, head office and dispatchers. They work in a building.

Please tell me you understand the difference between a $200k mortgage vs $15M mortgage as a monthly payment and fixed cost.

Actually. Do us both a favour. Don’t respond at all. It’s clear you are not interested in honest discussion. You just want to argue. Even on points we agree on, you manage to turn those into arguments too.

have a nice day.

 

[JohnLarue]

I said Real Estate, not housing.

John, let me explain something…. If a person build himself a home, or borrowed money to buy a business 4 years ago…. He does not owe less money on it now because the market cooled.

And yes, real estate is a cost in the food business. From farms, to processing, to manufacturing, to shipping, to retail. They all need real estate to operate from, and on. Please tell you understand truckers have a yard, head office and dispatchers. They work in a building.

Please tell me you understand the difference between a $200k mortgage vs $15M mortgage as a monthly payment and fixed cost.

Actually. Do us both a favour. Don’t respond at all. It’s clear you are not interested in honest discussion. You just want to argue. Even on points we agree on, you manage to turn those into arguments too.

have a nice day.

This round of inflation began in the spring of 2020
Turnover of farm / commercial mortgages and rents could not be the primary cause of this inflation

If you had a clue you would know this round of inflation is not driven by housing pricing or Real Estate
it has been driven by too much printed money (Justin) , incredibly stupid energy policies (Justin) and supply chain issues

But you do not have a clue, rather you just have a failed ideological devotion to a moron

Actually. Do us both a favour. Don’t respond at all. It’s clear you are not interested in honest discussion. You just want to argue. Even on points we agree on, you manage to turn those into arguments too.

You have the option not to embarrass yourself any more by simply not responding
Don't tell me what to do. I do not take advise from economic know nothings

 

[Frankfooter]

If you had a clue you would know this round of inflation is not driven by housing pricing or Real Estate
it has been driven by too much printed money (Justin) , incredibly stupid energy policies (Justin) and supply chain issues

What a stupid claim.
Global inflation has come from a combo of Covid supply issues, climate change food cost increases and oil despots raising prices.
Not Canadian monetary policy.

 

[poker]

This round of inflation began in the spring of 2020
Turnover of farm / commercial mortgages and rents could not be the primary cause of this inflation

If you had a clue you would know this round of inflation is not driven by housing pricing or Real Estate
it has been driven by too much printed money (Justin) , incredibly stupid energy policies (Justin) and supply chain issues

But you do not have a clue, rather you just have a failed ideological devotion to a moron



You have the option not to embarrass yourself any more by simply not responding
Don't tell me what to do. I do not take advise from economic know nothings

All this from a guy denying the Canadian Real Estate Bubble… and I am embarrassing myself?

You know, I could report you to mods for those kind of insults. It’s a good thing for you I got big shoulders.

 

[JohnLarue]

But I don’t think that at all. I simply googled Canadian Housing prices and that was one of the charts that came up. A simple error on my part. I was walking back from the gym to the car. Shit happens. Let’s be grown ups and move on, as I have acknowledged my mistake

.

I do not believe you
Your Case Shiller mistake shows your economic understanding is woefully lacking
1. Case Shiller - Common knowledge for anyone who has studied economics
2, The massive price correct in your graph 2009 should have been a clue your graph represented the US , not Canada

Your just a copy/ paste / spew ideology crap kind of guy

Now…. You make a wee fallacy in your argument. You base it on me.

the fallacy fallacy
You presumed that because a claim has been poorly argued, or a fallacy has been made, that the claim itself must be wrong.
It is entirely possible to make a claim that is false yet argue with logical coherency for that claim, just as it is possible to make a claim that is true and justify it with various fallacies and poor arguments.

Example: Recognising that Amanda had committed a fallacy in arguing that we should eat healthy food because a nutritionist said it was popular, Alyse said we should therefore eat bacon double cheeseburgers every day.


It think this argument, along with the strawman Sums up your strategy.

Yawn

I will say it again…. The Real Estate Bubble in the major cities did more to the economy than Trudeau’s Pandemic Spending.

Wrong

It was actual dollars that cause prices to go up immediately. Rents have more than doubled in the last decade in parts of the province.

Odd how inflation was sub 2% for the majority of that same decade

ontario rental increase 2022 - Search (bing.com)
1.2%
Ontario caps rent increases at 2.5 per cent for 2023 | The Star

When Ford shut us down you expected us to go homeless?

Were you homeless beforehand?

And do not even try to say that he was spending at the same pace before the pandemic.

And why isn’t Doug Fords extra spending causing this inflation in your world… oh, it does not fit the narrative.

What is wrong with you?
Doug Ford does not make Justin any smarter or less culpable in his financial miss management

Inflation is a Canada wide issue

 

[poker]

.

I do not believe you
Your Case Shiller mistake shows your economic understanding is woefully lacking
1. Case Shiller - Common knowledge for anyone who has studied economics
2, The massive price correct in your graph 2009 should have been a clue your graph represented the US , not Canada

Your just a copy/ paste / spew ideology crap kind of guy





Yawn


Wrong



Odd how inflation was sub 2% for the majority of that same decade

ontario rental increase 2022 - Search (bing.com)
1.2%
Ontario caps rent increases at 2.5 per cent for 2023 | The Star



Were you homeless beforehand?




What is wrong with you?
Doug Ford does not make Justin any smarter or less culpable in his financial miss management

Inflation is a Canada wide issue

Nobody gives a shit what you believe. It’s makes no difference in anyone’s life.


So you think shutting down the economy for the better part of 2 years would have no effect on the economy? Not even a good tap dance avoiding any criticism of Ford. Wow.

And then the PM should not spend in a crisis, unless it is a PM you like, then Harper gets a free pass. Fucking brilliant.

And you can yawn all you like…
I’m 100% right. You’re kinda basic and predictable.

 

[JohnLarue]

Nobody gives a shit what you believe. It’s makes no difference in anyone’s life.

Then why did you respond?
Why do you continue to embarrass yourself?
Too funny

So you think shutting down the economy for the better part of 2 years would have no effect on the economy?

??
were you walking back from the gym while you posted that blither mess of incoherence?


Actual the effect on the economy of shutting down the economy would be to .... wait for it ........shut down the economy
Too funny
try reading what you type before you post


and do not misrepresent me.
You are incapable of knowing what I am thinking, so do not try to tell me what I think
you never get it right

Not even a good tap dance avoiding any criticism of Ford. Wow.

The carbon tax is Federal, the wasteful spending is Federal & inflation is Canada wide
Do you think it's a conspiracy by all of the premiers?


Your moron idol Justin Trudeau only knows how to do one thing- spending other people's money

The Trudeau government was spending more money before the pandemic than Ottawa did during any year of the Second World War, even after accounting for inflation and population growth. And this year the government wants to spend $90 billion more than that .

explain why continue excessive borrowing / spending is still required

And then the PM should not spend in a crisis, unless it is a PM you like, then Harper gets a free pass. Fucking brilliant.

you do not seem to understand the difference between throttling back the spending / working towards balance post crisis and continuing to spend irresponsibly post crisis

And you can yawn all you like…
I’m 100% right. You’re kinda basic and predictable.

Nope you are embarrassing wrong

This is sadly due in part to your woefully poor understanding of economics ,compounded by your ideological devotion to the moron Trudeau
Do you have a man crush on Mr. Dress up , i.e, Justin (the moron) Trudeau?

 

[squeezer]

WIll PEE PEE admit it, will he apologize, WILL HE take responsibility?

Poor poor Pee pee