Bill Clinton: ‘There Is a Limit’ to How Many Migrants U.S. Can Take Without Causing ‘Disruption’

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Former President Bill Clinton said on CNN’s “Fareed Zakaria GPS” podcast that “there is a limit” to how many migrants the United States can accept before it causes disruption.

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ZAKARIA: Let me ask you about another issue you guys are going to take up at CGI, refugees. And one of the things that I think the right has hammered at, with regard to the Democratic Party and President Biden, is this issue of refugees coming into the United States. And I think it’s fair to say that the asylum system seems to be broken. This was meant to be a system that allowed people who were in desperate circumstances, and now what you have is a lot of people who are essentially economic migrants coming in, essentially gaming the system, using the asylum way to get in. Isn’t it — isn’t it true that there has to be some order placed on this, some control on this?
CLINTON: I agree with that. There is a limit to how many migrants any society can take without severe disruption and assistance. And our system is based much more on an assumption that things would be more normal.
For example, as long as I can remember, we’ve had an immigration system, we’ve given green cards to people from other countries who had valuable skills that we needed. And it generally had a lot of support until somebody felt their economic interests were threatened.
When I was a boy, when I was a young man even, Mexican citizens moved freely back and forth across the Rio Grande River and did agricultural work. And it worked for people. NAFTA happened at a time when there was increasing industrialization. Everybody knew that was going to happen, but it did displace jobs.
El Paso lost 6,600 jobs when the manufacturing of jeans went across the border. But they supported it, because they knew that over the long run, they had to find a way to live together and work together. So this is an old story. But now you just got the largest number of refugees since World War II because of Syria and now Ukraine. And other problems in the middle.
 
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Former President Bill Clinton said on CNN’s “Fareed Zakaria GPS” podcast that “there is a limit” to how many migrants the United States can accept before it causes disruption.

Partial transcript as follows:



Then you clearly don't understand what Harpers immigration policy was.... or what O'Toole's was going to be.

The only time Conservative politicians bitch about immigration is when they are not in power, and can use the Nationalism as weapon. But the reality is... Harpers entire economic policy was Alberta Oil, and immigration. Lol

Fuck, once the Saudi's cut production, Trudeau didn't even have Alberta Oil.
 

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Former President Bill Clinton said on CNN’s “Fareed Zakaria GPS” podcast that “there is a limit” to how many migrants the United States can accept before it causes disruption.
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Andy, the only person in the room that Canada's immigration policy causes "disruption" to is YOU.

Canada's economy runs on extensive immigration and assimilation of new immigrants and their families within a short period of time. The policy works just fine...... unless a specific person doesn't like being around non-whites. Then they find it "disruptive".

Show me a significant recent example of any social disruption in Canada caused by immigration, Andy?.... Nope. There is none. You just don't like that it's happening.
 

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Then you clearly don't understand what Harpers immigration policy was.... or what O'Toole's was going to be.
The only time Conservative politicians bitch about immigration is when they are not in power, and can use the Nationalism as weapon. But the reality is... Harpers entire economic policy was Alberta Oil, and immigration. Lol
Fuck, once the Saudi's cut production, Trudeau didn't even have Alberta Oil.
Exactly. High levels of immigration into Canada has been a bi party policy since 1867. BOTH parties embrace high levels of third world immigration and the points system. But..... when the Libs are in power, suddenly the Sun and other rightie tabloids will suddenly start complaining about immigration to whip up all the racists in the boonies to hate on the Libs.

As soon as the Tories are back in power, all those tabloid rants suddenly stop.
 

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Could we learn from how Canada manages its foreign workers?
BY NOLAN RAPPAPORT, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR - 01/04/21 11:30 AM ET
THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL
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Two years ago, President Donald Trump proposed a plan to modernize our immigration system that included a merit-based point system for employment-based visas and a substantial reduction in family-based immigration.
According to Trump, only 12 percent of the legal immigrants were being selected on the basis of skill or merit. Green cards were being given mainly to low-wage and low-skilled immigrants who compete for jobs against the most vulnerable Americans.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) responded that she and her caucus wanted comprehensive immigration reform, but it would have to include a pathway for DACArecipients and “respect for family.” Trump’s focus on a merit system did not accomplish either objective.
Frankly, I think the belief that Trump had an anti-immigration agenda made people who disliked him so distrustful of his intentions that they wouldn’t give serious consideration to any immigration measure that he proposed.
The same cannot be said about Canada, however, and it has a merit-based point system for employment-based visas that has been very successful.
According to polls based on Gallup’s Migrant Acceptance Index, Canada was the most-accepting country in the world for immigrants in 2019. It welcomed 341,000 new permanent residents in 2019. The United States was in sixth place.
More than 20 percent of the people in Canada are foreign-born, which is one of the highest ratios in the industrialized Western countries.
Moreover, it has a broad range of settlement services for labor migrants and their families.
President-elect Joe Biden might benefit from studying Canada’s merit-based point system for selecting foreign workers.
Canada’s Immigration and Refugee Protection Act states as its first objective, “to permit Canada to pursue the maximum social, cultural and economic benefits of immigration.”
Canada established its first merit-based point system for selecting foreign workers in 1967. It was modified periodically, but Canada replaced it in 2015, with a new point system known as, the “Express Entry System.” The new system speeded up the selection process and reduced backlogs.
The first step is each applicant must create an “Express Entry Profile,” which can be done online. It should indicate eligibility for one of Canada’s three foreign worker programs, the Federal Skilled Worker Program, the Federal Skilled Trades Program, or the Canadian Experience Class.
Applicants who establish eligibility for one of the three programs and meet other qualification requirements are put in an entry pool where they will wait to see if they are going to be offered an opportunity to apply for permanent residence.
Canada’s Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS) provides them with a score which determines their place in the pool. This includes a core set of up to 600 points and a set of up to an additional 600 points.
Core: Up to 600 points
  1. Skills and experience factors;
  2. Spouse or common-law partner factors, such as their language skills and education; and
  3. Skills transferability, including education and work experience.
Additional: Up to 600 points
  1. Canadian degrees, diplomas or certificates;
  2. A valid job offer;
  3. A nomination from a province or territory;
  4. A brother or sister living in Canada who is a citizen or permanent resident; and
  5. Strong French language skills.
Core points + Additional points = your total score
Applicants can estimate their points by using the online CRS Score Calculator.
Applicants who are invited to apply for permanent resident status have 90 days to submit a complete application with proof of the information they provided in their Express Entry profiles.
They also must include police certificates for themselves and family members who have reached the age of 18. Applicants who have a criminal record may not be allowed to enter or stay in Canada.
Provinces and territories can nominate candidates to meet regional labor market needs. Some provinces and territories search in the pool for candidates; others require applicants to apply directly.
Benefit of a merit-based system for selecting foreign workers
Benjamin Johnson, the Executive Director of the American Immigration Law Association (AILA), contends that, “a points-based system would be an unprecedented intrusion by the federal government into U.S. businesses’ decisions on the type of talent they need to fit their needs.”
Employers probably do have a better understanding of the needs of their businesses than the federal government would, but a point-system like the one Canada has would just provide them with a pool of qualified candidates to choose from. They would still be able to base their choices on the needs of their businesses, and the availability of the pool should make it easier for them to find the foreign workers their businesses need — if the criterion for awarding points is updated periodically to ensure that it is meeting business needs.
And using a merit-based point system for choosing foreign employees seems to have worked very well for Canada. Canada issued 107,350 invitations to Express Entry candidates in 2020, which is the highest total it has ever had.
Nolan Rappaport was detailed to the House Judiciary Committee as an executive branch immigration law expert for three years. He subsequently served as an immigration counsel for the Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security and Claims for four years. Prior to working on the Judiciary Committee, he wrote decisions for the Board of Immigration Appeals for 20 years. Follow his blog at https://nolanrappaport.blogspot.com.
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Canada’s “merit-based” system
Canada implemented a points system in 1967 in order to move away from origin-based selection of immigrants. Fifty years later, in 2017, Canada admitted 296,346 permanent legal immigrants. About 52 per cent of them entered through different categoriesof the “economic” class of the immigration program, Canada’s own version of a “merit-based” immigration system.

Under this system, economic immigration candidates are evaluated and ranked using a 100 points selection factor grid. The selection factor grid is a 100-point selection grid that considers factors such as age, education, work specialization, work experience in Canada and abroad as well as arranged employment in Canada.

Applicants to the federal skilled workers program are further ranked according to a 1,200-point Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS).

Would-be immigrants to Canada are also evaluated for adaptability, measured by elements such as past experiences in Canada, but also by the presence of relatives in the country and their spouses’ language proficiency.

So even when measuring for “merit,” the Canadian immigration system does include a recognition of the importance of family ties and social networks.

What’s more, not all of the 159,125 individuals who entered Canada through the economic class in 2017 were selected using the economic criteria.

Between 2006 and 2015, only 41 to 49 per cent of these individuals were selected directly based on their potential for contributing to the Canadian economy. The rest of the economic class is comprised of close family members of the main applicant, like spouses and children.

Nonetheless, Canada’s experience overall with its immigration program has been positive. Among other benefits, it’s been credited with building the Canadian public’s support for relatively high immigration levels.

But merit-based immigration programs demand investment into the system, and they may have unintended consequences. Canada’s merit-based program provides three important lessons for U.S. policymakers and citizens:

Lesson 1: “Merit-based” is only the beginning
A central argument by proponents of merit-based immigration is that it will lead to better immigrant integration outcomes.

While that’s largely true, a constellation of social and state actions also affect how immigrants fare in their newly adopted homes.

Two are especially important: Immigrant integration services and efforts to find jobs for immigrants.

Canada funds immigrant integration programs that range from language training to information on jobs, bridging programs to jobs and job training. While Canada offers specific social programs for refugees, several services are also available to all classes of permanent immigrants.


Three-year-old Simboo runs into the arms of her mother, Jelele Etefa, as they pose for a group photo following a Canadian citizenship ceremony in Halifax in February 2017. THE CANADIAN PRESS
Indeed, Canada plans to spend just over $1 billion on immigrant integration services in 2018.

Experience and research have shown these programs are critical to helping merit-based immigrants succeed economically and socially. They also increase immigrants’ overall sense of belonging to their new society and encourage social participation.

But integration services are not enough: Canada’s experience shows that while immigrants selected based on their economic criteria fare better in the labour market than others, many of them still endure economic difficulties.

Read more: Data on Canadian immigrants from 'shithole' countries might surprise Trump

Underemployment, trouble entering the labour market and the need to go back to school, despite having university degrees, are all too common experiences for Canadian immigrants even if they meet the “merit-based” criteria.

Skills-based immigration programs can easily run amok if the labour market can’t accommodate foreign education and skills credentials. As a consequence, both Canada’s federal and provincial governments have had to invest in educating employers — and are still working to create and enforce standards for foreign skills recognition.

Canada’s experience proves that a merit-based system demands much more than simply choosing “the right” immigrants. Governments must invest in supporting them once they’ve been admitted.

Lesson 2: Immigrants & labour market needs
Matching the demands of the labour market to new immigrants is a challenge. That’s due in part to the difference between the speed at which labour markets evolve and how quickly an immigration system can operate to bring job-ready candidates to any given country and employer.

The challenge is compounded by popular and political ideas about who is an “ideal” economic immigrant — for example, a doctor or an engineer — and the actual labour needs of the country.

In the last 30 years, those types of disconnects have been a constant test in Canada but also in other countries.

In the early 1990s, the Canadian government’s preferred solution was to select immigrants based on predictions about their capacity to adapt to a changing labour market. To do so, they used human capital as the main merit criterion. That had several unintended effects, including the underemployment of many immigrants and labour shortages in several technical sectors.

Since then, the Canadian government has made a move towards a more demand-based model, and provides provinces and territories as well as employers with a bigger say in the selection system.

More recently, the system was again amended to reintroduce human capital factors because the immigrants selected by the demand-driven model were not considered skilled enough.

Canada’s experience is one of a tug of war between planning for long-term labour needs and short-term labour supply.

Despite these adjustments, current Canadian programs still struggle to address the needs of labour markets that are increasingly divided between the need for high-skilled versus low-skilled workers, like those in short supply in the service sector.

Consequently, Canada relies increasingly on temporary immigration to meet market demands. In the last 10 years, the number of so-called temporary foreign workers has grown tremendously, as have concerns about worker abuses and overall precarity.


Temporary foreign workers Honorato Peralta and his wife, Vanessa Tamondong, are seen here during a news conference in Vancouver in December 2014. They said they were victimized by an employer and their immigration consultant. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Jonathan Hayward
And despite reforms aimed at providing temporary workers a path to permanent residency, the need for those low-skilled labourers runs counter to the long-term social and economic objective of Canada’s merit-based system.

What is “best” for the economy, and what types of immigrants are most needed, often eschews simple answers.

Lesson 3: The need for bureaucrats
Trust in the bureaucracy is critical to a successful merit-based system. Any immigrant-selection system relies on a comprehensive, technical method of assessing would-be newcomers, the gathering of information on the labour market and on global migration trends, as well as the monitoring and evaluation of programs.

On the ground, considerable work is required to assess individual applications based on merit criteria. While technology makes these tasks easier than before, well-trained public servants and well-funded public infrastructure are needed.
In Canada and elsewhere, government workers use research, field expertise and discretion to assess applicants. The need for accurate data along with the complexity of these programs often make elected officials dependent on the expertise and advice of public servants.

Bureaucrats are uniquely positioned to see the negative consequences of selection programs, and to propose innovative solutions based on their hands-on experience.

What’s more, experiments that have involved employers in immigrant selection programs remain inconclusive. While they remain important partners, bureaucrats still have the advantage over employers in assessing immigrants.

The move to merit-based systems often politicize not only overall immigration levels, but also the very definition of “merit.”

The cacophony of partisan advice and political opinion on these often highly technical assessments of immigrants means it’s crucial to have reliable data on immigration and unbiased analysis. The trust of Canadian elected officials in the country’s immigration bureaucracy is one of the secret ingredients of its success.

Hardly a ‘magic bullet’
A merit-based immigration might address some of America’s immigration challenges.

But it could also have negative consequences, especially as long as state-funded integration services remain comparatively limited and not accessible to all immigrants in the U.S..

The U.S. government will also need work to ensure that the immigrants it selects will respond to the actual labour market needs of its diverse economy. The distrust the Trump administration clearly harbours towards the American federal bureaucracy might also create considerable challenges to the design and implementation of a merit-based system.

Canada’s experience shows that selecting immigrants based on economic merit is not a silver bullet. Finding the “right” immigrants is the only one step in a large group of government actions that support immigrants and the country overall.
 

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Former President Bill Clinton said on CNN’s “Fareed Zakaria GPS” podcast that “there is a limit” to how many migrants the United States can accept before it causes disruption.

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Can you find someone/anyone on either side of the debate who disagrees with this?
 

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Early in the pandemic, Royal Lepage urged the government to continue pro-immigration policies.

Both Canada and the US need immigration. That is beyond any dispute. It is also beyond dispute that the immigration systems in both are broken and ineffective and requires substantive reform.
 

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Both Canada and the US need immigration. That is beyond any dispute. It is also beyond dispute that the immigration systems in both are broken and ineffective and requires substantive reform.
Agree regarding the US.

Canada's appears to work just fine, given the inevitable cheating and hiccups that always happen with a government program. Can you elaborate?
 

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Agree regarding the US.

Canada's appears to work just fine, given the inevitable cheating and hiccups that always happen with a government program. Can you elaborate?
I agree that the Canadian system is much more effective but it does need some work. The US system is completely broken.
 
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I think the message that should be conveyed here is: there is nothing wrong with immigration. The only caveat is the number of immigrants, of course.....
 

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Then you clearly don't understand what Harpers immigration policy was.... or what O'Toole's was going to be.

The only time Conservative politicians bitch about immigration is when they are not in power, and can use the Nationalism as weapon. But the reality is... Harpers entire economic policy was Alberta Oil, and immigration. Lol

Fuck, once the Saudi's cut production, Trudeau didn't even have Alberta Oil.
Harper did a great job with immigration, you clearly don't understand that. When Canadian Isis members started coming back, he worked on removing their citizenship. But guess who changed that with bill C-6, because according to Justin Groper these dual citizens are still Canadian. I don't find it ok that dual citizens that support terrorism should be allowed back in Canada.

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Could we learn from how Canada manages its foreign workers?
BY NOLAN RAPPAPORT, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR - 01/04/21 11:30 AM ET
THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL
SHARETWEET

Getty Images
Two years ago, President Donald Trump proposed a plan to modernize our immigration system that included a merit-based point system for employment-based visas and a substantial reduction in family-based immigration.
According to Trump, only 12 percent of the legal immigrants were being selected on the basis of skill or merit. Green cards were being given mainly to low-wage and low-skilled immigrants who compete for jobs against the most vulnerable Americans.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) responded that she and her caucus wanted comprehensive immigration reform, but it would have to include a pathway for DACArecipients and “respect for family.” Trump’s focus on a merit system did not accomplish either objective.
Frankly, I think the belief that Trump had an anti-immigration agenda made people who disliked him so distrustful of his intentions that they wouldn’t give serious consideration to any immigration measure that he proposed.
The same cannot be said about Canada, however, and it has a merit-based point system for employment-based visas that has been very successful.
According to polls based on Gallup’s Migrant Acceptance Index, Canada was the most-accepting country in the world for immigrants in 2019. It welcomed 341,000 new permanent residents in 2019. The United States was in sixth place.
More than 20 percent of the people in Canada are foreign-born, which is one of the highest ratios in the industrialized Western countries.
Moreover, it has a broad range of settlement services for labor migrants and their families.
President-elect Joe Biden might benefit from studying Canada’s merit-based point system for selecting foreign workers.
Canada’s Immigration and Refugee Protection Act states as its first objective, “to permit Canada to pursue the maximum social, cultural and economic benefits of immigration.”
Canada established its first merit-based point system for selecting foreign workers in 1967. It was modified periodically, but Canada replaced it in 2015, with a new point system known as, the “Express Entry System.” The new system speeded up the selection process and reduced backlogs.
The first step is each applicant must create an “Express Entry Profile,” which can be done online. It should indicate eligibility for one of Canada’s three foreign worker programs, the Federal Skilled Worker Program, the Federal Skilled Trades Program, or the Canadian Experience Class.
Applicants who establish eligibility for one of the three programs and meet other qualification requirements are put in an entry pool where they will wait to see if they are going to be offered an opportunity to apply for permanent residence.
Canada’s Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS) provides them with a score which determines their place in the pool. This includes a core set of up to 600 points and a set of up to an additional 600 points.
Core: Up to 600 points
  1. Skills and experience factors;
  2. Spouse or common-law partner factors, such as their language skills and education; and
  3. Skills transferability, including education and work experience.
Additional: Up to 600 points
  1. Canadian degrees, diplomas or certificates;
  2. A valid job offer;
  3. A nomination from a province or territory;
  4. A brother or sister living in Canada who is a citizen or permanent resident; and
  5. Strong French language skills.
Core points + Additional points = your total score
Applicants can estimate their points by using the online CRS Score Calculator.
Applicants who are invited to apply for permanent resident status have 90 days to submit a complete application with proof of the information they provided in their Express Entry profiles.
They also must include police certificates for themselves and family members who have reached the age of 18. Applicants who have a criminal record may not be allowed to enter or stay in Canada.
Provinces and territories can nominate candidates to meet regional labor market needs. Some provinces and territories search in the pool for candidates; others require applicants to apply directly.
Benefit of a merit-based system for selecting foreign workers
Benjamin Johnson, the Executive Director of the American Immigration Law Association (AILA), contends that, “a points-based system would be an unprecedented intrusion by the federal government into U.S. businesses’ decisions on the type of talent they need to fit their needs.”
Employers probably do have a better understanding of the needs of their businesses than the federal government would, but a point-system like the one Canada has would just provide them with a pool of qualified candidates to choose from. They would still be able to base their choices on the needs of their businesses, and the availability of the pool should make it easier for them to find the foreign workers their businesses need — if the criterion for awarding points is updated periodically to ensure that it is meeting business needs.
And using a merit-based point system for choosing foreign employees seems to have worked very well for Canada. Canada issued 107,350 invitations to Express Entry candidates in 2020, which is the highest total it has ever had.
Nolan Rappaport was detailed to the House Judiciary Committee as an executive branch immigration law expert for three years. He subsequently served as an immigration counsel for the Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security and Claims for four years. Prior to working on the Judiciary Committee, he wrote decisions for the Board of Immigration Appeals for 20 years. Follow his blog at https://nolanrappaport.blogspot.com.
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I think the message that should be conveyed here is: there is nothing wrong with immigration. The only caveat is the number of immigrants, of course.....
(y) You get it !! But others missed the boat.
 

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Harper did a great job with immigration, you clearly don't understand that. When Canadian Isis members started coming back, he worked on removing their citizenship. But guess who changed that with bill C-6, because according to Justin Groper these dual citizens are still Canadian. I don't find it ok that dual citizens that support terrorism should be allowed back in Canada.

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Explain the differences and numbers between Harper and Trudeau.
 
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But just yesterday you said you didn't care for my posts. Are you trolling again?
I'm pointing out that you are trolling.
If you weren't, you could lay out some non copy and pasted facts and present an argument.
 
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