Is Toronto on the decline?

[JeanGary Diablo]

B) and C) preferred, though A) might be considered.

I have been in Toronto all my life.
So, I can say how much has changed.

It is not just about is the grass greener.
Never been to Vancouver, something to keep in mind though.
LD

Thing about Vancouver is -- and this is just my opinion -- I think you need to have a huge love of nature and outdoor activities to truly enjoy the city. Toronto has much better museums, nightlife, shopping, restaurants, pubs, etc. than Vancouver, but Toronto doesn't have the abundance of outdoor activities, like skiing, hiking, etc., that Vancouver has.

I'm really more of a city person than a nature person, and I think that Vancouver is prevented from being an "interesting city" by having such lovely scenery and nature. I hope that makes sense, lol.

 

[bazokajoe]

They're only going there because they can't afford to live in Toronto, not because of the magical splendour of the Greater Niagara Region. It's called drive until you qualify. It's happening the same distance from Toronto in all other directions.

All of which makes Toronto a very undesirable city.
If you can't afford a house ,then you can't afford recreational activities or what $$ it takes to raise a family.
I highly doubt people are leaving Toronto with the goal of returning when interest rates go down.

 

[The Fox]

Decline??? Have you visited other Canadian cities. It’s 10x any other city in Canada in all areas.

 

[K Douglas]

How? Did you get your buck a beer? Dougie is a 2-bit dope pusher from James Gardens, Etobicoke.still pushing subways at 5 x the cost of LRTs. He's never been on a subway in his life.

I wasn't talking about Doug was I? Pay attention simpleton.

 

[K Douglas]

Decline??? Have you visited other Canadian cities. It’s 10x any other city in Canada in all areas.

In the past couple of years the only major Canadian cities I have visited are Montreal and Ottawa. Montreal has definitely regressed (worse than T.O.) but Ottawa has fared better I would reckon.

 

[NotADcotor]

Montreal has better escorts, better metro, but they have the French which could be an issue for some. Also you can get outside the city a bit easier if you are downtown
Toronto has more diverse escorts which is a good thing and population, and the English. It's a harder longer slog to get to the boonies
Vancouver has hippies Can't say much more.

 

[Mythos]

If you have lived in Toronto for a long time, you know it is in decline.
25 years ago you would have thought nothing about going downtown or across the city. Today no one wants to cross the city or drive downtown.
We have roads that cannot support the increased traffic from all the condos. Car lanes are now replaced by bike lanes that no one uses for 6 months of the year.
The 401 is now backed up from the 400 to Martin Grove all day every day, just because some genius decided the intersection of Canada's busiest highways should share the ramp with Weston Rd.

 

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[Soccersweeper]

All of which makes Toronto a very undesirable city.
If you can't afford a house ,then you can't afford recreational activities or what $$ it takes to raise a family.
I highly doubt people are leaving Toronto with the goal of returning when interest rates go down.

Toronto is expensive because it is so desirable. When something is the best, what happens to its value? Demand rises, and if supply can't keep up the value goes up. Yes the supply shortage is a material problem, but it's the kind of problem you want to have. You don't want to be an undesirable city. That's the path to stagnation. There are lots of cheap homes in ghost towns. And if you want the value of your house to increase, as everyone does, you want the city to be in demand.

 

[Soccersweeper]

If you have lived in Toronto for a long time, you know it is in decline.
25 years ago you would have thought nothing about going downtown or across the city. Today no one wants to cross the city or drive downtown.
We have roads that cannot support the increased traffic from all the condos. Car lanes are now replaced by bike lanes that no one uses for 6 months of the year.
The 401 is now backed up from the 400 to Martin Grove all day every day, just because some genius decided the intersection of Canada's busiest highways should share the ramp with Weston Rd.

So Toronto is in decline solely because of traffic? Oy. Take the subway or GO. It's cheap and goes everywhere. Walk even. Lots of walkable neighbourhoods. There are legions of people living all over the city who don't even own a car and happily get by without having to deal with highways. There's no room for more roads. Transit is the future

 

[basketcase]

I've been wondering about this for a few years now.
As a long time resident, I have seen Toronto go through ups and downs.
It has never been the same after the 1990's.
Quality of life has kind of dropped in Ontario.
I'm not at the point economically where I can leave just yet.
Other than the food and some great Sps, there is not too much here.
Maybe some here are filthy rich, I'm not.

Is quality of living in Toronto on the decline?

LD.

I remember numerous parts of Toronto in the 90's; much better now.

If you have lived in Toronto for a long time, you know it is in decline.
25 years ago you would have thought nothing about going downtown or across the city. ...

Speaking of downtown, anyone remember Yonge St. in the 90's?


Oh no...the traffic!!!!

 

[ChrisJunck]

If you have lived in Toronto for a long time, you know it is in decline.
25 years ago you would have thought nothing about going downtown or across the city. Today no one wants to cross the city or drive downtown.
We have roads that cannot support the increased traffic from all the condos. Car lanes are now replaced by bike lanes that no one uses for 6 months of the year.
The 401 is now backed up from the 400 to Martin Grove all day every day, just because some genius decided the intersection of Canada's busiest highways should share the ramp with Weston Rd.

This reminds me of an old joke: 'Nobody goes to that restaurant anymore because its always so crowded '

 

[Robert Mugabe]

I moved to Toronto from Calgary in 73. I remember I preferred Calgary. A few friends followed me out here. I was bitching about Toronto and a friend said it wasn't so bad. You just need money. I said "what would you do if you had money here? " He said " I would fuck off".

 

[Darts]

I hear there are a lot of cheap houses in Detroit.

 

[eddie kerr]

If you have lived in Toronto for a long time, you know it is in decline.
25 years ago you would have thought nothing about going downtown or across the city. Today no one wants to cross the city or drive downtown.
We have roads that cannot support the increased traffic from all the condos. Car lanes are now replaced by bike lanes that no one uses for 6 months of the year.
The 401 is now backed up from the 400 to Martin Grove all day every day, just because some genius decided the intersection of Canada's busiest highways should share the ramp with Weston Rd.

I could not agree with you more. I have lived here for close to 80 years, now retired but my last career was owning a courier service in the GTA and outlying areas. I sold the business 10xyears ago and retired. Although those times traffic and construction caused many delays on the road, these days I find are much worse. Firstly, with all the road reductions and closures and the lengthy times it takes for completing repairs, rush hour has become a 12 hour nightmare. I am not an opponent of bike lanes but the city planners, IMO, have never driven vehicles. You cannot eliminate vehicle lanes and replace them with bike lanes. Many streets such as Danforth Avenue are a disaster and roads such as Woodbine Avenue and others that have bus lanes are brutal. Also, many major intersections with traffic lights are insane. E.G, Driving northbound on Yonge St. to Bloor Street and attempt to make a right turn. Signage shows no right turn on red light and while waiting for a green light to enable a right turn, as the light changes to green more pedestrians are crossing while you wait again. Why is there not a right turn signal for vehicles only and red light for pedestrians and bikes. These city planners should be forced to go to Amsterdam and Copenhagen and see their effecient simple methods at major intersections. Phase 1, green light for buses and vehicles only. Phase 2, green for pedestrians only, Phase 3, green for the hundreds of cyclists only. Can it get any simpler than that? Also, bottom line, there are way too many people in the GTA for our roads. Sorry for the rant but this has been a big peeve of mine. But I still love this city.













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[mburner]

Here's view from outsider, a New Yorker. Mere coincidence that it's somewhat entwined with the passing of Queen Elizabeth. First started coming to Toronto in the mid-80s for work. Then, Toronto as whole seemed the model of rectitude, a buttoned-up city that loved the Queen even more than the Brits. A Commonwealth city. After a gap of some 10 or 12 years I returned to Toronto, again for work, and thought (with apologies to Mr. Dylan): "Something is happening here and you don't know what it is, do you, Mrs. Windsor." Toronto was scruffier, in a lively NYC way. There were "gastronomic" restaurants, just a few, but they weren't the pubs and private clubs I suspected the city had been all about. The streets were lively, not dead. A few boutiques, funky stores. All this has accelerated as TO became the GTA. and the world came in droves to live and play. Toronto is by no means a beautiful city, and its visual attractions are few. But its a walking city awaiting for its nooks and crannies to be discovered and savored. For that its an adventure, the best kind of urban experience. Just as NYC is a new movie every time you step out your door, so too is Toronto. As the waiter always says: "Enjoy!"

 

[bazokajoe]

Toronto is expensive because it is so desirable. When something is the best, what happens to its value? Demand rises, and if supply can't keep up the value goes up. Yes the supply shortage is a material problem, but it's the kind of problem you want to have. You don't want to be an undesirable city. That's the path to stagnation. There are lots of cheap homes in ghost towns. And if you want the value of your house to increase, as everyone does, you want the city to be in demand.

If you haven't noticed housing prices have gone up all across Ontario and Canada not just Toronto.
I get it if you were born and raised in Toronto, but there is a great big world out their. Get that tunnel vision fixed and open your eyes.

 

[steelcitysid]

Toronto is expensive because it is so desirable. When something is the best, what happens to its value? Demand rises, and if supply can't keep up the value goes up. Yes the supply shortage is a material problem, but it's the kind of problem you want to have. You don't want to be an undesirable city. That's the path to stagnation. There are lots of cheap homes in ghost towns. And if you want the value of your house to increase, as everyone does, you want the city to be in demand.

I dont know about that. The city has become increasingly more violent in the past few years. And dont think it will get any better.

 

[curr3n_c1000]

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[Soccersweeper]

I dont know about that. The city has become increasingly more violent in the past few years. And dont think it will get any better.

Toronto is regularly ranked one of the safest cities in the world. You're more likely to be struck by lightning than be a victim of serious violence. Most who are tend to be involved in some shady business. On a per capita basis you're more likely to be a victim in some small town or rural area.