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Frankfooter

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Thanks, nothing about NATO there.
Only this part, which means Russia was supposed to let Ukraine be independent.

The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and The United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.

Read more https://introvertum.com/budapest-memorandum-on-security-assurances-5-december-1994-full-text/
 

Valcazar

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It's news to me that Ukraine was non neutral or aligned with NATO. Isn't it a fact that Ukraine was kept out of both NATO and the EU, largely to placate Russia?
There was an effin NATO training base in Ukraine. I guess it shows how clueless you really are.

Yeah Mandrill, anyone who trains with another country is in a formal military alliance with them.
That's why Russia is a part of NATO.

Wait...

Any country that is in the NATO-Partnership for Peace program is actually in a formal military alliance with NATO.
That's why Russia is a part of NATO.

Wait...
 

Anbarandy

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Page 52,107 of the Russian Grand Master Special Operations Plan For the De-Nazification of Nazified Urkaine states that:

"On this day of our Orthodox Lord, August 25, 2022 our Dear Leader, Vlad The Impaler Putin will order the Russian Armed Forces to increase their forces with another 137,000 units of cannon fodder, that being Russian stooge citizens."

And lo and behold, on this day, meticulously and studiously following the plan, the Dear Leader of Russian did just that.

There is joy and merriment throughout the land!

Hi-ho, hi-ho, off to slaughter we go, hi-ho, hi-ho, hi-hey!
 

mandrill

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It was legislated, and it was formally rescinded in 2014, by the Poroshenko govt that was elected in a highly questionable election.
Notty, you're going to have to re read all those Wiki articles about Ukraine in 2014 that I posted for you. Because you're posting stuff that isn't true.
 

jsanchez

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T.O.
Yeah Mandrill, anyone who trains with another country is in a formal military alliance with them.
That's why Russia is a part of NATO.

Wait...

Any country that is in the NATO-Partnership for Peace program is actually in a formal military alliance with NATO.
That's why Russia is a part of NATO.

Wait...
You really know how to make Putin boi twist himself into pretzels lol.
 

basketcase

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Yet you support Israels attacks on Palestine lol.
Funny from a guy who blamed a Canadian family because Hamas blew their kid up on a beach and is currently justifying Russia's indiscriminate strikes.

p.s. What exactly does your diversion have to do with your belief that Russia should be allowed to determine Ukraine's international relations?
 
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jsanchez

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T.O.
Funny from a guy who blamed a Canadian family because Hamas blew their kid up on a beach and is currently justifying Russia's indiscriminate strikes.

p.s. What exactly does your diversion have to do with your belief that Russia should be allowed to determine Ukraine's international relations?
Everything about Putin/Xi/Assad/Khamenei boi can be summed up with 2 words: hypocrisy and whataboutism.
What we have here is a bitter troll who hates the liberal west and will side with any butcher anywhere (as long as they're anti US)
while masquerading as a liberal/leftist/progressive.
 
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SchlongConery

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Everything about Putin/Xi/Assad/Khamenei boi can be summed up with 2 words: hypocrisy and whataboutism.
What we have here is a bitter troll who hates the liberal west and will side with any butcher anywhere (as long as they're anti US)
while masquerading as a liberal/leftist/progressive.

My money is on him being a Russian operative (seriously) or just one of the (few) ethnic Russians that the war excited him so much that his self-protective veneer of western civility wasn't strong enough.
 
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SchlongConery

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You really know how to make Putin boi twist himself into pretzels lol.
If you notice, you will realize that Putinboi fits the Russian propagandist stereotype perfectly.

Everysing eez bretzel.


Everything is automatically turned around. Dreary, cloudy weather in Moscow is sun shining on loved children of Mother Russia. Sun shining on the peaceful breadbasket fields of Ukraine is God shining a spotlight on the existential NATO threat to Mother Russia.

Ever notice though how he, and all Russian apologists never once have any empathy for the innocent young Russian boys who are forcibly coerced to be sent off to be slaughtered? Yet bleat crocodile tears for the Ukrainians who will be killed if Zelensky (doesn't cut off his own huge balls and) orders Ukrainians to stop fighting?

Arguing with nottyboi and Crystal, 6 pac et al is a fools game. I just try to expose their ludicrousness to others to hopefully allow others to recognize what a joke Russian propanganda should be viewed as.
 

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