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World Climate Declaration: There is no climate emergency

toguy5252

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Denial would worsen climate change only if acceptance
can bring down carbon emission.

BTW, the declaration in the OP isn't a denial of climate change.
Neither is it a denial of the needs to address the issue.
Deniers help shape legislation. Whether you believe in the efficacy or not it is hard to deny that environmental laws in the US would look very different without the deniers in the GOP and a few outlier Dems as would the O & G industry.
 

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Deniers help shape legislation. Whether you believe in the efficacy or not it is hard to deny that environmental laws in the US would look very different without the deniers in the GOP and a few outlier Dems as would the O & G industry.
How many major world political leaders in power you can think
of are climate deniers? Even Donald Trump did not openly deny
climate change. He only said he was skeptical of it and he has
gone for good.

Also note that Trudeau has been in power for 7 years and Harper is
not known to be a climate denier.

The O&G industry would not get anywhere without licenses and
permits granted by the government. Trudeau, Guilbeault and Wilkinson
are not coerced by Big OIl to support deep water drilling in Newfoundland
into the future.
 

oil&gas

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Exxon-Mobil, Shell, BP (for sure). Do you want more? I have plenty more.....
Do you have any evidence they are climate deniers?
Most if not all of the big oil *were* indeed once climate
deniers but not anymore. In fact COP26 were attended by
myriads of Big Oil representatives. Shell along with many
oil companies have pledged net zero emission in the future.

 

bver_hunter

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Can you name any prominent climate change denying group that
is worsening Earth's climate?
Like asking which news media is responsible for conducting the bombing of Ukraine!!

Spreading misinformation by Conspiracy Theorists is what this thread is all about, including the link that you posted...............ROTFLMAO!!
 
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Like asking which news media is responsible for conducting the bombing of Ukraine!!

Spreading misinformation by Conspiracy Theorists is what this thread is all about, including the link that you posted...............ROTFLMAO!!
Do you think those news media and the link to the OP
are responsible for rising carbon emission in the past,
present and future?
 
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Do you think those news media and the link to the OP
are responsible for rising carbon emission in the past,
present and future?
Can you not comprehend that it is about the spreading of misinformation?
 

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Go on elaborate how it is doing so, as you could then be a Champion of Climate Change!!
I am asking you what the impact of climate misinformation
on climate change is.As far as I know such misinformation can
do little more than turning people into climate deniers. I wish you
can explain how that is going to impact climate change.
 

bver_hunter

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I am asking you what the impact of climate misinformation
on climate change is.As far as I know such misinformation can
do little more than turning people into climate deniers. I wish you
can explain how that is going to impact climate change.
Thanks for finally being a bit more specific rather than speaking in riddles. But looks like we have to keep on whipping a dead horse in this regards:

Exxon Knew about Climate Change almost 40 years ago
A new investigation shows the oil company understood the science before it became a public issue and spent millions to promote misinformation

 
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Nothing in your post provides the evidence that shows climate denial
promoted by Exxon being the cause of climate change. At any rate
Exxon is no longer a climate denier.

Exxon as big as it is
produces only a fraction of world's total oil output. A lot of gas consumed
in Eastern Canada are imported from the Middle East. Furthermore it was
not Exxon but world's academic scientists who published and disseminated
pretty much all of what we know about climate change. Exxon's influence of
climate science is non-consequential over the decades since climate change
gained wide acceptance by climate scientists. And even if all of world's
climate deniers in the past four decades were the product of Exxon's
misinformation nothing indicates carbon emission level would have been
where climate activists want it to be today in the absence of Exxon.

If you truly believe drastic emission reduction in the near term
is absolutely what the world needs to avert impending climate
catastrophe climate denial should not be a major issue. Majority of
people and pretty much all of those in power in politics and business
have long accepted climate change.
 
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Deniers help shape legislation. Whether you believe in the efficacy or not it is hard to deny that environmental laws in the US would look very different without the deniers in the GOP and a few outlier Dems as would the O & G industry.
Alarmists have driven legislation, very foolish and destructive legislation
its hard to deny the current energy crisis would look very different without the fool alarmists relentless misrepresentation of science
It is highly likely some people will freeze to death in Europe this year and it is a certainty many will die in the developing world due to the misguided efforts by irrational alarmist zealots to shut down fossil fuels

Like most you just accepted the alarmist propaganda without question

Are you so sure about a scientific question (science you do not understand), that you are demanding billions of people lower their standard of living ?
many of which will be forced into abject poverty?

A rather huge price for others to pay for your virtue signalling

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Alarmists have driven legislation, very foolish and destructive legislation
its hard to deny the current energy crisis would look very different without the fool alarmists relentless misrepresentation of science
It is highly likely some people will freeze to death in Europe this year and it is a certainty many will die in the developing world due to the misguided efforts by irrational alarmist zealots to shut down fossil fuels

Like most you just accepted the alarmist propaganda without question

Are you so sure about a scientific question (science you do not understand), that you are demanding billions of people lower their standard of living ?
many of which will be forced into abject poverty?

A rather huge price for others to pay for your virtue signalling

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We will never turn back from this crazy climate train without some drastic outcome. If that means millions suffering then so be it. One thing is for sure: the road we're on right now will lead us to complete ruin.
 

toguy5252

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How many major world political leaders in power you can think
of are climate deniers? Even Donald Trump did not openly deny
climate change. He only said he was skeptical of it and he has
gone for good.

Also note that Trudeau has been in power for 7 years and Harper is
not known to be a climate denier.

The O&G industry would not get anywhere without licenses and
permits granted by the government. Trudeau, Guilbeault and Wilkinson
are not coerced by Big OIl to support deep water drilling in Newfoundland
into the future.
Did you actually look at the number of laws and regulations which the former guy repealed or diluted to the point of functionally inoperable. The same is happening in other countries.
 

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Like Vince Carter said at the Slam Dunk Competition, "It's over".

The burning away of the rainforests has accelerated, we are crossing into the point of no return. Wildfires are ravaging everywhere, BC is turning barren. With the rainforests gone, mass extinction accelerates with vital plants needed for mew medicines gone forever. Disease and plague will become normal with no vaccines in sight. As if said before, if we don't control our population, Mother Nature will do it for us. Let the Grim Reaper sing.

Wildfires are even pillaging Scandinavia.

 
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JohnLarue

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Like Vince Carter said at the Slam Dunk Competition, "It's over".

The burning away of the rainforests has accelerated, we are crossing into the point of no return. Wildfires are ravaging everywhere, BC is turning barren. With the rainforests gone, mass extinction accelerates with vital plants needed for mew medicines gone forever. Disease and plague will become normal with no vaccines in sight. As if said before, if we don't control our population, Mother Nature will do it for us. Let the Grim Reaper sing.

Wildfires are even pillaging Scandinavia.

You have been mislead
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JohnLarue

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Johnny LaRue you're the one being mislead, Eric the Clown says "you're hung up on some chart from Exxon-Mobil man".

I'll excuse it, you are a Supreme Being like George Costanza.

you supply regurgitated false alarmist propaganda

I supplied a referenced chart from a geologist, (an expert reviewer for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), as evidence showing your regurgitated alarmist propaganda is clearly wrong

your response; you reference a couple of clowns from a TV sitcom and somehow think mentioning Exxon-Mobil fixes your gullibility

it is you who needs to learn how to walk in those oversized clown shoes

please do not lose sight of the fact that restricting energy supply will drive billions into abject poverty and millions will needlessly die

Are you so sure of the science (you don't understand) that cost in human life is acceptable so long as you get to virtue signal your love for the planet ?
perhaps some objective homework might be helpful for you
 
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