Yep, she is equivocating which is the only sane position with the absence of solid evidence. Clickbait and people still bite.
Dr. Birx now says it was likely a lab leak
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Officials in China said previously that the Omicron variant entered China from mail and packages sent from Canada.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/china-allegations-mail-1.6318115
Don't be obtuse.
If you've been reading the thread then you know in exactly which way.
Of course many/most Chinese cities have wet markets so the chances of a wet market and a lab in the same city is 100%.
And there is a huge difference between causal and coincidental relationships, no matter how much one distrusts the Chinese government. The zoonotic path is seen as the most likely possibility because that's where the data leads. Come up with new data and the idea of a lab leak may be taken more seriously.
Again, covid was known in bats and known to have transferred to other animals before the outbreak. A market with bats and other live animals being the source of the outbreak is far more likely that a lab worker got infected, didn't get identified, nor did they infect anyone else near them, but only infected people at a market 15 km away.
Of course the two recent PEER REVIEWED papers shouldn't dissuade you from thinking it was the lab.
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The chance or probability that Covid-19 developed and escaped from the Wuhan lab is far greater than the combined probabilities of Covid-19 developing by zoonotic transfer in all cities in China that have wet markets and labs. These labs are not doing Coronaviradae research, so your statement is irrelevant.
This is because Wuhan‘s lab is a major centre for Coronaviradae studies and it is very common for researches to get infected in this type of work.
The studies that you cited are funded by the WHO which is underwritten by the PRC. Remember that the WHO only declared a pandemic under international pressure far too little after much obfuscation and mendacity from the Wuhan lab and the PRC which allowed Covid-19 to global.
They necessarily investigated to pull off the cover up. Doctors or researchers in China who speak to the foreign media risk disappearance or death.
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But give me some numbers here.
Why do you think that would be a wildly improbably coincidence?
Based on your imagination?
Sorry but actual studies show that zoonotic transfer is the most likely based on both the location of the outbreak and the genome of the original strain. All that you have to back your claim is there is a lab 15 or 20 km from the market.
Yes, there is a lab near the market, a unique lab known as the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a storied and famous lab linked to Canada’s National Microbiological Institute where two researches, a husband and wife staff working in Canada from the Wuhan Institute of Virology where escorted out of the Canadian lab for classified and undisclosed reasons in July 2019.
The lab in Wuhan was engaged in SAR-related coronavirus research at the time of the appearance of Covid-19.
Sick staff at this Wuhan lab went to the hospital in November 2019, staff that were working on SARS- coronaviridae research with Covid-19 like symptoms at a time when epidemiologist and virologists believe that Covid-19 started to circulate around Wuhan. These staff were not patrons of the local wet markets.
I believe that these staff contracted Covid-19 from their own lab and not from zoonotic transfer in the wet markets in all probability. The PRC has suppressed this data, researches and physicians associated with the Wuhan lab and have mysteriously died and disappeared.
I believe that studies to support zoonotic transfer have been necessarily concocted to absolve the Wuhan of any possibility of what was very very likely a lab leak of a contagion resulting in this pandemic. Much of the data supporting zoonotic transfer was conveniently supplied by the PRC and data to the contrary has been obscured to hide obvious inconsistencies and inconvenient truths. Announcement of the outbreak in Wuhan was concealed until cases exploded in early 2020, even by the PRC underwritten WHO.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/intell...b-fuels-debate-on-covid-19-origin-11621796228
https://www.livescience.com/covid-lab-leak-wuhan.html
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It does show how much you have to stretch an elaborate narrative to make the lab escape theory work, it's true.
Kind of proof of the opposite by laying out how silly it sounds when you say it out loud.
So yes, lomotil -- good post.
More than 15 km away. You can google map it yourself. If you consider Pearson airport 'near' St Lawrence market then sure (not to mention that Wuhan has 5 times that of Toronto) And the 'sick staff' reports that went around social media were nowhere near verified, just more claims made by those determined to blame China for it.
But sure, ignore actual science because you 'feel' the studies were concocted by China even though most of them were done by Westerners.
p.s. Did you actually read the livescience article?
"There has been little evidence to directly tie the Wuhan lab to SARS-CoV-2, however. The new intelligence on the three sick staffers comes from an unknown source."
There is a deliberate cover up and lots of mendacity here to make the probable seem ridiculously improbable.
Yes I have read the ”livescience article”. The research done by “ Westerners” has much screened, selected data which was supplied by a totalitarian regime who necessarily wish to prove a lab leak is impossible and that zoonotic transfer is likely. And if the zoonotic transfer was unlikely then the same totalitarian regime has a vested interest in encourage the “infection of Wuhan with Covid-19 by foreign actors” narrative.
Futhermore, why were two Wuhan scientists escorted out of Winnipeg in August 2019 ?
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/co...gin-may-never-be-solved-china-might-like-that
Winnipeg!
Are we back to the "Canada made COVID-19 and infected two Wuhan scientists to try and cripple China" narrative now?
No, that narrative is intangible.
Multiple smokescreens have been put up to obscure what likely happened. To imply that China or anyone else deliberately introduced Covid-19 to the world is dangerously malicious and irresponsible. But to imply that China doesn’t know more than they are admitting is asinine and not helpful or in the interest of the rest of the world.
Anyway whatever the source of Covid-19, it is out there and it is China that may feel the “crush” through their efforts of obfuscation, lack of cooperation and non transparency with the rest of the world.
"Intangible"?
Aren't all narratives intangible?
But that's what a lot of people love to do.
But I like this approach -- Trump and the other people who have been pushing the "bioweapon" version of the "it came from a lab" theory are involved in a deliberate smokescreen to cover up for China?
So people would have taken the "laboratory escape" theory more seriously if loonies hadn't been using it as a stalking horse for their "China engineered it and maybe even released it on purpose" theories?
Of course China knows more than they are admitting.
The Chinese government are a bunch of authoritarian douchebags and desperately try to control info coming out of their country at all times.
Exactly this may happen in the US if Trump and Maga Repugs ever take control once again.
