I don't know about intelligent, but I agree 100% with you about a new and worsening toxic social narrative.
Police release photo of teen boy wanted in 4 sex assault incidents
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Nope.
I have liyyel interest in what the media think. I do have a real concern about what people think seeps into the courts and the harm of an innocent event turning a man's life into a nightmare and regardless of the outcome, that life being permanently distroyed.
You gotta take an allegation of any sort seriously, but making an allegation of sexual assault, for something innocuous (like the technical issue of holding hands, or the false allegation when claiming fear that doesn't exist), is a real crime too, but that crime is not prosecuted by policy.
Seems unfair to me, how about you?
Do you think there's a less invasive corrective system we could use? Like a civil suit? But that requires a bit of effort and some money to start. I guess thats too much to ask of women, they shouldn't have to go through all that in addition for the trauma of having their bum slapped, it's really better to destroy a (potentially innocent) mans life.
BTW that was sarcasm, just in case you really feel destroying a man's life is a better option.
soooooo, I am going to ask you this again. Do you believe it is acceptable to walk up to a very sexy lady, cup her ass with your hand and walk away, of course whispering a thank you for the experience?
No!
Do think if you walked up to the same woman and did the same thing it's appropriate for you to be treated as though you were on the cusp of a violent rape (sexual assault), with your name spread by MSM, associated with real violent rapists (others accused of sexual assault without descriptions of the behaviours or intend)?
Or maybe something just as good or better - a warning, maybe therapy, maybe a fine or even a civil suit to pay something for her concern or her therapy (even though OHIP takes care much of it), for being cupped?
PS I'm waiting for the response (you mean sexual assault should be a fine?) Thats not what I wrote. I wrote, for something like cupping an ass or similar level of sexual assault, it might be.
Here is my answer. If a man in today's climate cups a woman's ass uninvited I believe he is not fit to be around the opposite sex. Therefore whatever the ramifications are of his stupidity, the fault is all his and I have no pity for him. Now, being a man, I will admit I see many bums I'd love to cup, feel, lick a little but I have enough self-control that I do not act on my urges. I will however look, and fantasize but I will never touch unless I'm paying or am invited to do so with a smile.
Like any offence, our legal system, it’s all in how it is worded, in legal terms. Some charges can. be very broad, others quite specific.
We don’t know what the punk did.
He could have ridden by, in one instance and said something sexual or inappropriate
for which the victim felt either uncomfortable or fearful.
He did something unwanted four times to four different women. Only the kid and the women know for sure. Also only the women know if they felt fearful, or uncomfortable. Maybe both. Could it also depend what feeling that they had which was communicated to the police and media?
If by saying his comment/action made me uncomfortable vs fearful, can that have different implications?
He should be charged, as far as punishment, should fit what he did.
Let’s say another kid stole 1 candy bar from four different stores.
Should he receive the same punishment if the kid say did armed robbery from the same four stores?
We don’t know what the punk did.
He could have ridden by, in one instance and said something sexual or inappropriate
for which the victim felt either uncomfortable or fearful.
He did something unwanted four times to four different women. Only the kid and the women know for sure. Also only the women know if they felt fearful, or uncomfortable. Maybe both. Could it also depend what feeling that they had which was communicated to the police and media?
If by saying his comment/action made me uncomfortable vs fearful, can that have different implications?
He should be charged, as far as punishment, should fit what he did.
Let’s say another kid stole 1 candy bar from four different stores.
Should he receive the same punishment if the kid say did armed robbery from the same four stores?
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Is it self control, or fear of what will follow that stops you from doing so? Your thoughts, by the standards of some I am sure are just as bad as committing the act.
I don't like to see a lady upset so I would never do something that would in an instant make me the enemy of a beautiful lady. In a way, the reaction of the lady and the law keep my urges in check I guess.
So if the law said pinching a ladies bum is no longer considered sexual assault in the eyes of the law, just for arguments sake, and you can’t predict a woman’s reaction, because no one can accurately predict the future, just a close estimate at times, then, would you follow through with your thoughts?
Your first sentence contradicts the rest of your statement.. Fortunately you're not as out to lunch as Dcoats, so i can actually engage in discourse with you.
Here is an excerpt from the article linked in the OP..
a woman was running eastbound on the trail when a teenage boy on a bicycle blocked her way and then sexually assaulted her. In the second, the boy followed and stopped a woman riding on a bicycle and asked to show her an “11 fingers Tik Tok trick.” He then sexually assaulted her.
The other two alleged assaults took place along the East Don Valley Trail on July 22 and 23.
Police say the boy approached a 54-year-old woman on July 22 between Wynford Drive and Sloane Avenue and asked her for water. He then sexually assaulted her, got back on his bicycle and rode away.
On July 23, a 52-year-old woman was approached from behind by the boy on his bicycle as she was walking near Wynford Heights Crescent. He sexually assaulted and rode away in an unknown direction.
He didn't whisper something inappropriate in the women's ears... The verbiage used by police, and the judge who allowed the images of the suspect to be released are not obscure. They used the term sexual assault for a reason.
What is considered sexual assault in our country?
Sexual assault is any form of sexual activity with another person without their consent. There are many forms of sexual assault, including forced kissing, grabbing, fondling, sexual harassment, and attempted or completed rape (vaginal, oral, or anal penetration by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object).
The judge would not have allowed the release of the boy's image had he just shouted, "hey toots, nice tits!" to the 4 fifty+ year old women he "sexually assaulted".
You guys are typing up a bunch of pseduo-intellectual nonsense in this thread.
In response to your candy store analogy - the law is already written to distinguish the two... One is considered petty theft, and one is considered armed robbery... One would probably recieve 0 investigation by the cops, while one would recieve an immediate armed, tactical response...
This isn't an example of the media, and society blowing shit out of proportion, or women misrepresenting a man's actions. If you want (men) to be able to sexually assault women publicly and face no repercussions, go to India.
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"Sexual assault is any form of sexual activity with another person without their consent. There are many forms of sexual assault, including forced kissing, grabbing, fondling, sexual harassment, and attempted or completed rape (vaginal, oral, or anal penetration by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object)."
I think (hope) intelligent and rational people would not place patting a woman's bum (John Turner) in the same category as "vaginal, oral, or anal penetration by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object)."
I think (hope) intelligent and rational people would not place patting a woman's bum (John Turner) in the same category as "vaginal, oral, or anal penetration by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object)."
I never expressed men should have the right to assault women anywhere in my post.
Don’t assume.
Being Self righteous know it all and arrogant online do much for you?
It's interesting how often the "men's rights advocates" obsess over the cases where a man was falsely accused, especially in a case where four independent victims have gone to the police over this kid.
