Its no wonder today's society is so f**ed up. All the belly aching over petty crap.
Never make the mistake of complementing a woman coworker about her perfume.
Police release photo of teen boy wanted in 4 sex assault incidents
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Never make the mistake of complementing a woman coworker about her perfume.
Good luck finding a workplace that allows perfumes.
Thats absolutely right.
Not all sexual assault is of equal harm, nor is all sexual assault of equal intent.
Are you going argue against that and say all rape is the same?
Here are 2 examples.
A drunk couple engage in consensual sex, then fall asleep. She wakes up, he doesn't, but she gives him a BBBJ.
In the other example, he corners her in an alley, puts a hand around her throat, rips off her clothes, repeatedly jams a tire iron into her.
Do you say they are both at the same point of the continuum and a finding of guilt should put both away for the same length of time?
And that's why the courts have the ability to apply different punishments. But they are all classified as sexual assault. Would it help keep the public safer if the media specified whether it was rape or groping?
More significantly, young sexual offenders tend to escalate their behaviour. The harm to the victim of having their ass grabbed may not be the most serious but a youth who gets off on non-consensual sexual acts is very likely to become more violent.
let me tell you my opinion.
The public is alarmed by sexual assault. The alarm is from fear of rape, not ass grabbing, not non-consensual handholding, not a kiss and run. These are unwanted, uncomfortable, maybe even embarrassing. Fear comes from rape and specifically violent, forceful penetration.
When the media can't distinguish rape and handholding, readers thoughts always go to why would the media report handholding, it must be rape, I'm frightened.
Yes, I agree that sentencing is where courts distinguish levels of harm and intent.
Here's the thing.
In every crime, the accused is innocent until proven, and judged to be otherwise. In cases of sexual assault, the accusation is the verdict, once accused, a guy is guilty.
Even more. Not only do his friends and family know he's guilty, so does the court.
In JJ, the Supreme Court held that once a person is an accused, he (almost always a man), he has to give a heads up about what his defence will be so the complainant (almost always a woman), can mold her evidence to take that into account. More, the complainant can bring tons of evidence that the defence is prevented from using in his favour.
You can ask why, this isn't equal or fair treatment? The Court said 2 things.
1- We have to ensure more men are found guilty and we have to tip the scales
2- the new rules will not only potentially find an innocent man guilty... (you gotta read this).. it's almost guaranteed to find innocent men guilty.
I hear you loud and clear. Sexual assault is such a broad term and range from accidentally bumping into a woman's bum/breasts to outright forcible vaginal penetration.
When I lived out west I attended the testicle festival in Montana, biker rallies in the Dakotas, all kinds of nude events in San Fran and there were dozens of naked women walking around under crowded conditions. So, one could easily accidentally bump into a naked woman or two and does.
First of, absolutely asinine spectrum you post.
And second, police call it sexual assault as that is the official category of crime. The media report the accusations the police specify. Are you suggesting that the media hound the alleged victims to find out how severely they were assaulted?
What don't like about the spectrum? is it somehow too broad? What are the end points of your sexual assault spectrum?
I didn't say the police nor the media is inaccurate, I said people are misled because the spectrum is so broad. Once the charge is laid, the media could include enough details of allegation to make clear where it sits on the broad spectrum. But they never clarify on the low, only on the high end. Do you think thats a coincidence, or that it sells more papers?
But answer the first question, please. What are the end points of your sexual assault spectrum?
I didn't say the police nor the media is inaccurate, I said people are misled because the spectrum is so broad. Once the charge is laid, the media could include enough details of allegation to make clear where it sits on the broad spectrum. But they never clarify on the low, only on the high end. Do you think thats a coincidence, or that it sells more papers?
But answer the first question, please. What are the end points of your sexual assault spectrum?
Exactly.
Violent sexual predators almost always escalate from crimes like peeping, groping, verbal sexual threats, underwear theft, flashing...
This kid clearly has no self control and to me, wondering what he will escalate to, is scary AF. This is not just a kid being a kid.
Maybe some would feel differently if it was their mother, sister, wife, daughter or niece who was a victim? Or would they just tell her, meh, kid being a kid and argue the continuum of harm with her?
The attitudes of some towards anything except extremely violent forced rape in this thread are frightening.
For those reading this who have been victimized by sexual assault, I'm sorry for your experience and hope you are healing.
Reading these hateful attitudes toward men destroys families, a life time of work even the men's very lives.
For those who think that feeling uncomfortable is the same as fear for your life, and all sexual assault is violent rape or will inevitably lead to violent rape, give your head a shake.
Do these hateful people think there's no need for a trial cause, "Believe all women", and what man deserves to be heard?
Sheeesh!
Nobody is being hateful towards men.
Nobody said there is no need for a trial.
This thread is about what a male teenager repeatedly did to multiple women who were alone, isolated, and likely afraid while being sexually violated. How did they know that this person assaulting them would not go further? They didn't.
FOUR women came forward and that means there are likely more victims. Are you implying all four women, no relation, should not be believed?
The sad facts are that when a teenager cannot control their sexual impulses and commits assault against several victims with no self-control, the likelihood of escalation in crimes is probable.
You decided to post and minimize his actions of sexual assault.
What is assault in Canada?
"Assault, as defined by the Canadian Criminal Code Section 265 (1): a person commits an assault when (a) without the consent of another person, he applies force intentionally to that other person, directly or indirectly, (b) he attempts or threatens, by an act or a gesture, to apply force to another person, if he has, or cause that other person to believe on reasonable grounds that he has, present ability to effect his purpose; or (c) while openly wearing or carrying a weapon or an imitation thereof, he accosts or impedes another person or begs."
What is sexual assault in Canada?
"Sexual Assault is defined as an assault of a sexual nature that violates the sexual integrity of the victim. The Supreme Court of Canada held that the act of sexual assault does not depend solely on contact with any specific part of the human anatomy but rather the act of a sexual nature that violates the sexual integrity of the victim. When investigating a sexual assault, there are certain relevant factors to consider:
- The part of the body touched
- The nature of the contact
- The situation in which the contact occurred
- The words and gestures accompanying the act
- All other circumstances surrounding the act
- Any threats that may or may not be accompanied by force
The victim of the sexual assault can be man or woman and the attacker can be of the same sex as the victim. A spouse may be charged with sexual assault upon the other spouse."
This kid needs to be apprehended and either stand trial or get some help.
Aside from that fact, there is also the fact that there is a growing movement to deny men some very basic legal rights in certain areas. Namely, there is a movement to saddle men with reverse-onus in the event they are charged with sexual assault. Further, the definition of sexual assault is far too broad.
Aside from that fact, there is also the fact that there is a growing movement to deny men some very basic legal rights in certain areas. Namely, there is a movement to saddle men with reverse-onus in the event they are charged with sexual assault. Further, the definition of sexual assault is far too broad.
We still don't know exactly what the kid did? Did he slap the women on the bum? Or, did he attempt violent vaginal penetration (hard to do when one is on a bike with a backpack)?
KittyCaterina, how the criminal code defines sexual assault is often very different from how it is defined by the media, or by any individual or group with an agenda to obfuscate Truth.
Some people define sexual assault as 'any situation in which an individual feels that they have been sexually assaulted'. Their arbitrary and subjective definition is often used to present misleading statistics. One recent poll of sexual assault statistics among female college students included 'sex with regret' - some of the respondents felt that they had been sexually assaulted when they engaged in consensual sex with a guy who subsequently ghosted them after the act. Some women feel that they have been sexually assaulted if they eavesdrop on a dirty joke, or if someone calls them fat. Words are supposed to be objectively, not subjectively defined, so they mean the same things to everybody. There is a tendency today to allow anyone to define a word any way they want, and that's a dangerous concept.
We have no idea what the young punk on a bike did. There's a huge difference between whether he committed a penetrative sexual act, or whether he copped a feel while riding by the victim. In both cases, a crime has been committed, and the individual is or might be a danger to society, but the same term should not be used to described both of those actions.
Some people define sexual assault as 'any situation in which an individual feels that they have been sexually assaulted'. Their arbitrary and subjective definition is often used to present misleading statistics. One recent poll of sexual assault statistics among female college students included 'sex with regret' - some of the respondents felt that they had been sexually assaulted when they engaged in consensual sex with a guy who subsequently ghosted them after the act. Some women feel that they have been sexually assaulted if they eavesdrop on a dirty joke, or if someone calls them fat. Words are supposed to be objectively, not subjectively defined, so they mean the same things to everybody. There is a tendency today to allow anyone to define a word any way they want, and that's a dangerous concept.
We have no idea what the young punk on a bike did. There's a huge difference between whether he committed a penetrative sexual act, or whether he copped a feel while riding by the victim. In both cases, a crime has been committed, and the individual is or might be a danger to society, but the same term should not be used to described both of those actions.
