Police release photo of teen boy wanted in 4 sex assault incidents

squeezer

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Coming back to Toronto from NYC on the last flight years ago, the young E.I. woman sitting to my left asked me to buckle her up.

Me: I can't buckle you up without touching you.
She: That's ok.
Did you at least get her number, close the deal etc...
 
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Nobody is being hateful towards men.

Nobody said there is no need for a trial.

This thread is about what a male teenager repeatedly did to multiple women who were alone, isolated, and likely afraid while being sexually violated. How did they know that this person assaulting them would not go further? They didn't.

FOUR women came forward and that means there are likely more victims. Are you implying all four women, no relation, should not be believed?

The sad facts are that when a teenager cannot control their sexual impulses and commits assault against several victims with no self-control, the likelihood of escalation in crimes is probable.

You decided to post and minimize his actions of sexual assault.

What is assault in Canada?

"Assault, as defined by the Canadian Criminal Code Section 265 (1): a person commits an assault when (a) without the consent of another person, he applies force intentionally to that other person, directly or indirectly, (b) he attempts or threatens, by an act or a gesture, to apply force to another person, if he has, or cause that other person to believe on reasonable grounds that he has, present ability to effect his purpose; or (c) while openly wearing or carrying a weapon or an imitation thereof, he accosts or impedes another person or begs."

What is sexual assault in Canada?

"Sexual Assault is defined as an assault of a sexual nature that violates the sexual integrity of the victim. The Supreme Court of Canada held that the act of sexual assault does not depend solely on contact with any specific part of the human anatomy but rather the act of a sexual nature that violates the sexual integrity of the victim. When investigating a sexual assault, there are certain relevant factors to consider:

  • The part of the body touched
  • The nature of the contact
  • The situation in which the contact occurred
  • The words and gestures accompanying the act
  • All other circumstances surrounding the act
  • Any threats that may or may not be accompanied by force

The victim of the sexual assault can be man or woman and the attacker can be of the same sex as the victim. A spouse may be charged with sexual assault upon the other spouse."
Ok.

Here's the issue
Either you believe there are levels of sexual assault, someone called it a spectrum. If you believe there is a spectrum of least harm to greatest harm then not all sexual assault is the same eg. it's not all like violent rape.

Then this is confusing from your earlier post
"Now you will argue that a "forced extremely violent rape" is not equal to the rape of a woman who is passed out drunk. Continuum of harm right?"

You also say that the police must make decisions about the level of harm so far as to judge a certain level high enough to tell the media
"This kid has multiple victims who reported his attacks, so I am sure they were more than attempted hand holding. They were bad enough to release the photo of a minor."

You concluded -
"I can't even with people who argue there are acceptable forms sexual assault."

I didn't read that thought anywhere, but, I do believe some complainants make far more, and far too much of something both innocent and not harmful which is amplified to the extent that real harm is caused to her target, the accused.

Words matter. Saying you're fearful has a specific meaning. When someone twists the meaning of being fearful to be the close to or the same as uncomfortable, that person then becomes the criminal.

Saying all sexual assault is the same, as I think you did, is twisting the meaning of assault and sexual assault.
 

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What don't like about the spectrum?...
Yes. It is asinine to pretend that holding hands is commonly classified as sexual assault. The police call it sexual assault because that's where it falls under the criminal code. The media describe it as sexual assault because that what it is officially called.

And yes, a teen engaging in less heinous sexual assaults is all but guaranteed to escalate to more serious ones if they are not charged. Treating this like a 'boys will be boys' situation will only create adults who are at best dysfunctional.


If you want the accurate definition for sexual assault, perhaps you should speak to your lawyer.
 

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Did you at least get her number, close the deal etc...
None of the above.

I was really tired after spending 3 days in the fleshpots of NYC.

Ok.

Here's the issue
Either you believe there are levels of sexual assault, someone called it a spectrum. If you believe there is a spectrum of least harm to greatest harm then not all sexual assault is the same eg. it's not all like violent rape.

Then this is confusing from your earlier post
"Now you will argue that a "forced extremely violent rape" is not equal to the rape of a woman who is passed out drunk. Continuum of harm right?"

You also say that the police must make decisions about the level of harm so far as to judge a certain level high enough to tell the media
"This kid has multiple victims who reported his attacks, so I am sure they were more than attempted hand holding. They were bad enough to release the photo of a minor."

You concluded -
"I can't even with people who argue there are acceptable forms sexual assault."

I didn't read that thought anywhere, but, I do believe some complainants make far more, and far too much of something both innocent and not harmful which is amplified to the extent that real harm is caused to her target, the accused.

Words matter. Saying you're fearful has a specific meaning. When someone twists the meaning of being fearful to be the close to or the same as uncomfortable, that person then becomes the criminal.

Saying all sexual assault is the same, as I think you did, is twisting the meaning of assault and sexual assault.
Sir, you are way too intelligent and rational for the toxic environment society is currently in.
 

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And yes, a teen engaging in less heinous sexual assaults is all but guaranteed to escalate to more serious ones if they are not charged.
Substantiation from a reputable source, please.

Is patting a woman on the bum a heinous sexual assault? If yes, John Turner and Trudeau the Younger are sex offenders and should have been charged, convicted and punished.
 
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Ok.

Here's the issue
Either you believe there are levels of sexual assault, someone called it a spectrum. ...
And as I said, the courts will take into account the actions if/when this kid is prosecuted. You seem hung up on the media not saying how severely these women were assaulted.
 

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Substantiation from a reputable source, please.

Is patting a woman on the bum a heinous sexual assault? If yes, John Turner is a sex offender and should have been charged, convicted and punished.
First, societal standards change. In the 50's a pat on the ass might have been acceptable. Today it is a crime.

As for studies, here's a few. there are a bunch other on google scholar that are behind paywalls.

And one abstract that seems very clear.
A sample of 231 sexual offenders was studied with respect to the progression of their offenses from non-contact sexual crimes (such as exhibitionism and voyeurism) as juveniles, to the more serious sex assaults of rape and child molestation as adults. The results of this study reveal that a significant number of offenders manifest a history of sexually inappropriate behaviors beginning in early adolescence. It appears from the study that many offenders begin to act out sexually at an early age and if left untreated may escalate to more serious sexual assaults.
 
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Would you walk up to a woman and without consent grab or slap her ass and believe there would be no repercussions?
Of course I would not. On the other hand, what are the repercussions if some dude did? Hanged, drawn and quarter?
 
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First, societal standards change. In the 50's a pat on the ass might have been acceptable. Today it is a crime.

As for studies, here's a few. there are a bunch other on google scholar that are behind paywalls.

And one abstract that seems very clear.
A sample of 231 sexual offenders was studied with respect to the progression of their offenses from non-contact sexual crimes (such as exhibitionism and voyeurism) as juveniles, to the more serious sex assaults of rape and child molestation as adults. The results of this study reveal that a significant number of offenders manifest a history of sexually inappropriate behaviors beginning in early adolescence. It appears from the study that many offenders begin to act out sexually at an early age and if left untreated may escalate to more serious sexual assaults.
Didn't "they" say the same about watching porn?
 
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The police classifying it as sexual assault sends a pretty strong signal.
If the boy was apprehended and charged with sexual assault, that would be a strong indication of what he allegedly did. A police spokesperson classifying the incidents as a sexual assault investigation isn't specific enough for speculation about what actually happened.
 

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Would you walk up to a woman and without consent grab or slap her ass and believe there would be no repercussions?
Of course I would not. On the other hand, what are the repercussions if some dude did? Hanged, drawn and quarter?
Arrested and charged is probably the right answer.
this was the conversation

Felony or misdemeanor? We don't know because we don't know what he actually did.
I wasn't referring to the little hoodlum going around feeling up gilfs but once caught I will still stick with arrested and charged.
 
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