I agree with some of what you say in terms of the Dems being a bigger tent etc. but if they were more cohesive Hillary would now be part way through her second term.
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Clinton vs Trump rematch ‘24
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DeSantis is actually extremely popular in Florida, I would bank on him getting reelected. His "Don't Say Gay" bill (which is now law) actually has popular support: https://www.wsj.com/articles/dont-s...tis-florida-law-elementary-school-11648849131
A couple of things.
1) You shouldn't cite the WSJ Editorial board, which is well known to be cut off from reality. (The reporting in the paper itself is usually pretty solid, although it has gotten worse since it was purchased by Murdoch, but the editorial board has been useless for ages.)
2) That's from April 1. The bill is actually law now, so we will see if it remains popular - or even improves - now that we aren't talking about hypotheticals
3) The last polls of note out of Florida (from about a month ago) show a fairly tight race, but Desantis was crushing it earlier. Is that sign of things moving against him? Hard to say. But I don't think we can confidently say he is broadly popular right now.
Here is the thing…
The GOP have done an amazing job demonizing media, making sure their voters only watch media they control.
Whoever the major funders push will garner the most coverage in the echo chamber. There is still time to sway the donors, but I think the heir apparent has been chosen.
Back door deals with the likes of Alex Jones, Hannity, Brietbart, Shapiro… and whatever other lunatics they watch on the regular is the road to the Presidency.
The GOP have done an amazing job demonizing media, making sure their voters only watch media they control.
Whoever the major funders push will garner the most coverage in the echo chamber. There is still time to sway the donors, but I think the heir apparent has been chosen.
Back door deals with the likes of Alex Jones, Hannity, Brietbart, Shapiro… and whatever other lunatics they watch on the regular is the road to the Presidency.
I wouldn't say he is "extremely" popular in Florida. But he almost certainly would win again there if he ran.
Trump showed you can do an end-run around that, though.
He didn't have that institutional support as the candidate at the beginning, although I don't think Murdoch had someone he was pushing hard as the obvious choice.
It really does seem DeSantis is being positioned as the heir apparent in a way there wasn't one last time. (Although Youngkin seems to want to make a play for it.)
I'm not convinced that it is as ironclad a lock as you think, though.
Nobody is “in control”…. Rather, they wield great influence.
I may be wrong of course… but I think things changed when Obama got in. The Koch’s were never establishment. They were libertarian who simply bought their way in by running non establishment candidates. They wanted tax cuts for the wealthy, and subsidies in their industry. They then merged with the medical, insurance, and other Industries, and could not believe they were not already doing what they were doing.
I think Trump was merely “allowed” to be President. If he did not go along with the agenda, there were plans to remove him and put Pence in. Of course Trump went along… and while not easy to manage, he is still all about the grift. And when he went off script on things like gun control… they simply explained his position to him and he did an about face next day.
I don’t think even the GOP are prepared to risk another Trump Presidency. If you think “Liberal Media” was unfair to Trump… wait until GOP primaries. The GOP are far more organized, and quite frankly evil.
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Because its the electorate's fault and certainly not the candidate's right? No way she ran a shit campaign she thought was a coronation.
So attempting to predict the 2024 is just ridiculous. I remember a Junior Senator winning a landslide. I remember Kamala and Beto as the ones to beat. I remember the crazy haired Socialist without a shot jumping in. I remember Jeb was a lock with all the money.
The economy was tanking the Dems, now RvW has changed that and nationally its even. And how that applies to local midterms is up for grabs. And the world is about to see a cascade of nation failures. Sri Lanka just declared itself bankrupt and more will soon follow. China is edging closer to a bad downturn involving both bank failures and a real estate collapse. The USA is going to recess hard and take more down with it.
Who the fuck knows if it will be a Reagan or FDR trend? What will motivate the voters and what will drive them to stay home.
Cripes at least wait until the mid terms to get a better sense of the national mood and what will more importantly set the tone of the recession response.
The economy was tanking the Dems, now RvW has changed that and nationally its even. And how that applies to local midterms is up for grabs. And the world is about to see a cascade of nation failures. Sri Lanka just declared itself bankrupt and more will soon follow. China is edging closer to a bad downturn involving both bank failures and a real estate collapse. The USA is going to recess hard and take more down with it.
Who the fuck knows if it will be a Reagan or FDR trend? What will motivate the voters and what will drive them to stay home.
Cripes at least wait until the mid terms to get a better sense of the national mood and what will more importantly set the tone of the recession response.
I suppose we could ignore the Right Wings deliberate campaigns of character assignation politics she was subjected too for well over a decade. There are still people that believe she is running a pedophile ring cabal, and had over 400 people murdered, including Anthony Bourdain. It’s amazing how the right wingers on this board will happily tell you about the “lies” of Liberal media… and somehow these whoppers are perfectly acceptable. “Standards”. Lol.
I didn't believe any of the Pizza gate crap. Pure garbage.
But she did pay off the 10 million DNC debt to buy the messaging of the party before the primary. As a NY Senator she quiety worked to block the 9/11 responder medical compensation package. As SOS she helped orchestrate the Libya civil war that resulted in at least one third of the migrant crisis. Her and her Husband are grifters of the worst sort.
She is just a shitty person. And she ran a shit campaign thinking she couldn't lose.
It true about the DNC…. They were going broke. And Sanders was an outsider. The Clintons have funded the DNC for decades and membership has its perks.
And yes, both her and her husband are suited for politics. They are a special breed. But grifters? There is a much longer line on front of them in that department. Which is why the GOP resorted to nonsensical lies. It amazes how they get called out for grifting, but GOP get a free pass. Trumps donation scams alone have been so many, I can’t keep track. And from righties on the board…. Crickets.
As far a Syria… just another failed US attempt in meddling in the Middle East. I doubt it was purely her brain child, or that it would have been different with McCain as Prez. Assad was, and is, a problem.
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If they had the guts to do it, they would have done it by now.
No one wants to be the one leading the charge, because some of them will get taken out.
I do agree most would prefer a DeSantis or a Youngkin, who is less of a hassle to deal with.
Running DeSantis would be seen by Trump supporters as running Trump's heir apparent with Trump's blessing. Also, Trump's one campaign weakness was that he wasn't an accomplished debater in any traditional sense. This didn't/doesn't matter to most, but probably does matter to mushy middle independent voters. DeSantis doesn't carry this liability. DeSantis is pretty much your same old Cadillac, but with better mileage and a fuel pump that still works.
Only if Trump gives his blessing, though.
If Trump decides DeSantis is passing him or disrespecting him, why wouldn't Trump attack him as a traitor?
Or do you think Trump is so weak now that if Trump attacks DeSantis Trump supporters will just make up a belief that Trump blessed him?
