Does your average 21 year old partier really believe he / she is going to get arrested and care if it impacts a career? They're young and dumb.
B.C. to decriminalize possession of small amounts of ‘hard’ drugs such as cocaine, fentanyl and heroin
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You have a point but some 21 yr olds have presence of mind too...I've smoked weed since I was 16 but the only time I had meth was when I was 23 and probably 3x i did it...never allowed myself in arms length of coke and heroin...back then I already saw what meth addicts end up to so never really hit that hard other than curiosity...
Is there empirical data of the impact on local communities...better or worse? I'm assuming that there is a correlation with homelessness and drug intoxication. There are many stories of needles found in playgrounds in public parks. Will this make community better or worse? IMHO, public parks are to be shared by the entire public, but not in a manner that they become a campground for the homeless or drug site.
No, it tends to stay the same.
The people who are shooting up heroin now, are the same people who will shoot up heroin when its decriminalized
That's why your having a hard time understanding. I've tried coke in my 20s I loved it but after a one week binge on it that cost me over 1k and not wating to show up for work. I quickly avoided the people that introduced me to it and I had a miserable few weeks.It made you feel like you could do anything better than before at least it did for me.As soon as I know someone does coke now I stay 50 feet away from them. I watched my neighbour win a settlement from a car accident and got awarded 1million he tried coke with an escort one night and he pissed away his million up his nose.as crazy as that sounds its just that addicting.i knew if I continued id be dead in the streets probs stealing to get my next fix its a high you want more of. But im proud of myself for the will power I had but most are weak to that drug what kept me strong was thinking of my 2 sons.
The problem with junkies is they tend to accumulate lengthy criminal records.
And when you have that nobody will hire you. So they have no incentive to get clean
And when you have that nobody will hire you. So they have no incentive to get clean
Maybe because I have never had a hard drug, I don’t know its effects, but I know about addiction and when it is freely available with no consequence, it allows the addict to keep being an addict. You may still be doing coke if there was no threat of you being dead in the street. That was what woke you up. Addicts usually need to hit rock bottom sadly to be able to stop, and when there is no rock bottom, there is no stopping.
But that is just my opinion. I mean I just admitted to Philly I was wrong about the decriminalization, I can be wrong about its effectiveness too and when/if that happens, I will gladly eat crow again then as well. LOL
I don't understand. You were in your 20's (maybe 30 years ago) and binged out on coke for a week and what kept you strong was thinking of your 2 sons. You didn't or didn't want to show up for work, so what I don't understand, who was looking after your 2 sons who were just maybe toddlers and maybe even still nursing? Did you have custody of them or was someone else looking after them? I am very confused.
If someone is willing to try drugs when they're in a sober state of mind, they're accepting the risks and potential consequences already when their mind is at their clearest. Once you're addicted, it can be unimaginably difficult to quit and a lot of these people aren't in a state of mind to even care about any consequences. I don't believe the threat of jail really makes any addicts quit, especially if they're physically dependent. These aren't people who are evil and deserve to be trapped behind bars. They don't deserve a criminal record that will make every aspect of their life more difficult. They're sick, and they need to be helped with strategies that have been proven to work.
A lot of people jump on conclusions from preconceived notions, and that's okay because it's an ideology that has been perpetuated by the people running the war on drugs for a long time. But we do know that the war on drugs has made problems worse, and that any area that has tried drug decriminalization has had success, and that incarnation tends to make things a lot worse.
I was married to a CEO of a big corporation.. I went away for a week because my husband said im gonna burn out doing the mom thing 247 I went to stay at an old college friends house and so she introduced me to it her words were it will make you feel so great and not tired we will just do it once she said then she had it every night and I bought some too.the day I left her house I didn't feel like going to work I was a mess and I told my husband what I did and he said he would support me staying away from it. That was my only time in my life I did coke. the last day I did it I became very paranoid I think we were awake like 5 days that week, but yes having children makes you think more of them then yourself . So if anyone pushes drugs on me now im really totally pissed right off and I despise that person for pushing drugs. its been 33 years and I have been near it by clients that don't tell me they have it but I block them after I find out there into shit guys spring this shit on woman in this business a lot you just have to be firm and stand your ground.
The problem is, almost every year for the past ten years in Ontario specifically, our government has taken more and more funding away from proper addictions/mental health treatment programs.
I believe in 2016, successful opiate treatment programs (MMT) had a 50% reduction in funding.
Residential treatment centres (mainly for women) that were 28+ days ten years ago are now 21 or less days due to cuts. Even those that are meant to treat addictions AND mental health issues. These treatment centres are forced to begin treatment, open mental wounds, then release clients back into the fire with a fraction of the treatment they need and no long term plan. This is why they are revolving doors.
When someone decides they want to enter treatment, they end up on a longterm waitlist. Especially women who end up waiting an average of 2 to 3 months for a 21 day program, and 9 months to over a year for longer treatment. If you can afford tens of thousands of dollars, you get in right away. Even government funded residential treatment centres reserve a few immediate beds for paying clients which makes waitlists longer for non paying clients.
This is even worse for youth under 18... almost impossible to find a residential treatment centre. We have one in Ontario.
Treatment centres need funding. They need to be long enough (3 months +) to begin adequate addiction treatment and mental health treatment with a proper long term plan for continuing outpatient treatment and a safe housing exit plan.
Addiction is not only a personal disease it is a social disease and our government has a responsibility.
So when our government is consistently defunding treatment options, what do they expect?
I believe in 2016, successful opiate treatment programs (MMT) had a 50% reduction in funding.
Residential treatment centres (mainly for women) that were 28+ days ten years ago are now 21 or less days due to cuts. Even those that are meant to treat addictions AND mental health issues. These treatment centres are forced to begin treatment, open mental wounds, then release clients back into the fire with a fraction of the treatment they need and no long term plan. This is why they are revolving doors.
When someone decides they want to enter treatment, they end up on a longterm waitlist. Especially women who end up waiting an average of 2 to 3 months for a 21 day program, and 9 months to over a year for longer treatment. If you can afford tens of thousands of dollars, you get in right away. Even government funded residential treatment centres reserve a few immediate beds for paying clients which makes waitlists longer for non paying clients.
This is even worse for youth under 18... almost impossible to find a residential treatment centre. We have one in Ontario.
Treatment centres need funding. They need to be long enough (3 months +) to begin adequate addiction treatment and mental health treatment with a proper long term plan for continuing outpatient treatment and a safe housing exit plan.
Addiction is not only a personal disease it is a social disease and our government has a responsibility.
So when our government is consistently defunding treatment options, what do they expect?
Waiting list are indeed quite long, but the programs exist and they seem to be 30- if not 60-days.
I have had a couple of clients who have been admitted in the last few weeks.
I agree 21,30 and even 60 day treatments are not enough. There should be centres set up for detox and then transition centers to deal with social, economic issues and for personal therapy.
I detoxed a family member twice and had them stay with me for 6 months each time. I did my best to help them get on their feet and they still went back and that was just alcohol. I can’t imagine harder drugs.
If foreign actors such as Mexico and China are allowed to keep inundating North America, how would this government proposition work? Addicts in Canada would just be kept alive by the state longer and the Canadian government just might for e itself in to becoming the supplier of medical grade controlled substances to ensure that addicts are in less danger, This is a dangerous rabbit hole with the addicts having no responsibility or fear of the law.
I still say that convicted drug dealers should be executed by firing squad and jail time for the addicts with treatment , would be the best way to reduce drug overdose deaths.
you make an excellent point…. I have criticized China for intentionally using drugs to destabilize the West
There are far too many drug out, unproductive Canadians that are dependent on the state in whole or in part, people who should be working. Fentanyl helps to ensure the destruction of the productive resource in Canada which might have otherwise made this country less dependant on the Chinese supply chain.
