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Mr.Know-It-All

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I agree with you with the fact that when tragedies like that happens, debate on how we could have done otherwise is unsensitive.

I disagree with you when you say it's not political tho. The United States of America is the country with the most mass shooting in the world. Why is that? I don't think you need to be a "righties" or a "lefties" to answer this question properly. Lots of bad decision up there.

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The USA has a population of 330 million while the Netherlands has a population of 17 million. If the rate stayed the same and the Netherlands population was the same size as the USA, they'd have 116 total deaths.

The USA also has exponentially higher rates of mental health problems, gangs, and so on. These shootings deaths are a mental health issue.

The guns are there to stay.
 

Spunky1

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Watch "If anything happens I love you " on Netflix or elsewhere.
I saw it last year but now unfortunately is a reminder for a rewatch .
It's a 10 minute short animation with no dialogue about a couple sending their
daughter to school when a shooting occurs.
 
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mandrill

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The USA has a population of 330 million while the Netherlands has a population of 17 million. If the rate stayed the same and the Netherlands population was the same size as the USA, they'd have 116 total deaths.

The USA also has exponentially higher rates of mental health problems, gangs, and so on. These shootings deaths are a mental health issue.

The guns are there to stay.
You got stats for that?

Why don't the Dutch "mental health problem" people go kill other people like the American "mental health problem" people?..... Oh, yeah. It's because they don't have GUNS in the Netherlands.
 

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You would have to be a very bad shot to need an AR-15 for hunting. Lmao. I mean I would need that type of gun for hunting because I couldn’t hit something the size of a house if I needed to. LOL
Why do people with the least amount of knowledge on a subject have the strongest views and most to say ?

Did you know that large game shouldn't be hunted with an ar 15 because it is not powerful enough ?

Yea contrary to popular belief, the big bad ar 15 is just a .223 whereas most hunting rifles are .308 30-06 or .338

Stop repeating misleading media talking points and do some research, in this day and age ignorance is no excuse


An ar 15 is just a popular rifle, it is not an assault rifle (ar stands for armalit not assault rifle)
It is no more deadly then any other firearm
It is not a machine gun like you see in the movies

It is simply the honda civic of firearms, cheap, popular with lots of parts available.
 

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And how stupid is the suggestion to arm teachers and general school staff? They would likely have minimal basic training in handling firearms, especially in a mass shooter threat situation, and would probably make the situation worse instead of better. Nor would they be a deterrent to somebody crazy enough be planning to carry out a mass shooting.

Yes, its feasible to have armed guards at every door, in every school in the US. Hire veterans. They are experienced, fearless and will defend children and teachers. T

Not sure why you took offense at my comment
I did not suggest arming teachers,
I said "guards"
and mentioned veterans as in "retired military"
 
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Even worse, here are the top 10 countries for gun deaths/100,000 residents in 2022.

Honduras 60
Venezuela 49.22
El Salvador 45.6
Eswatini 37.16
Guatemala 34.1
Jamaica 30.72
Brazil 21.9
Colombia 18.65
Panama 15.11 14.36
Latino drug cartels?
 

HEYHEY

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So the answer for the righties is, arm the teachers, post an armed guard at every door and sell sell sell more guns??
Arming teachers who are not properly trained is probably not a good idea, but what's wrong with having a police officer or two in each school ?
 

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and it would be such a travesty and a taking away of one's freedoms to be denied an AR-15 which is designed to kill as many as possible in the shortest amount of time right??
That's not at all what its designed for and you know it.
 

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In what countries is this done?
Its been done here in Toronto. And it was pretty effective until the activists starting complaining to the TPSB.
 

mandrill

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Quite simply the situation won't change for this reason.

Fear. The people of the USA live in fear. Of their own government, their own police depts, and whatever "other" is their layest scapegoat. It's palpable. Having returned recently for the USA and seeing the income inequality, the physical decay, the emotional and spiritual decay of its society and people, they have given up, or are choosing to take up arms expecting a complete breakdown.

Everything is based on climbing over their fellow Americans to get ahead, not working together. Exploitation instead of collaboration. They are judged not on content of character, but status of wealth and fame. And they easily and callously discard those deemed useless and spent.

They will sell you anything, try to convince you can't live without this, with crassness and pressure, all for the quick buck. Their corporations will happily hurt them, in the name of profit. Their Government kill them, in the name of control, and their fellow citizens, both out of ego and pride, desire for things, and despair over failure.

They fear each other, and for good reason.
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Why do people with the least amount of knowledge on a subject have the strongest views and most to say ?

Did you know that large game shouldn't be hunted with an ar 15 because it is not powerful enough ?

Yea contrary to popular belief, the big bad ar 15 is just a .223 whereas most hunting rifles are .308 30-06 or .338

Stop repeating misleading media talking points and do some research, in this day and age ignorance is no excuse


An ar 15 is just a popular rifle, it is not an assault rifle (ar stands for armalit not assault rifle)
It is no more deadly then any other firearm
It is not a machine gun like you see in the movies

It is simply the honda civic of firearms, cheap, popular with lots of parts available.
So it is not good for hunting? Perfect. I agree. Ar-15s are not needed for hunting. Thanks
 

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That's not at all what its designed for and you know it.
HMMMMM okay





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Originally Answered: what was the AR-15 designed for?
There’s really no way around admitting that it was designed to kill people. The AR-15 was designed as a successor to the AR-10. The AR-10 used Nato 7.62 ammunition which tended to be heavy. The idea was to make a successor to the AR-10 that was lighter and used lighter 5.56 ammunition. That way a soldier could carry more ammunition to kill more people before having to return to base for a resupply.
Now a lot of people will try to highlight the fact that the CURRENT (a fact I have to prove to “gun enthusiasts” over and over) AR-15 is not selective fire but is semi-automatic only. The reality is that it was a necessity for Colt to market the weapon to consumers. Any thing selective fire or above is technically classified as a machine gun under federal law. Colt took a military weapon designed to kill people (AR-15 became M-16 and then was marketed to consumers again as AR-15) and removed selective fire.
Now is it suitable for other purposes? Yes. But it was designed to kill people. Period.

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Butler1000

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That's not at all what its designed for and you know it.
Its a weapon designed for military use. Therefore it is specifically designed to kill human beings. Add in large capacity ammo designs and then it is a weapon specifically designed to kill a large amount of said human beings.

That is the simple truth.
 
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