Good to know, that tyrannical shithole is a parliamentary democracy after all
Surrender at Mariupol
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Yes off courseGood to know, that tyrannical shithole is a parliamentary democracy after all
that’s them trying to bump their own popularity among the electorate.And we have democracy here and freedom! Like with vaccine passports are still a must to travel wherever we are used to, but Trudeau said that Ukrainians can enter and leave Canada whenever they want without any vaccines.!
Da, everyone will vote unanimously for what Komrad Putin tells to. But is not dictatorship.Good to know, that tyrannical shithole is a parliamentary democracy after all
Except Ukraine has large natural gas reserves. Russia might be doing its best to steal Ukrainian grain but there's nothing they can do to wreck the untapped fossil fuels.
Ukraine doesn't have to force Russia out to win. All they have to do is not lose. The Muj in Afghanistan bled Russia to the braking point and it seems Ukrainians are similarly motivated. The big difference is in this conflict, NATO is openly providing heavy weaponry that they would never have given to Afghan militias.
On the other side, Russia needs a significant victory to justify the invasion to its people.
Anti-Russian militias were fighting Russian backed militias. Neither side were anywhere near the good guys.
Translation. The people of a country have no right to reject their previous leadership unless Putin gives his approval.
Right. Is should still be Peking and Bombay because that's whet the Brits called them.
You can't redefine victory. Victory is maintaining control over all of your territory. Afghanistan only succeeded in its war with Russia WHEN Russia relinquished control and left. Not before. Is that what you want for Ukrainians? A prolonged guerilla campaign resulting in millions dead?
Whatever heavy weaponry the Ukrainians can acquire, the Russians have MORE. MUCH MUCH MORE. The Ukrainians can inflict losses. That gives them leverage to negotiate a more favourable armistice. But don't confuse leverage for the ability to "win" this war. It's unwinnable AT THIS TIME, for the reasons I've already stated. If conditions change in the future (direct NATO engagement, as an example), perhaps a different result may be possible. Ukrainians need to play the waiting game. There is nothing to be gained by throwing themselves into the meatgrinder.
Instead they are trying to mobilize every single citizen in Ukraine. Came up with an new law that if you left Ukraine and fail to return within 30 or 60 days(something like that) you loose your citizenship.
Considering that the Donbas declared independence before this war, Ukraine is maintaining control over all of their territory while Russia has lost 1/3 their entire fighting force destroying the states that had declared their Russian allegiance.
Russia's show trials will be for the generals who have not been killed by the Ukrainians.
They want to avoid an attritional struggle. But unless Putin declares general mobilization, Russia doesn't have a large manpower advantage over Ukraine.
And yes, I want Ukraine to fight a long war if that's what they have to do to drive the Russians out. Life under the Russians would be pretty awful.
What are you trying to say?
My Lviv friend is pretty all in on "Slave Ukraini" and so is her family. And that surprised the fuck out of me. Know why?....
Because she's Russophone Ukrainian and her dad's from St P and used to be an apparatchik for the Soviets. They had no reason to hate Russia and when I met her 15 years ago she was a Putin fangurl. But you give people freedom and dignity for a few years and then you come and try and take it away from them and they're going to fight like tigers to keep that freedom and dignity. That's why the Ukrainians fight.
When the invaders were expected to easily overwhelm Ukraine and instead, they hold barely more land then they already did, Russia lost. It's not an end but the Battle of Britain would be a good comparison. The Brits won that battle by holding off the significant superiority of Luftwaffe just like the Ukrainians have won the first phase of this war.
Putin has his reputation and ego on the line and will have a hard time surviving anything less than a clear victory and Ukraine wins simply by preventing that.
The victory conditions that Ukraine wants is all that matters, whether they are okay with the previous status quo of de facto Russian control of those breakaway regions, whether they want Crimea back, or whether they will demand reparations from Russia or want to conquer Russian territory.
You're bad at history. At no point in the Battle of Britain did Germany occupy and/or control any part of Britain. It was a failed invasion attempt. They never gained air supremacy, so they never landed.
Do you have any serious doubt that Putin will, if he has to? There is no doubt in my mind. Isn't the ONLY way that wouldn't happen is if he faced a serious threat of being deposed by the oligarchs or the military?
Afghanistan is your example. Life was pretty awful during Russian occupation, after Russia left, and continues to be awful to this day. Dying is dying. The only way the Ukraine will enjoy long term peace and prosperity ever again is for Russian leadership to change, and for the new leadership to decide to leave Ukraine alone. There isn't anything that Ukrainians can do on the battlefield to cause this (although NATO involvement could). However, the economic sanctions on Russia might, if Europe is prepared to do what they must to back them.
Or he might simply say that capturing Mariupol "wipes out Nazism in Ukraine" and hold a big parade and then jail and beat anyone who fails to cheer for him.
The Russian occupation - partial at best - of Afghanistan didn't change how awful life was is there. It's a primitive place by our standards. Ukraine without the Russians is pretty advanced.
You seem to understand who the Ukrainians are dealing with. How then do you expect Putin to back down from Russian occupation of Ukraine for any reason other than a threat of being deposed? The oligarchs do not care about the loss of Russian soldier lives. They do care about the cratering of the value of their business assets.
Ukraine had lots of problems BEFORE Russian invasion. It had it's own oligarchs and corruption. My own theory is that Zelenskyy's ostensible campaign to clean things up prompted UKRAINIAN oligarchs to co-ordinate with Putin to make this invasion happen.
