Toronto Maple Leafs - Playoffs 2022

Gooseifur

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I think Trotz is going to Vegas. I've never liked Dubas, seems very stubborn and unwilling to change. He did make some good signings and some bad ones and the Kadri trade was awful. He would be the first to go for me and then let the new GM tinker. I don't think there is a lot they can do with them being so close to the cap. Tavares is untradeable. He has a no trade clause, so he would have to OK a trade and his contract is a boat anchor.
 
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Who do you think Trotz would say is closer to a Cup - Vegas or Toronto?
Probably us. The main reason being Vegas could have to go through the Avalanche powerhouse that will just get better with time. Plus if he were to ever succeed in bringing a Cup (or even a finals appearance) to Toronto he'd be treated like a God.
 

chrispalen

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Barry Trotz was fired by the Islanders.
Thanks for letting me know. Why would we want a coach fired by another team. If he is not good enough for the Islanders, he would not be better than Keefe.
Keefe may be good but not the right coach for the leafs. Also the team needs some changes to the players, particularly the forwards. None of them scored any
goals in game 7 except defense man Reilly (he should get a raise and be paid as much as
 

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Probably us. The main reason being Vegas could have to go through the Avalanche powerhouse that will just get better with time. Plus if he were to ever succeed in bringing a Cup (or even a finals appearance) to Toronto he'd be treated like a God.
Avs window will close quickly with contracts coming up.
 

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Not that I care, but firing another coach? It should be clear to anyone that the GM overpaid for the "core" and there is no room for the quality 2nd and 3rd lines. You cannot win the Stanley Cup rolling 1 1/2 line and hot and tepid goaltending. Sorry, boys and girls, but Dubas had his shot and he failed miserably. If he is not fired, I will stop even watching the highlights. Oh, btw, "Shanny" is a dumbass.
 

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Just saw on cp24 that Shanny is keeping Dumbass and Keefe and not making any changes for the sake of making a change.
Wow, hard to believe they are that stupid but then again we are the stupid ones for following this organization.
 

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Just saw on cp24 that Shanny is keeping Dumbass and Keefe and not making any changes for the sake of making a change.
Wow, hard to believe they are that stupid but then again we are the stupid ones for following this organization.
I stopped drinking the kool aid in September 2019.
 

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I questioned some of Keefe’s decisions but I do not think he was outcoached to the extent that led to the loss. Rather, I’d point the finger at some of the players’ performance as the proximate cause of this year’s downfall, Kertfoot and Tavares come to mind. There was also a general lack of determination to lock down on defence. My eye test tells me that the Lightning players were a lot more willing to block shots.

Kertfoot’s screwups led directly to the game 6 loss, without which I have no doubt that the Leafs would have closed out the series. Tavares was very good in the same game but he offered no meaningful contributions in the other games. The Lightning were ready to be had, but with Tavares being a non factor, the Leafs would not get past either Carolina or Florida even if they beat Tampa.

Whenever Tavares leadership was questioned, his defenders would say only his teammates would know and we fans not in the locker room could not be the judge; well in this series we saw no leadership from him on ice. He showed no emotions and Spezza had to do all the pep talks that a captain was supposed to do, even to Tavares himself during games. He showed no emotions and did not lead by performance either. We’re definitely not getting a fair return on a 11million player.

I don’t know what Keefe could have done to outcoach Cooper. The one criticism I’d lay on him would be that he didn’t mentally prepare his players or have the right players to start game 4, but then again it was more the players’ fault than anything.

The bigger concern I have for next season is on the three aging veterans, Tavares, Muzzin and Brodie. They’ll be one year older and slower when next season starts. No less than 10 players who played in this series will need new deals including Campbell and Lyubrushkin.

Shanahan made one big mistake and that was to entrust the future of this franchise to Dubas who was still learning on the job. Allegedly there were other clubs which were also seeking his services and that pressured Shanahan to hand the job to him. I could see the logic for a rebuilding club to want Dubas as there’d be room for him to grow with the team, but for the Leafs who had championship aspirations it was an unwise move to hire an apprentice to build a contender.

Matthews has only two years left on his deal thanks to Dubas’ shortsightedness. Tavares contract is looking more and more like a burden for remaining years. Dubas’ other acquisitions and draft picks have added minimal improvements. Cap space is limited. By this time next year, Shanahan will be making the same exit speech as he had made the past few years, assuming he’ll still be here to do so.
 
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Shanahan made one big mistake and that was to entrust the future of this franchise to Dubas who was still learning on the job. Allegedly there were other clubs which were also seeking his services and that pressured Shanahan to hand the job to him. I could see the logic for a rebuilding club to want Dubas as there’d be room for him to grow with the team, but for the Leafs who had championship aspirations it was an unwise move to hire an apprentice to build a contender.

Matthews has only two years left on his deal thanks to Dubas’ shortsightedness. Tavares contract is looking more and more like a burden for remaining years. Dubas’ other acquisitions and draft picks have added minimal improvements. Cap space is limited. By this time next year, Shanahan will be making the same exit speech as he had made the past few years, assuming he’ll still be here to do so.
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I agree. A team ready to win should not have been led by a rookie GM.
 

Gooseifur

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Who do you think Trotz would say is closer to a Cup - Vegas or Toronto?
Going by playoff success, Vegas. Toronto isn't getting rid of Keefe so Trotz is off the table for the Leafs.
 

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I questioned some of Keefe’s decisions but I do not think he was outcoached to the extent that led to the loss. Rather, I’d point the finger at some of the players’ performance as the proximate cause of this year’s downfall, Kertfoot and Tavares come to mind. There was also a general lack of determination to lock down on defence. My eye test tells me that the Lightning players were a lot more willing to block shots.

Kertfoot’s screwups led directly to the game 6 loss, without which I have no doubt that the Leafs would have closed out the series. Tavares was very good in the same game but he offered no meaningful contributions in the other games. The Lightning were ready to be had, but with Tavares being a non factor, the Leafs would not get past either Carolina or Florida even if they beat Tampa.

Whenever Tavares leadership was questioned, his defenders would say only his teammates would know and we fans not in the locker room could not be the judge; well in this series we saw no leadership from him on ice. He showed no emotions and Spezza had to do all the pep talks that a captain was supposed to do, even to Tavares himself during games. He showed no emotions and did not lead by performance either. We’re definitely not getting a fair return on a 11million player.

I don’t know what Keefe could have done to outcoach Cooper. The one criticism I’d lay on him would be that he didn’t mentally prepare his players or have the right players to start game 4, but then again it was more the players’ fault than anything.

The bigger concern I have for next season is on the three aging veterans, Tavares, Muzzin and Brodie. They’ll be one year older and slower when next season starts. No less than 10 players who played in this series will need new deals including Campbell and Lyubrushkin.

Shanahan made one big mistake and that was to entrust the future of this franchise to Dubas who was still learning on the job. Allegedly there were other clubs which were also seeking his services and that pressured Shanahan to hand the job to him. I could see the logic for a rebuilding club to want Dubas as there’d be room for him to grow with the team, but for the Leafs who had championship aspirations it was an unwise move to hire an apprentice to build a contender.

Matthews has only two years left on his deal thanks to Dubas’ shortsightedness. Tavares contract is looking more and more like a burden for remaining years. Dubas’ other acquisitions and draft picks have added minimal improvements. Cap space is limited. By this time next year, Shanahan will be making the same exit speech as he had made the past few years, assuming he’ll still be here to do so.
Shanahan made one big mistake and that was to entrust the future of this franchise to Dubas who was still learning on the job. Allegedly there were other clubs which were also seeking his services and that pressured Shanahan to hand the job to him. I could see the logic for a rebuilding club to want Dubas as there’d be room for him to grow with the team, but for the Leafs who had championship aspirations it was an unwise move to hire an apprentice to build a contender.

Matthews has only two years left on his deal thanks to Dubas’ shortsightedness. Tavares contract is looking more and more like a burden for remaining years. Dubas’ other acquisitions and draft picks have added minimal improvements. Cap space is limited. By this time next year, Shanahan will be making the same exit speech as he had made the past few years, assuming he’ll still be here to do so.
I agree. A team ready to win should not have been led by a rookie GM.
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It looks like some other Leaf fans have also stopped drinking the kool aid (as I did in September 2019).

As I mentioned before, I find most Leaf fans intelligent, rational. knowledgeable and civil but a few are simply jerks.
 

Gooseifur

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I agree. A team ready to win should not have been led by a rookie GM.
It looks like some other Leaf fans have also stopped drinking the kool aid (as I did in September 2019).

As I mentioned before, I find most Leaf fans intelligent, rational. knowledgeable and civil but a few are simply jerks.
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Knowledgeable and Intelligent, yes. Rational, no.
 

kyleb899

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GARBAGE FRANCHISE, 6th striaght first round exists, these 2 clowns still not fired yet.
Every year the past 5 years the so called Leafs media Sportnet and TSN keep saying the Leafs are Stanley Cup contender
 

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At this point AM can't wait to get out of Tombstone.

The problem with Shanny and Dumbass, they have become risk averse, a recurring theme with the Loafs. If you're stock piling goalies, let Campbell go, or else make it seven in a row. I prefer they not make the playoffs.
 

kyleb899

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It Looks like Tampa BAy will 3peat, good for them .
Tampa Bay has depth line up , all 4 lines scoring and contributing
Nake note the loser bum Leafs, to win a cup a team needs to have dept scoring from all 4 lines, have decent a goldtender
Shanny and Dumbass thinks the bum team is still good enough to win next year lol, no changes at all lol haha
 

John Wick

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This Leafs team needed, and next year's Leafs will really need a different kind of coach than Sheldon Keefe to get them over the hump. Dubas isn't really the root cause problem, nor is Shanahan.
 
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