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We need a government in Ontario that cares about climate change – and will do something about it

oil&gas

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Lana Goldberg

Ontario’s upcoming election will determine whether our province will be part of the climate change solution.


The recent Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report concluded that the world needs to cut greenhouse emissions in half by the end of this decade to avoid total climate breakdown. So decisions made in the next few years will have far-reaching consequences for the planet.


This is why it is absolutely necessary that we elect a legislature that will ensure Ontario does its part to bring down greenhouse gas emissions, especially because it’s the second largest polluting province in Canada.


**Take the pledge to Vote For The Environment on June 2**


But Ontario has been going in the opposite direction. After having phased out coal and successfully decreased pollution between 2005 and 2017, emissions started to rise again in 2018 – when the current government came into power. And its policies since have not helped to turn the tide.

The current Ontario Government’s record

Climate Change policies

The result of these policy choices is that the province is far from meeting its own meager climate target of cutting greenhouse gas emissions by 30 per cent by 2030 (below 2005 levels). Let’s remember that the Federal target is a 40-45 percent reduction, and that what we actually need is closer to a 60 per cent reduction to do our share to avoid global catastrophic climate change.


This is totally doable. Ontario could dramatically reduce emissions by:


  • Phasing out gas plants
  • Investing in renewable energy projects
  • Canceling destructive mega highways
  • Expanding public transportation
  • Bringing back energy efficiency programs and funding
  • Strengthening the pollution price system for big industry

We reached out to the major parties to ask about their commitments to these types of policies. You can check out our voting for environment website to see their positions and decide for yourself which party will deliver the climate policies we urgently need.


You can also take the pledge to Vote For The Environment to commit to actually voting on election day – with the environment in mind.


And finally, if you’re in Southwestern Ontario, you can join us at Emergency in Ontario: Rally for Climate, Communities and Nature! on Saturday, May 14th to show all parties that the climate and environment are key election issues for Ontarians.


This June we have an opportunity to put Ontario on a responsible and sustainable path. Let’s make sure this happens!

 
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Frankfooter

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Lana Goldberg

Ontario’s upcoming election will determine whether our province will be part of the climate change solution.
Is today a day when you're feeling guilt or gloating about the money you made?
 

Dutch Oven

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We need a government that pretends to care about climate change rhetoric, but does nothing about it.
 
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jcpro

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We need the government that will cut the red tape and allow our construction industry to build like crazy because we have a society crushing housing crisis. We need a government that will freeze the public service wages and hiring and tackle the debt and the deficit. We need a government that will look for solutions to our laughably shitty healthcare system. We need a government that will use the tax code to encourage higher productivity and promote savings. We need government that will take care of the basic needs like infrastructure instead of concentrating on the pie in the sky "solutions" for climate. And that goes for all levels and the list is nowhere to being complete.
 
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Dutch Oven

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Is there any other kind? 😁
Well, certainly none of them actually do anything about it, because there is nothing they can do about it, but some do things in the name of climate change. Case in point - our federal Liberals and the carbon tax. I'd prefer a government which spent less and, as a result, didn't have to tax me for the imaginary things they claim the tax will cause me to do or not do.
 

jcpro

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Well, certainly none of them actually do anything about it, because there is nothing they can do about it, but some do things in the name of climate change. Case in point - our federal Liberals and the carbon tax. I'd prefer a government which spent less and, as a result, didn't have to tax me for the imaginary things they claim the tax will cause me to do or not do.
This week the price of gas will be going above $2- exactly what the carbon tax was suppose to cause. Everyone must still drive, however, only everything will cost more- especially for those who can afford it the least. That's Justin showing his love for the poor and the middle class.
 
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bver_hunter

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Hilarious, how the right wingers blame the Government for everything including the price at the pumps. To date the carbon tax is responsible for 11 cents per litre and not the $2 peaks expected in Ontario. However, all tax payers have received a credit for every single year to balance this tax. We all know that the price rises at the pump are decided by the Oil Companies CEOs that are only concerned about lining their own pockets with sky high bonuses on the backs of consumers!!
 

Frankfooter

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This week the price of gas will be going above $2- exactly what the carbon tax was suppose to cause. Everyone must still drive, however, only everything will cost more- especially for those who can afford it the least. That's Justin showing his love for the poor and the middle class.
Carbon tax is better as then the government makes the money and can use it to fund transition.
Now its just Putin and oil & gas cheering for the high prices.
 

jcpro

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Carbon tax is better as then the government makes the money and can use it to fund transition.
Now its just Putin and oil & gas cheering for the high prices.
Transition from steak to ground beef- regular not extra lean.
 

oil&gas

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The more politicians and their sheeple care about climate change the higher
oil and gas price will be rising. That is what makes me happy to help climate activists
sharing their message. I am sure solar and wind power will continue to grow at
the cost of higher and higher prices at the pump as well as rising carbon emission.
 

JohnLarue

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Transition from steak to ground beef- regular not extra lean.
Anyone who thinks there will be a seamless transition from FF to renewables is dreaming in technicolor or is being disingenuous

There is no way in hell that renewables will displace even a meaningful fraction of 2 * 100 million barrels of oil equivalent per day

Per day !
 
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bazokajoe

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I'll be voting for Uncle Dougie. Too many years a free wheeling spending by the Liberals and I'm old enough to remember the 4 horrible years under the NDP.
 
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Dutch Oven

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This week the price of gas will be going above $2- exactly what the carbon tax was suppose to cause. Everyone must still drive, however, only everything will cost more- especially for those who can afford it the least. That's Justin showing his love for the poor and the middle class.
Jagmeet's position is just as irrational. He's out there blaming "profiteering" for high gas prices, and promoting some sort of excess profits tax.

First of all, if oil company profits are going up, that means they will be paying more in corporate taxes. It would seem, fundamentally, Jagmeet thinks that's not enough, and there should be progressive rates for corporate tax, just as there is for personal taxes. Why? Aren't corporate profits ultimately distributed to individuals who pay these progressive tax rates? Does Jameet equate the social justice issues baked into the personal tax system to the relationship between marginally profitable businesses and extremely profitable businesses? Brainless journalists never ask him these reasonable questions.

Further, if there were higher corporate taxes rates for higher levels of profit, where would this new tax revenue be redistributed? Jagmeet pulls out the meaningless "investment in people" malarkey. Higher corporate tax rates wouldn't lower the price at the pumps - it would far more likely result in higher prices! Also, the tax collected wouldn't be rebated back to the people who need to buy gas, because these people work and earn a living - they aren't members of the class of Canadians who rely on government support programs. In short, he doesn't want to help working Canadians (who are the people who really are being hurt by these prices). He's really talking about increasing the tax burden on working Canadians to, once again, throw money at government programs that don't work and at the and the government grant industry (his real constituency).

How he can spout such nonsense without being challenged by interviewers is mind boggling!
 
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jcpro

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Jagmeet's position is just as irrational. He's out there blaming "profiteering" for high gas prices, and promoting some sort of excess profits tax.

First of all, if oil company profits are going up, that means they will be paying more in corporate taxes. It would seem, fundamentally, Jagmeet thinks that's not enough, and there should be progressive rates for corporate tax, just as there is for personal taxes. Why? Aren't corporate profits ultimately distributed to individuals who pay these progressive tax rates? Does Jameet equate the social justice issues baked into the personal tax system to the relationship between marginally profitable businesses and extremely profitable businesses? Brainless journalists never ask him these reasonable questions.

Further, if there were higher corporate taxes rates for higher levels of profit, where would this new tax revenue be redistributed? Jagmeet pulls out the meaningless "investment in people" malarkey. Higher corporate tax rates wouldn't lower the price at the pumps - it would far more likely result in higher prices! Also, the tax collected wouldn't be rebated back to the people who need to buy gas, because these people work and earn a living - they aren't members of the class of Canadians who rely on government support programs. In short, he doesn't want to help working Canadians (who are the people who really are being hurt by these prices). He's really talking about increasing the tax burden on working Canadians to, once again, throw money at government programs that don't work and at the and the government grant industry (his real constituency).

How he can spout such nonsense without being challenged by interviewers is mind boggling!
I don't blame Jag for pulling the "profiteering " card. For the socialists it's a Pavlovian response. They do it without even thinking- an instinct. In the old country, profiteering, hoarding and speculation was the expected response to inflation, shortages and even crop failures. When you are not willing to identify the real cause and propose a solution, all you got left is the excuses.
 

Frankfooter

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The more politicians and their sheeple care about climate change the higher
oil and gas price will be rising. That is what makes me happy to help climate activists
sharing their message. I am sure solar and wind power will continue to grow at
the cost of higher and higher prices at the pump as well as rising carbon emission.
The obvious thing to do is the exact opposite of everything oil & gas recommends.
 

bazokajoe

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Fire Doug ford. Buy more Teslas, give rebates for EV, and build EV charging stations.
People don't but EV's because they are too expensive. Rebates are idiotic. They reward the high income earners. Private companies should build charging stations, not the government. They obviously aren't profitable or private businesses would build them. The Canadian Tire in my home town has EV charging stations and I never see them being used.
 

glamphotographer

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People don't but EV's because they are too expensive. Rebates are idiotic. They reward the high income earners. Private companies should build charging stations, not the government. They obviously aren't profitable or private businesses would build them. The Canadian Tire in my home town has EV charging stations and I never see them being used.
I have investments in Tesla, buy a Tesla. Good for the environment and my retirement.
 
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Moviefan-2

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I don't blame Jag for pulling the "profiteering " card. For the socialists it's a Pavlovian response.
The National Post had an interesting column today on this point.

It noted that Singh accuses Loblaws of profiting from inflation. But he also accused Loblaws of profiting from the pandemic.


The columnist questions whether there is any circumstance where Singh would be OK with Loblaws making a profit. 🤔
 
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