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They don't own up to their faults like the GOP lmao. If the economy matters. The GOP has had every recession except for 1 since wwii. The largest increases in debt was almost entirely GOP. The worst numbers for secure borders were under Reagan and gwb.
Careful you are getting into the dangerous area of trying ti use facts which have not been approved by his fearless leader.
 
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WyattEarp

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They don't own up to their faults like the GOP lmao. If the economy matters. The GOP has had every recession except for 1 since wwii. The largest increases in debt was almost entirely GOP. The worst numbers for secure borders were under Reagan and gwb.
I didn't say the GOP owns up to its faults. When your ideology promotes larger government, you have to by nature ignore government's limitations.

As far as recessions, they come and they go. Kennedy had one, Carter had one. We've talked about the cycles of the economy here before. Only cheerleaders like Frank seem to get off on the inevitable ebbs and flows of the economic cycle. If you take office during a recession, you might have good fortune politically.

I think the U.S. might be due for a recession. My fear is that the Biden Administration will try to spend their way around it. The current Fed could be stupid enough to not want to rein in inflationary pressures. Trying to avoid a recession is like holding off on your bowel movement because you find them messy.
 
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Have you noticed we're in the second year of the Biden Administration and quite a few posters have to always bring up Trump when discussing the current Administration.

In any event, Trump is not on the ballot in November. If Trump runs in 2024, he would have to get through the primaries. Trump's more popular policies will be adopted by other Republican candidates who are more articulate and polished.
 
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I didn't say the GOP owns up to its faults. When your ideology promotes larger government, you have to by nature ignore government's limitations.

As far as recessions, they come and they go. Kennedy had one, Carter had one. We've talked about the cycles of the economy here before. Only cheerleaders like Frank seem to get off on the inevitable ebbs and flows of the economic cycle. If you take office during a recession, you might have good fortune politically.

I think the U.S. might be due for a recession. My fear is that the Biden Administration will try to spend their way around it. The current Fed could be stupid enough to not want to rein in inflationary pressures. Trying to avoid a recession is like holding off on your bowel movement because you find them messy.
The irony of GOP not wanting big government is that they want to control everything at the state level and for the most part do, which renders the federal government mostly powerless especially since virtually all bills and policies except for executive orders must go through the legislative branches before they can be approved. This is a flawed government system which the GOP exploits to sandbag every advancement the democrats try to make and if that doesn't work they sue the government from the state level.
 

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Have you noticed we're in the second year of the Biden Administration and quite a few posters have to always bring up Trump when discussing the current Administration.

In any event, Trump is not on the ballot in November. If Trump runs in 2024, he would have to get through the primaries. Trump's more popular policies will be adopted by other Republican candidates who are more articulate and polished.
Trump's not on the ballot this year, but all of the House of Representatives and a lot of key Senate seats are. MTG, for example, who just pleaded loss of memory to the 1/6 Committee (telling the truth would have revoked her Trumpist credentials) is also in the Mark Meadows e-mails, which didn't come from Hunter's laptop. This is going to be a bad optic, even in NW Georgia. A good advance indicator of how a lot of it is liable to go is how well the Trump loyalists do in their own Repug primaries...
 

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Trump's not on the ballot this year, but all of the House of Representatives and a lot of key Senate seats are. MTG, for example, who just pleaded loss of memory to the 1/6 Committee (telling the truth would have revoked her Trumpist credentials) is also in the Mark Meadows e-mails, which didn't come from Hunter's laptop. This is going to be a bad optic, even in NW Georgia. A good advance indicator of how a lot of it is liable to go is how well the Trump loyalists do in their own Repug primaries...
MTG is on the fringe of the Republican Party. Just like some members of "the squad" are fringe elements of the Democratic Party.

If you watch CNN and MSNBC, you get a steady diet of the notorious MTG. Oh it's horrible, MTG is the face of the Republican Party!!!😯😫😡
On Fox News, they typically mention Omar, Tlaib, and Pressley more often than their importance.

In the history of our Republic our Congressional voting system has always given us a few nut jobs on the fringe from highly partisan districts. I suspect the party discipline of the Canadian system keeps these political types off the ballot. I'm not sure what cable news would do without these fringe politicians.

Even though I don't care for AOC's politics, I find her quite articulate and charismatic. Perhaps I'm a sexist pig. I might be influenced by her looks. Anyway, AOC might be the Senator from one of the largest States in our country one day soon.
 
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You failed to answer my question. What immigration policy changed under Biden?
Again, you are relying on partisan news for your information or you think people are too dumb to know what is going on.

The Biden Administration eliminated the "Remain in Mexico" policy and went back to catch and release. The Biden Administration is fighting for their decision in Court appealing lower Court decisions.


How did Bidens much needed infrastructure bill cause inflation which is all around the world ? Many people on fox blamed Biden for russias aggression including the useless orange turd
As I said, it's not what the Biden Administration is doing. It's what they are not doing. Doubling down on massive BBB spending was a distraction. Threatening the fossil fuels industry only spooks investment in new domestic exploration. I also said I don't really know what Trump would do to deal with inflation, but he's not President.

You know Trump being stupid and the Biden Administration being stupid are not mutually exclusive.
 

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MTG is on the fringe of the Republican Party. Just like some members of "the squad" are fringe elements of the Democratic Party.

If you watch CNN and MSNBC, you get a steady diet of the notorious MTG. Oh it's horrible, MTG is the face of the Republican Party!!!😯😫😡
On Fox News, they typically mention Omar, Tlaib, and Pressley more often than their importance.

In the history of our Republic our Congressional voting system has always given us a few nut jobs on the fringe from highly partisan districts. I suspect the party discipline of the Canadian system keeps these political types off the ballot. I'm not sure what cable news would do without these fringe politicians.

Perhaps I'm a sexist pig. Even though I don't care for AOC's politics, I find her quite articulate and charismatic. I might be influenced by her looks. Anyway, AOC might be the Senator from one of the largest States in our country one day soon.
MTG is not the fringe. She is mainstream. Her and Madison Crawford and Lauren Boebert. They are the ones steering the ship. If you don't think so, look at the apparent power Trump still commands. Kevin McCarthy is lying to people straight up that he was demanding Trump resign after Jan. 6th.

Referring to an early post, let's look at the big GOP priority: tax cuts. You know, there is a shocking case study in America that shows how this one trick pony plays out: The Kansas Experiment. Here is the cliff notes version: GOP governor signs bill drastically slashing income tax on businesses and individuals. It was supported by supply-sides economists and many conservative think tanks. The bill say about $231M cut in the first year, and was projected to cut nearly a billion ($934M) annually by the sixth year. The idea was the tax cuts would see businesses re-invest in their companies, create jobs and be a shot of adrenaline to the state's economy.

So, what happened? By 2017, Kansas saw its credit rating slashed, it nearly defaulted on loan payments, and it was forced to dig into its reserve fund which caused it to delay critical infrastructure projects and deep cuts to Medicade and the state's education system. Kansas, shockingly, was lagging behind the economies of every state is bordered, and the job creation goals were never met. Eventually, the state repealed the tax cuts.

Now, here is the interesting thing....despite nearly everyone calling this a failure (which it sure as fuck was), Trump included many of its concepts in his 2017 tax cut bill, which helped to send the federal deficit even higher. So, basically, the GOP pushes a failed tax plan all the time, but it just ends up fucking the overall economy. I mean, yeah, it's good for high net-networth individuals, but the middle and lower class get crushed.
 

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MTG is not the fringe. She is mainstream. Her and Madison Crawford and Lauren Boebert. They are the ones steering the ship. If you don't think so, look at the apparent power Trump still commands. Kevin McCarthy is lying to people straight up that he was demanding Trump resign after Jan. 6th.

Referring to an early post, let's look at the big GOP priority: tax cuts. You know, there is a shocking case study in America that shows how this one trick pony plays out: The Kansas Experiment. Here is the cliff notes version: GOP governor signs bill drastically slashing income tax on businesses and individuals. It was supported by supply-sides economists and many conservative think tanks. The bill say about $231M cut in the first year, and was projected to cut nearly a billion ($934M) annually by the sixth year. The idea was the tax cuts would see businesses re-invest in their companies, create jobs and be a shot of adrenaline to the state's economy.

So, what happened? By 2017, Kansas saw its credit rating slashed, it nearly defaulted on loan payments, and it was forced to dig into its reserve fund which caused it to delay critical infrastructure projects and deep cuts to Medicade and the state's education system. Kansas, shockingly, was lagging behind the economies of every state is bordered, and the job creation goals were never met. Eventually, the state repealed the tax cuts.

Now, here is the interesting thing....despite nearly everyone calling this a failure (which it sure as fuck was), Trump included many of its concepts in his 2017 tax cut bill, which helped to send the federal deficit even higher. So, basically, the GOP pushes a failed tax plan all the time, but it just ends up fucking the overall economy. I mean, yeah, it's good for high net-networth individuals, but the middle and lower class get crushed.
Perhaps Kansas' tax cuts didn't help them find prosperity. Government spending also doesn't guarantee prosperity.

The Kansas example is kind of a yawner relative to Illinois and other large Blue States. Illinois is in trouble and raising taxes has not helped the situation. Illinois is also four times larger than Kansas. Kansas can recalibrate their tax situation. Illinois has no way out of their mess.

Again, you are talking to a group that is generally well-informed and doesn't accept overly-simplistic examples.

PS- I'm fairly well engaged in U.S. politics and I don't even know who the other two Congresspersons are. If you say they are steering the Republican ship, it must be rather clandestine. So clandestine, these two are being hidden away from major House leadership positions. It is clearly a very clever Republican maneuver to hide these two's control over the Republican caucus.
 
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Perhaps Kansas' tax cuts didn't help them find prosperity. Government spending also doesn't guarantee prosperity.

The Kansas example is kind of a yawner relative to Illinois and other large Blue States. Illinois is in trouble and raising taxes has not helped the situation. Illinois is also four times larger than Kansas. Kansas can recalibrate their tax situation. Illinois has no way out of their mess.

Again, you are talking to a group that is generally well-informed and doesn't accept overly-simplistic examples.

PS- I'm fairly well engaged in U.S. politics and I don't even know who the other two Congresspersons are. If you say they are steering the Republican ship, it must be rather clandestine. So clandestine, these two are being hidden away from major House leadership positions. It is clearly a very clever Republican maneuver to hide these two's control over the Republican caucus.
Someone who claims to be engaged in US politics and doesn't know Crawford or Boebert is....well...shocking.

As for Illinois, it's striking to me that just last week the state saw Moody's boost its debt rating for the second time in a year. That doesn't sound like a state having financial troubles or may not be able to pay its obligations.


We could spend all day looking at the financial situation of each state, or their rankings on things like education, healthcare and literacy. It may not shock you to know that most of the Democrat states have a high per capita income, better schools and healthier balance sheets...
 

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Yes Biden and him alone! With Trump the war in Ukraine would have never happened
I know I mentioned to you that I would not comment about the Ukraine Conflict. But sorry this is my only 2 cents that I will throw in the mix. Trump agrees that Crimea is a part of Russia and endorsed it during his reign. So in my opinion if he won the 2020 elections, then he would have stepped aside and told Ukraine to defend themselves while not getting the USA involved in this conflict. The Intel Agencies have clarified that Putin had planned this annexation attempt for a couple of years. Putin expected Trump and a weakened and non-unified NATO under Trump to back off. That is why he constantly stated that Russia had no intention of invading Ukraine during the military drills along the border.
 

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I know I mentioned to you that I would not comment about the Ukraine Conflict. But sorry this is my only 2 cents that I will throw in the mix. Trump agrees that Crimea is a part of Russia and endorsed it during his reign. So in my opinion if he won the 2020 elections, then he would have stepped aside and told Ukraine to defend themselves while not getting the USA involved in this conflict. The Intel Agencies have clarified that Putin had planned this annexation attempt for a couple of years. Putin expected Trump and a weakened and non-unified NATO under Trump to back off. That is why he constantly stated that Russia had no intention of invading Ukraine during the military drills along the border.
+1, zero doubt that trump would have fed ukraine to russian dogs
 
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I know I mentioned to you that I would not comment about the Ukraine Conflict. But sorry this is my only 2 cents that I will throw in the mix. Trump agrees that Crimea is a part of Russia and endorsed it during his reign. So in my opinion if he won the 2020 elections, then he would have stepped aside and told Ukraine to defend themselves while not getting the USA involved in this conflict. The Intel Agencies have clarified that Putin had planned this annexation attempt for a couple of years. Putin expected Trump and a weakened and non-unified NATO under Trump to back off. That is why he constantly stated that Russia had no intention of invading Ukraine during the military drills along the border.
Yes my baby. You are right. Offcourse you can’t blame the actual war on Biden and yes Trump would back off and would be no sanctions and military support from the states or the world.
I know you mentioned about no commenting on Ukraine.. just like you said everybody has to right to express their opinions, so you are more than welcome to comment and even argue with me and Notty..:) as you noticed I am not as into it as I was in the beginning.
 
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Have you noticed we're in the second year of the Biden Administration and quite a few posters have to always bring up Trump when discussing the current Administration.

In any event, Trump is not on the ballot in November. If Trump runs in 2024, he would have to get through the primaries. Trump's more popular policies will be adopted by other Republican candidates who are more articulate and polished.
His name is obvsioly not on the ballot but in every state race each of the GOP candidate in the primaries or who may have the nomination cannot go 5 minutes without mentioning him so why would it be odd that he is in the news or in threads. He is the biggest issue in every race because the GOP had made support for him and repeating the big lie the biggest issue.
 

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Yes my baby. You are right. Offcourse you can’t blame the actual war on Biden and yes Trump would back off and would be no sanctions and military support from the states or the world.
I know you mentioned about no commenting on Ukraine.. just like you said everybody has to right to express their opinions, so you are more than welcome to comment and even argue with me and Notty..:) as you noticed I am not as into it as I was in the beginning.
Yes, Sweetie, even I do not comment about the Ukraine conflict. But you have every right to express your opinions. This response was just about Trump so I had to throw my two cents in. :)
 

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His name is obvsioly not on the ballot but in every state race each of the GOP candidate in the primaries or who may have the nomination cannot go 5 minutes without mentioning him so why would it be odd that he is in the news or in threads. He is the biggest issue in every race because the GOP had made support for him and repeating the big lie the biggest issue.
I think have said you thought Biden was doing a good job. I think your politics influences your view and your postings. Even though I didn't vote for Obama, he did a relatively good job in providing leadership. I don't think Biden is viewed that way. Come November there will be a referendum on Biden's leadership. Don't make no difference what you and I think and say.

I don't think Trump will be a major factor other than perhaps some primaries in already very Conservative districts.
 
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I know I mentioned to you that I would not comment about the Ukraine Conflict. But sorry this is my only 2 cents that I will throw in the mix. Trump agrees that Crimea is a part of Russia and endorsed it during his reign. So in my opinion if he won the 2020 elections, then he would have stepped aside and told Ukraine to defend themselves while not getting the USA involved in this conflict. The Intel Agencies have clarified that Putin had planned this annexation attempt for a couple of years. Putin expected Trump and a weakened and non-unified NATO under Trump to back off. That is why he constantly stated that Russia had no intention of invading Ukraine during the military drills along the border.
I'm confused. Under this scenario, why didn't Putin attack the Ukraine during the Trump years?

Yes, it probably would have been wise to stick to your initial plan not to comment on the Ukraine Conflict.
 

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+1, zero doubt that trump would have fed ukraine to russian dogs
This is quite a bit of projecting. It would appear to me the European Union has stepped up in a major way. So you seem to be giving far too much credit to the United States in the current effort to debilitate Russian aggression.
 
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I'm confused. Under this scenario, why didn't Putin attack the Ukraine during the Trump years?

Yes, it probably would have been wise to stick to your initial plan not to comment on the Ukraine Conflict.
Ask yourself the question as to why he did not do it under the long Obama tenure??

As usual you cannot comprehend that the Intel Agencies stated that he was planning this for years. Expecting a Trump victory in the 2020 Elections and Trump then giving him a smooth ride all the way.

Remember that Trump also screwed up the NATO that had no more of a leadership when he was the POTUS!!

So, think before you comment or tell us what would Trump do differently if he was the POTUS once Putin invaded Ukraine!!
 
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