Michigan Cop shoots non compliant motorist in head.

JeanGary Diablo

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Totally justified shoot, he'll be exonerated.
Dead guy played dumb and tried to flee.
He grabbed cop's Taser and resisted arrest.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

My only issue is, why was cop alone?

Meh, just another day in 'Murica.
 

Valcazar

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I'm glad you'd be able to handle every situation without the use of deadly force. You'd make a great Cop. Although, you may not live too long. You do know that criminals have no problem trying to kill Cops?

5 NYPD officers have been shot since the start of 2022, 4 in a span of just 72 hours

https://abc7ny.com/nyc-gun-violence-nypd-officers-shot-new-york-city-shootings/11498482/
Yes, it is well known that being shot is one of the lowest risks a police officer faces.
More of them die from COVID.
 

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The guy seemed to me to be either;
1. High on something and not comprehending what the cop was saying. Cop actually asked him if he spoke english.
2. Mentally challenged therefore not being able to comprehend the situation.
3. New he was caught doing something, purposely acted dumb and confused trying to deflect the cop but the cop was laser focused and wasn't going to be distracted .
Or a foreigner who only moved here 5 years ago and speaks broken English.

I wouldn't have got physical until backup came as there was another guy in the car as well. Being outnumbered with a guy who is clearly not responding and then allowing it to get physical wasn't smart but we are viewing from comfort if our couch, cop had to make decisions on the fly .
But if you get physical before backup comes, you can always shoot him when you start losing and everyone will say how it was a justified shoot.
So what's the downside of getting physical?
 

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We're not talking about Toronto cops, though. I am glad they have less of a problem with this.
The question remains whether or not people will automatically assume all shootings by cops are righteous in Toronto. (I don't know, but it certainly seems it would be considered true by most people on this board.)



LOL.

Just admit you feel cops can shoot anyone they want to at any time.
I'm not sure why you are going through these elaborate hoops to defend your position.

If a cop feels threatened, they can kill the person.
You are fine with this, apparently.
I am not.
I am fine with this, and so are the laws of Canada. Check out the Criminal Code of Canada. It's FREE!
 

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Yes, there has been a slight move in the right direction of prosecution, but as this thread shows, the bias towards authoritarianism remains strong.
I'm sure you've also seen the backlash any moves towards accountability have created, with people blaming the rise in crime on the "defund the police" slogan and the "Furgeson effect".
I read the news like most people.

The Fight for the Soul of Seattle | A KOMO News Documentary - YouTube

Mayor who dismissed lawlessness now begging for more police - YouTube
 

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I wouldn't have got physical until backup came as there was another guy in the car as well. Being outnumbered with a guy who is clearly not responding and then allowing it to get physical wasn't smart but we are viewing from comfort if our couch, cop had to make decisions on the fly.
Of course, for the most part, the only events reported in the news are the ones that end in death or obvious signs of Police brutality. I don't have the numbers, but you can bet in a country with 330 million people, there's probably thousands of traffic stops and arrests on a daily basis that are performed without a hitch.
 

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Or a foreigner who only moved here 5 years ago and speaks broken English.



But if you get physical before backup comes, you can always shoot him when you start losing and everyone will say how it was a justified shoot.
So what's the downside of getting physical?

So what's the downside of getting physical?

A question you wouldn't ask if you've ever been in a fight.

You've lead a cushy life. You're lucky.
 

Valcazar

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Of course, for the most part, the only events reported in the news are the ones that end in death or obvious signs of Police brutality. I don't have the numbers, but you can bet in a country with 330 million people, there's probably thousands of traffic stops and arrests on a daily basis that are performed without a hitch.
There are.
And there are a bunch that end in violence that isn't reported.

What is the stat, 10% of police killings start with a traffic stop?
It's the most common type of interaction with police (it gives the police a chance to make money and to make searches they would otherwise be constitutionally not allowed to do).

There's just no reason for them to be conducted as often as they are and to be used as a means of escalation by police as often as they are.
 

Valcazar

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I am fine with this, and so are the laws of Canada. Check out the Criminal Code of Canada. It's FREE!
I know what the law is.
Where we disagree is what is a reasonable fear for safety.
I'd like a safer country, both here and in the US, where we have fewer cops and give them less leeway to use force however they like.
But then I've never been very pro-authoritarianism.
 

Valcazar

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So what's the downside of getting physical?

A question you wouldn't ask if you've ever been in a fight.

You've lead a cushy life. You're lucky.
And you've never encountered hyperbole.

Also, if you don't think cops escalate violence disproportionately because they know the advantages they have in doing so, then you've never studied cops.
 

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I've been to the U.S. many times and never had any issues with American cops. Can't say the say for some (not all) American civilians.
 
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The guy seemed to me to be either;
1. High on something and not comprehending what the cop was saying. Cop actually asked him if he spoke english.
2. Mentally challenged therefore not being able to comprehend the situation.
3. New he was caught doing something, purposely acted dumb and confused trying to deflect the cop but the cop was laser focused and wasn't going to be distracted .

In situation 1 or 3, the cop is reasonable to feel his life is at stake once things got physical.
In situation 2 then the whole thing is sad but how does the cop know?

I wouldn't have got physical until backup came as there was another guy in the car as well. Being outnumbered with a guy who is clearly not responding and then allowing it to get physical wasn't smart but we are viewing from comfort if our couch, cop had to make decisions on the fly .
Yep.

Situation #3: The perp was driving with a “revoked license” and plates that don’t match the vehicle. That’s FACT.

When the cop asked for his license, he faked it for a bit then foolishly decided to run.

So he willfully chose to be non-compliant to the point of being defiant. He was resisting and physically fighting the cop, going for his taser! That’s FACT.

Resulting in the tragic loss of his life.

Yet all these omniscient know-it-alls and armchair quarterbacks think they know exactly how it all should have gone down. So many law enforcement experts on TERB lol.

I just hope the vast left-wing media, the usual politicians, BLM, Al Sharpton, Ben Crump and teams of lawyers don’t make this guy out to be a martyr, nor demonize the cop for defending his own life.
 
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Cop made a lawful stop for an arrestable offence. None of the cop's actions were unethical, unprofessional or legally wrong with the cop's conduct. Just because you find if offensive doesn't mean the cop did anything wrong.
I agree. I've already said that he won't be charged with anything. That doesn't change the fact that his actions an example of what happens when poorly trained cops ignore proper technique, an unnecessary death.
 

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“Beau of The Fifth Column” trained cops? And has a “huge security background”?

LOL not likely.
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Yes, I would describe him as an anarchist though very opposed to the accelerationist type. He's protested a bunch of things and yes, he went to jail for trying to help illegal immigrants. And sorry but based on his analysis of the Ukraine stuff, it sure as hell seems he has both the knowledge and the connections in military sciences.


But I see you attack the speaker and have absolutely nothing to say about his analysis.
 
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basketcase

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I'm glad you'd be able to handle every situation without the use of deadly force. You'd make a great Cop. Although, you may not live too long. You do know that criminals have no problem trying to kill Cops?

5 NYPD officers have been shot since the start of 2022, 4 in a span of just 72 hours

https://abc7ny.com/nyc-gun-violence-nypd-officers-shot-new-york-city-shootings/11498482/
Is the argument supposed to be that some cops face real threats in heir work so it's okay for this cop to initiate the use of force and kill a guy over a traffic stop?
 

GameBoy27

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Is the argument supposed to be that some cops face real threats in heir work so it's okay for this cop to initiate the use of force and kill a guy over a traffic stop?
Did you watch the video? You think it was the Cop who initiated the use of force. He wasn't killed because of a traffic stop. He was killed because he was resisting arrest and trying to gain control of the officer's Taser. Had he gotten free and his hands on the Taser, he could've easily grabbed the Cops gun and shot him.

You can argue whether the Cop should've taken a different approach in dealing with the suspect. But I'll bet if you reviewed video of every person that Cop has ever pulled over, he likely didn't do anything differently. Only this time, for whatever reason, the suspect resisted and tried to gain control of his Taser. It's unfortunate that the guy's dead, but you're messing with fire when you try to overpower a Cop and take control of their weapon. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
 
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Movie depiction of a real event of a man being viciously attacked. Unfortunately for the attacker, the victim of the attack was an undercover police officer and was armed.
 

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Did you watch the video? You think it was the Cop who initiated the use of force....
Yes. The cop grabs the guy when the guy walks away (likely to get his licence from the other side of the car as the cop asked). Or in your video did the guy grab the cop first?
 

GameBoy27

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Yes. The cop grabs the guy when the guy walks away (likely to get his licence from the other side of the car as the cop asked). Or in your video did the guy grab the cop first?
The Cop says, no, no, no, stop, put your hands over your head. Suspect refuses, struggles with the Cop and tries to flee. Then the situation escalates from there. There's a reason Cops don't want you to walk around to the other side of the car. It's the US and many people keep weapons in their glove boxes. Cop was trying to protect himself.

Life lesson #1: When a Cop tells you to do something, you do it. Don't resist, try to escape, engage in a struggle and try to gain possession of their Taser. Or you just might get hurt.
 
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