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I think the Freedom Convoy may have already accomplished something…

The Oracle

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On the slopes of Mount Parnassus, Greece
Would you feel proud if you were driving and got caught in the jam? Imagine, you were hoping to find a gas station cause you really had to go and boom, into a useless dumbass fringe protest by a radical group of nitwits and now you are stuck in your car squeezing (no pun intended) your butt cheeks together trying to hold the massive dump brewing.
Nothing to worry about....They're just the fringe minority you know.
 
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JohnLarue

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serious question, who exactly should he have had dialogue with?

Trucker convoy organizers provide update on when protests will end, status of GoFundMe donations - YouTube
There are spokespersons, the lady claims some native heritage, the dude is a police officer and they have a lawyer
All are quite rational and well spoken
They are all far more sincere than the plastic moron Justin has ever been

The organizers have a racist history and have advocated for Trudeau’s overthrow and some distant affiliation with calls for his execution. So they’re out.
Yeah ok, Goodluck verifying the source of that rumor.
They called for his resignation
Does little Justin think they will whack him in front of the TV cameras?

If he is too scared to meet with Canadians he should not pretend to be their Prime Minister .


Not to mention they are not connected to the trucking industry so even if he did agree to hear them out, they have no real idea how any of this affects truckers and cannot provide any alternative compromise solution
That is the truckers decision not yours
Ask a trucker there if the organizers represent them

Justin's election win was with far less than half he popular vote and curse of all curse he speaks for the govt

The bigger question is why he does not represent them
HE WORKS FOR THEM

and the organizers may not want to speak with a moron

The trucking industry and associations want nothing to do with this protest, so they were out.
That is irrelevant

who exactly does that leave to represent the truckers to express their concerns? I am serious, I have yet to hear any protest supporters nominate a legitimate spokesperson who he should have dialogue with.

Trucker convoy organizers provide update on when protests will end, status of GoFundMe donations - YouTube
There are spokespersons, the lady claims some native heritage, the dude is a police officer and they have a lawyer

whether anyone likes it or not, he’s leader of a major country and as such is too busy to go there and host a Q&A. If he simply gives a supportive speech, that’s not 2-way dialogue.
He takes 70+ days off a year and has made himself available for thousands of self-serving photo ops, he can make time for some very upset citizens

There is no legitimate representation of the truckers and that is what I and many others have pointed out so many times. That is the fault of the protester side, not our Prime Minister
He created the mess, his character and leadership are in question... real leaders do not hide from issues
Or he could everyone a big favor and resign

BTW Justin Trudeau is an exceptionally stupid man and was never qualified for the job
everything he touches turns to shit
 
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did you even read my post that you responded to? Giving up your final days to raise millions of dollars, not to mention awareness for cancer research that will help others not in time to save yourself…… if that’s not sacrifice then I am curious as to what you think is.




that You say that while calling the protests the FREEDOM Convoy is right out of a comedy skit.
yes, I did read your post and I replied to a similar one right above my reply to you. He did not give up his final days, he did what he wanted to. Did Walter White in Breaking Bad did it for his family or for himself?

And I called it "Freedom Convoy" because it is its official name. I also call "Liberal party" Liberal and not Socialist or Communist because it is its official name. I prefer to use official names, not big words or make-up names.
 

fall

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Terry sacrificed his own soul just to give an example to the entire world about helping others and never losing hope in life. The guy ran 5373kms on one leg giving everything he had left in him, and if you do not call that a sacrifice then i don't know what is.
Again folks, this is why an education is so important.
No, it is not a sacrifice. He did it for himself as much as for the cause. Do you think he would prefer to be unknown cancer victim instead of a National hero? His run was a hard work, not a sacrifice. Do not diminish the meaning of word "sacrifice". A healthy person who dies rescuing a child from going down the waterfall makes a sacrifice. A scientists who chooses his work over personal life and whose discovery saves millions of life does not make a sacrifice. Do not dilute the meaning of sacrifice.
 

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They don't want dialogue, they want Trudeau's head. Only a matter of time before the Emergencies Act and the RCMP is called in.
Exactly.... they are provoking the authorities to crack down and drag them out, so they can claim that their rights were snuffed out by jackbooted government thugs, in the hopes that more public opinion will sway their way.
 

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No, it is not a sacrifice. He did it for himself as much as for the cause. Do you think he would prefer to be unknown cancer victim instead of a National hero? His run was a hard work, not a sacrifice. Do not diminish the meaning of word "sacrifice". A healthy person who dies rescuing a child from going down the waterfall makes a sacrifice. A scientists who chooses his work over personal life and whose discovery saves millions of life does not make a sacrifice. Do not dilute the meaning of sacrifice.
so.... he was a selfish jerk? Wow, ain't you special!
 
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silentkisser

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A good start would have been to cancel the vaccine mandate for truckers right after the movement starts before they arrive to Ottawa. Such mandate has nothing to do with public health recommendations since trackers spent almost all day in isolation and they are least likely to transmit the virus. Then rethink testing and vaccination requirements at U.S. land border: they have nothing to do with public heath since COVID statistics in northern U.S. states is similar to Canada. Then for airline travel (including domestic): either testing or vaccination would be enough. You see, lots of the mandates are useless and have nothing to do with health recommendations. Most of the time COVID test instead of vaccination will work. Most of vaccine requirements are just to force people to take the vaccine. People are not stupid and they can see it. Having many useless unreasonable restrictions get people angry. Saying "I am right and you are wrong" is not the way to resolve the conflict especially when it is clear that there are lots of things the government does wrong. Admit mistakes and correct them ASAP - this is the way to govern a free nation.
Or, the way you are describing it is to cater to the whims of a minority of people. You think the will of the many should be outweighed by the few? That doesn't sound like a free nation, now does it?

And, again, even if Canada decided to waive the vaccine mandate for truckers, the US has their own. So....how would anything change for them? Also, do you support vaccination requirements for air travel? Because it sort of says you do. Rapid tests are not super accurate, so you could get a lot of false positives and negatives. So, you basically are allowing the disease to spread.

Finally, would you expect the government to cave whenever there are protests? I mean, that's literally what you're saying. This group is calling for the removal of the elected branch of government to be replaced by them, the senate and the GG. That's is certainly not something a free nation would do.
 
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No, it is not a sacrifice. He did it for himself as much as for the cause. Do you think he would prefer to be unknown cancer victim instead of a National hero? His run was a hard work, not a sacrifice. Do not diminish the meaning of word "sacrifice". A healthy person who dies rescuing a child from going down the waterfall makes a sacrifice. A scientists who chooses his work over personal life and whose discovery saves millions of life does not make a sacrifice. Do not dilute the meaning of sacrifice.
You've chosen such a bizarre fight in disputing whether or not Terry Fox made a sacrifice. Beyond the fact that you clearly have no concept of what true sacrifice is, you are disparaging Terry Fox even though odds are you and everyone else in Canada (if not the world) have had loved ones benefit from his sacrifice. You may one day benefit directly from it. You believe he gave up his remaining time and may have even shortened it by the physical toll so that he could enjoy the fame of becoming a "national hero"? If that's what you are suggesting, it is without a doubt the dumbest post I have ever read on this forum and that is a very high bar to leap over.
Your scientist analogy I agree with, it is a career maybe even a calling, but I wouldn't call it a "sacrifice". I even agree with someone dying to rescue a child falling into a waterfall, though one could argue that it is an instinctive reaction, would they have put their life in jeopardy if there had been time to think about the consequences? I would not suggest that but the argument could be made.
Terry Fox knew he was dying. Terry Fox knew whatever came of his efforts would be of no help to himself. His run was to help me, to help you and to help everyone affected directly or indirectly by cancer.
Not you nor I nor anyone else on terb will ever come close to making the sacrifice he made. Few in the world will. Few in history will. Play guardian of the dictionary on another subject because you look foolish doing so when it comes to Terry Fox and you insult his legacy by doing so, especially given you do so under the umbrella of a protest largely centred around the denial of medical science for which Fox's heroic efforts have improved the lives of so many around the world.
This would be disgusting for any reason but to do so as part of your support for this cause is spitting on his legacy that you will never come close to matching.
 

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You've chosen such a bizarre fight in disputing whether or not Terry Fox made a sacrifice. Beyond the fact that you clearly have no concept of what true sacrifice is, you are disparaging Terry Fox even though odds are you and everyone else in Canada (if not the world) have had loved ones benefit from his sacrifice. You may one day benefit directly from it. You believe he gave up his remaining time and may have even shortened it by the physical toll so that he could enjoy the fame of becoming a "national hero"? If that's what you are suggesting, it is without a doubt the dumbest post I have ever read on this forum and that is a very high bar to leap over.
Your scientist analogy I agree with, it is a career maybe even a calling, but I wouldn't call it a "sacrifice". I even agree with someone dying to rescue a child falling into a waterfall, though one could argue that it is an instinctive reaction, would they have put their life in jeopardy if there had been time to think about the consequences? I would not suggest that but the argument could be made.
Terry Fox knew he was dying. Terry Fox knew whatever came of his efforts would be of no help to himself. His run was to help me, to help you and to help everyone affected directly or indirectly by cancer.
Not you nor I nor anyone else on terb will ever come close to making the sacrifice he made. Few in the world will. Few in history will. Play guardian of the dictionary on another subject because you look foolish doing so when it comes to Terry Fox and you insult his legacy by doing so, especially given you do so under the umbrella of a protest largely centred around the denial of medical science for which Fox's heroic efforts have improved the lives of so many around the world.
This would be disgusting for any reason but to do so as part of your support for this cause is spitting on his legacy that you will never come close to matching.
I wonder if this inability to understand what 'sacrifice' means is one of the reasons why we see the attitudes in the convoy, which seems to be filled just with selfish pricks.
 
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Yeah, I don't think most intelligent people listen or care about what Tucker Carlson says. He spreads disinformation and uses racist dogwhistles to anger the rubes. For every one thing he says that is truthful and without partisan spin, he says about 1,000 lies and falsehoods.
LOL! You didn't watch it- not a question.
 
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