Amnesty International: Israel Apartheid

[basketcase]

Three times you made this accusation over the last day.
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That's because you have repeatedly done it. Just because you ran away from those threads doesn't mean they disappeared.
If you think Amnesty is credible then you need to stop arguing against their views when they explicitly said being a Jew in the West Bank or a Settler does not mean you lose civilian protections no matter how much you want to apply collective punishment on Jews because some small number do commit acts of violence.

 

[basketcase]

No, Canada and the US are not apartheid.
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Right. Neither is Israel. Canada's treatment of our First Nations is a significant issue. It isn't apartheid though and it is extremely lazy to try and compare such different situations. One major difference between Canada's treatment of First Nations and the Israeli Palestinian conflict is there is essentially zero support among the First nations for using violence or forcing the 'colonizers' out. There has been no open conflict between Canada's government and indigenous people for a couple hundred years.

Words have meaning and Amnesty UK's claims in this report are a severe double standard. Even though China has actual concentration camps for Uyghurs and has had a million disappear, they did not accuse China of being Apartheid. Go ahead and accuse Israel of systemic racism; I'd agree. But the fact that this is a conflict where both sides have been engaged in open warfare for a hundred years makes it ridiculous to make the Apartheid comparison.

Of cours eyou don;t care about any of that as long as you can scroll through tweets screaming about Israel.

It is also western elitism to demand Israel force the Palestinians into a solution the Palestinians detest and as Germany, the UK, and US have said about this report, it in no way helps to create peace. Even if you got your dream and there were severe sanctions against Israel, that does nothing to convince the armed Palestinian groups to accept living peacefully alongside Jews.

 

[Frankfooter]

That's because you have repeatedly done it. Just because you ran away from those threads doesn't mean they disappeared.
If you think Amnesty is credible then you need to stop arguing against their views when they explicitly said being a Jew in the West Bank or a Settler does not mean you lose civilian protections no matter how much you want to apply collective punishment on Jews because some small number do commit acts of violence.

Again, I haven't argued against their views.

And now that you're backing Amnesty and claiming I'm the one that doesn't support them, I assume you back them in calls for sanctions and Israel honouring the right of return and allowing the refugees back into Israel/Palestine.

Just as your support of Amnesty must also mean you agree that Israel is apartheid.
Otherwise, why you be trying to claim I don't back them as much as you do?

 

[Frankfooter]

Right. Neither is Israel. Canada's treatment of our First Nations is a significant issue.

So Is Israel's treatment of Palestinians. Amnesty goes to great length to detail this and the news bears them out.

Palestinians call for probe into Israeli massacres in Tantura

At least 200 Palestinians were killed by Zionist gangs in the village of Tantura, which was razed in 1948.

www.aljazeera.com

As you just said:

How many of these unmarked graves would have to be tree roots for the abuse at residential schools to become unimportant?

Are you going to argue that Palestinian's don't count like Canadian Indigenous?

It isn't apartheid though and it is extremely lazy to try and compare such different situations. One major difference between Canada's treatment of First Nations and the Israeli Palestinian conflict is there is essentially zero support among the First nations for using violence or forcing the 'colonizers' out. There has been no open conflict between Canada's government and indigenous people for a couple hundred years.

Words have meaning and Amnesty UK's claims in this report are a severe double standard. Even though China has actual concentration camps for Uyghurs and has had a million disappear, they did not accuse China of being Apartheid. Go ahead and accuse Israel of systemic racism; I'd agree. But the fact that this is a conflict where both sides have been engaged in open warfare for a hundred years makes it ridiculous to make the Apartheid comparison.

Of cours eyou don;t care about any of that as long as you can scroll through tweets screaming about Israel.

It is also western elitism to demand Israel force the Palestinians into a solution the Palestinians detest and as Germany, the UK, and US have said about this report, it in no way helps to create peace. Even if you got your dream and there were severe sanctions against Israel, that does nothing to convince the armed Palestinian groups to accept living peacefully alongside Jews.

Israel is apartheid.
Its beyond question.
Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem., the UN, Yesh Din.

45% of those under Israeli rule say its apartheid.
25% of US Jews.

Israeli apartheid and the one-state solution – eight takes

Eight takes on why Amnesty's 'apartheid' report speaks of a shifting paradigm from a two-state to a one-state reality.

www.jpost.com

 

[y2kmark]

But-but-but-but-but. Run it through a muffler or something...

 

[Frankfooter]

But-but-but-but-but. Run it through a muffler or something...

A muffler?

 

[basketcase]

So Is Israel's treatment of Palestinians. ...

Never said it wasn't a problem but it isn't Apartheid. I know you don't take the time to read anything you think may disagree with you but that's my exact point.

If I were to look at countries that are closer to the actual definition of Apartheid, I think China running concentration camps for the Uyghur and their actions in Tibet come close.



p.s. Israel did the exact opposite of Canada's Residential schools. They purposely allowed Arab citizens to set up schools run in Arabic and discussing Arab culture and gave them the choice of either attending them or the mainstream system.

 

[Frankfooter]

Never said it wasn't a problem but it isn't Apartheid. I know you don't take the time to read anything you think may disagree with you but that's my exact point.

its too late for denial.
Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem, UN, the Israeli people, Israeli leaders, American Jews....

The file is on the desk of the ICC.
The UN will vote in March to label Israel apartheid and given the reports, that is the correct decision.

So what are you going to do?
Continue the South African denial, route?
Claim the entire world is antisemitic for not supporting apartheid?

What we all know is that you won't help fix the problem.
So its up to the international community to use sanctions to force Israel to end apartheid.

 

[Frankfooter]

i can always bring up posts of yours citing anti-semitic sources, sources linked to terrorists etc

and you are a racists when you claim that i a black man must support the BLM organization(Which is funded abd controlled white liberals)



here franky sites a sourse that has links to white supremacists


New report highlights ties between IfNotNow and anti-Semitic pro-Palestinian group | Toronto Escorts Review Board Forum | Terb

using an anti-semitic trope claiming jews are working against the government

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/new-report-highlights-ties-between-ifnotnow-and-anti-semitic-pro-palestinian-group.772530/post-7384201

more franky's anti-jewish hate is on display in this thread


Report: 93% of Polled Arab Residents of Jerusalem Prefer Israeli Rule to Palestinian Authority | Toronto Escorts Review Board Forum | Terb

Move to the correct thread.
Feel free to accuse me of racism while you defend apartheid and attack BLM.
Just keep it to the Israel threads.

I stand against racism and will gladly protest with BLM and against apartheid.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1488495259575365639

 

[Frankfooter]

i don't take orders from you

I would never give you an order.

Just information to help combat racism.

 

[canada-man]

I would never give you an order.

Just information to help combat racism.

not interested in your recycled anti-semitic propaganda

 

[Frankfooter]

not interested in your recycled anti-semitic propaganda

Those are brand new. A letter signed by 13 Israeli human rights organizations in support of Amnesty International.
Why would you defend apartheid?

Why would you call Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and B'tselem 'antisemitic'?

 

[basketcase]

its too late for denial.
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???

Wow, this report has really made you go off the deep end.

There is systemic racism in Israel but it does not meet the definition of apartheid and these attempts to force Israeli into unilateral action will only result in things being imposed on Palestinians against their will and which will therefore not result in peaceful coexistence. The only way to achieve peace is to push BOTH SIDES to negotiate something that they want instead of having western elitists try and impose their will on people who hate it.

And there is an article in the news today showing actual Apartheid laws.

Lured by cheap prices and luxury digs, Arab Israelis are snapping up West Bank homes

From Nablus to Jericho to Rawabi, where units cost a fraction of what they would in Israel, Arabs are leaping at the chance for investment properties, or a dream vacation home

www.timesofisrael.com

A PA law that allows Arab Israelis to buy land and live in the PA controlled parts of the West Bank but explicitly makes it a capitol offence to sell land to Jewish Israelis or Jews in general explicitly fits the definition of apartheid.

 

[Frankfooter]

There is systemic racism in Israel but it does not meet the definition of apartheid and these attempts to force Israeli into unilateral action will only result in things being imposed on Palestinians against their will

Wrong on both counts.

Here is the BDS statement on the Amnesty report.
Israel is apartheid and the BDS movement is a Palestinian, non-violent movement to end apartheid through sanctions.
Same way apartheid was ended in South Africa.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1490446459652743173

 

[canada-man]

Those are brand new. A letter signed by 13 Israeli human rights organizations in support of Amnesty International.
Why would you defend apartheid?

Why would you call Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and B'tselem 'antisemitic'?

B’Tselem – Less Reliability and Credibility, More Politics (jcpa.org)

yes most of your sources are anti-semitic including jewishvoiceforpeace that have ties to white supremacists and many others you like to read have links to a hamas

 

[canada-man]

Those are brand new. A letter signed by 13 Israeli human rights organizations in support of Amnesty International.
Why would you defend apartheid?

Why would you call Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and B'tselem 'antisemitic'?

and you are back on my ignore list. i put anti-semitic posters like you on that list

 

[Frankfooter]

B’Tselem – Less Reliability and Credibility, More Politics (jcpa.org)

yes most of your sources are anti-semitic including jewishvoiceforpeace that have ties to white supremacists and many others you like to read have links to a hamas

Hmm, you quote an Israeli government site that criticizes an Israeli human rights organization.

Then you say https://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/ are white supremacists or have ties to them.
I'm sure you'll say https://www.ifnotnowmovement.org/ are 'terrorists'?
That's a bit like Israel declaring Defence for Children International to be 'terrorists'.

What about Independent Jewish Voices Canada, who are you going to slander them with?

Take Action! Canada Must Acknowledge & Sanction Israeli Apartheid

On February 1st, Amnesty International launched a major report which found that Israel is committing the crime against humanity of apartheid, as defined by international law. Amnesty is the third major human rights organization to issue a report coming to this conclusion in just over a year. The

www.ijvcanada.org

You don't see what you're doing, do you?

 

[Frankfooter]

I honestly believe Franky believes anything he posts, as long as it aligns with his opinions...e.g. he believes Israel is an Apartheid state because some social media columnists he aligns with says so...

Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem, UN and Yesh Din are not 'social media columnists'.

Israel's apartheid against Palestinians

Palestinians are systematically subjected to home demolitions and forced evictions, and live in constant fear of losing their homes. For more than 73 years, Israel has been forcibly displacing entire Palestinian communities. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians’ homes have been demolished...

www.amnesty.org

 

[basketcase]

Wrong on both counts.

Here is the BDS statement ...

Here is Canada's statement on BDS

Trudeau blasts BDS movement as anti-Semitic

Canadian premier says boycott group targets Jewish students, demonizes Israel; some things 'aren't acceptable, not because of foreign policy, but because of Canadian values'

www.timesofisrael.com

As I said before, your stated desire is to force Israel to implement a unilateral plan on Palestinians who don't want what you want. Forcing Palestinians to become Israeli will not cause the armed Palestinian factions to suddenly agree to live peacefully alongside Jews.

If you were truly interested in rights and peace, you would be backing things like this. Instead of recognizing what both sides need to do, you just make excuses and whine that Israel still exists.

Israeli, Palestinian public figures propose two-state confederation plan

Former justice minister Yossi Beilin and Hiba Husseini, a former legal adviser to the Palestinian negotiating team, to present outline to UN and US officials

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[Frankfooter]

Here is Canada's statement on BDS

That's Trudeau's views 3 years ago, before the reports from Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem and Yesh Din came out.
Ask him today, after all, he said this in your article.
It doesn’t mean that you can’t criticize decisions by the State of Israel,

As I said before, your stated desire is to force Israel to implement a unilateral plan on Palestinians who don't want what you want. Forcing Palestinians to become Israeli will not cause the armed Palestinian factions to suddenly agree to live peacefully alongside Jews.

I back BDS, the Palestinian movement to end apartheid through sanctions and boycotts.
Don't tell me that's not what Palestinians want.
You don't speak for them, you speak for the apartheid occupying force.

If you were truly interested in rights and peace, you would be backing things like this. Instead of recognizing what both sides need to do, you just make excuses and whine that Israel still exists.

Israeli, Palestinian public figures propose two-state confederation plan

Former justice minister Yossi Beilin and Hiba Husseini, a former legal adviser to the Palestinian negotiating team, to present outline to UN and US officials

www.timesofisrael.com

Hey, if this happens and both sides agree then I'm all for it.
You better hope it happens this month because in March the UN will reveal its report on apartheid and the UN will vote.

You've had 50 years and the anti-apartheid movement is well on its way now.

Is This Israel’s South Africa Moment?

As Amnesty International issues a landmark report on Israeli apartheid, it’s time for Americans to demand accountability, not complicity, from their government.

www.thenation.com