Reverie

Housing, Food and now Gas prices are going out of control.

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Tank bottom: topping up a depleted world could push oil toward $100

Feb 1 (Reuters) - Stocks of oil in some of the world's top economies have fallen to their lowest levels in almost a decade and a drive to refill them could nudge oil toward $100 a barrel.

Oil has rallied from a pandemic low of around $16 to nearly $92 on Friday as the global economy recovers from the pandemic and the Omicron variant of the coronavirus has little impact. However, just when buyers will buck high prices to refill depleted storage is disputed by banks and analysts.

Even top energy watchdog the International Energy Agency (IEA) says the ups and downs of the pandemic are clouding the ability to model a trend.

Global jitters over a possible Russian invasion of Ukraine and a slew of supply shocks have addled the market and keep pushing oil up, exacerbating inflation and threatening the world's economic recovery.

"Tank bottoms are in sight across crude and products worldwide already," research consultancy Energy Aspects said.

Storage tanks are extremely low and major producers in the OPEC+ alliance are struggling to pump enough to meet pledged production targets, it added. read more

"There is a growing acceptance that the oil market has few, if any, shock absorbers left."

Storage levels in OECD countries plumbed seven-year lows in November and were on track to fall more in December, according to the IEA.

Europe and especially the Asia-Pacific countries, led by Japan and South Korea, were the most depleted of the prosperous bloc of countries.

Stocks ballooned during pandemic lockdowns to a record peak in July 2020 of 3.2 billion barrels but have since hit 2.8 billion, the IEA says.

Shoots of recovery could be starting in the United States, where crude stockpiles have built back up in the last two weeks having hit 413.3 million barrels in early January, the lowest since October 2018, according to data from the Energy Information Administration.

U.S. storage could get a boost as already purchased oil gets stored up, according to Robert Yawger, director of Energy Futures at Mizuho Securities USA.

"The refinery utilization rate tends to slide at this time of year ... Less crude oil will run through the refinery, and those unused barrels will get stuffed in storage."

At the same time, global oil storage worldwide is on track to rise slightly in January, tracking firm Kpler found.

Morgan Stanley predicts inventories will slide yet further in 2022 and Goldman Sachs sees storage in developing countries hitting their lowest since the turn of the century.

Consultancy FGE, however, forecasts stocks starting to build in coming weeks.

Even if storage only pulls up slightly above current multi-year lows, that demand will guarantee a boost to oil prices, Barclays said.

"We do expect a surplus this year ... inventories are likely to remain depressed, which should keep prices supported."

 

Ginomore

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Easy because people lie @Ginomore says so.. So it must be true! People will believe anything they read or see on TV, even if it's fiction because they are too lazy to do their own research.

They think oil production can shut down by turning off a tap by the government not the actual producers, really think about it for 1 minute. What oil producer will allow the government to shut them down in just a few months or even 2 yrs? Idiots.
Biden’s first week in office.
Stopped all new drilling on federal land.
Banned fracking.
Cancelled keystone pipeline.
Winding back fossil fuel subsidies.
Increasing the cost of carbon.
Do you really believe the US oil producers have more power than the POTUS?
 

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Hold on a second, there. Our own government has done quite a bit to choke the energy sector AND they are all for increasing fuel prices as one of the tools to combat the climate change by reducing consumption through higher prices. And rightfully so, they will take it up the ass from the voters.
Climate change is going to get worse with rising gas prices. Sooner or later
people will have to burn more coal to bring down energy cost. On top of
inflation Biden is going to beat Trump the climate change denier in the record
of GHG emission level.

 

Mr.lover

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Biden’s first week in office.
Stopped all new drilling on federal land.
Banned fracking.
Cancelled keystone pipeline.
Winding back fossil fuel subsidies.
Increasing the cost of carbon.
Do you really believe the US oil producers have more power than the POTUS?
All in 1 week? Really? Immediately? Just like that it all stopped. Yep he must be God then... Idiot.
 

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If there is anything that liberal and conservative politicians can agree on - it is taxing the middle class.
We would be paying ~ $0.92 if it was not for provincial & federal taxes. And before you run to your political corners - over the last 10 years were have seen both level of governments switch parties and gas tax has always remained.
Well, the problem isn't so much the tax as it is government spending. We can reduce or outright eliminate taxes on fuel, and it just puts our government fiscal situation in even more dire straits.

I'm 100% a proponent of lower taxes. However, most of my fellow proponents seem to miss the entire equation. Taxes are meant to pay for committed obligations that our idiot governments agreed to. You have to remove the obligation, before you remove/reduce the tax, else we go into greater debt. It also means we are printing more money, which -- SHOCKER -- raises inflation! Gee, wonder who could have seen that coming.
 

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All in 1 week? Really? Immediately? Just like that it all stopped. Yep he must be God then... Idiot.
He signed the executive orders in the first week which caused fuel prices to slowly increase to where they are now.
Do some research you moron.
 
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That sounds kinda tough to do in just a few months. How did he decrease production that quickly?
He just made it way more difficult to increase production. Producers were first attacked by the Saudis in 2017-2018. They flooded the market with oil, the price dropped to $50-60 and the frackers started to suffer. Then COVID hit and demand tanked. Oil futures at one point were in the negative range and you had to pay to get someone to buy your oil.

Bankers stopped loaning money to producers and are still reluctant to credit any money even at $80 oil. A significant number of investment funds have committed to stop investing in dirty oil. (See how long that lasts)

Biden fucked US oil more by canceling keystone and making new development difficult.
Trudeau did the same to Canadian producers when he was elected, its a miracle the Trans mountain expansion ever got done (maybe because its named “Trans”)

It took a while to kill supply. It wasn’t just one thing. To get it back will take years.

In the meantime if you’re smart any investment in Canadian oil and gas will double your money in 6 months.
Suncor, crescent point, whitecap, cardinal energy these solid companies have already made huge comebacks.
 
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He signed the executive orders in the first week which caused fuel prices to slowly increase to where they are now.
Do some research you moron.
I did my research moron but your post lack context like all right wingers.

I invested in dirty oil when everyone was bailing now I have more than doubled my money just on CPG and other big names. That's how I have been affording x2 weekly hour appts in this hobby and planning to pay off my mortgage when it's up for renewal this yr. Who's the moron now?
 

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I gave you 5 reasons for higher fuel prices under Biden.
You called me a liar and an idiot without any context whatsoever.
Either make an intelligent argument or move on.
What do your investments have to with this discussion?
 

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He just made it way more difficult to increase production.
Fair enough, but it would take a massive decrease in production to go from net exporter to net importer in a matter of months.
 

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Fair enough, but it would take a massive decrease in production to go from net exporter to net importer in a matter of months.
Absolutely, production was severely affected by the factors outlined in my previous post. However, because of years of over supply sitting in tankers waiting for demand to exfill the excess oil no one payed attention to loss of production.

When US demand ramped up after the vaccine was developed, the over supply was eaten up in just a few short months and the world woke up to higher oil prices.
 
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Absolutely, production was severely affected by the factors outlined in my previous post. However, because of years of over supply sitting in tankers waiting for demand to exfill the excess oil no one payed attention to loss of production.

When US demand ramped up after the vaccine was developed, the over supply was eaten up in just a few short months and the world woke up to higher oil prices.
Your previous claim was that they passed laws to make increasing production more difficult. Much different than massively decreasing production, which is your new claim.

He just made it way more difficult to increase production.
 

Ginomore

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Your previous claim was that they passed laws to make increasing production more difficult. Much different than massively decreasing production, which is your new claim.
The bottom line is Biden made oil production in the USA much more difficult.
 

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This was very predictable.
Should surprise no one.
Oh, probably surprised the drama teacher. Hang on, please explain to me why we have a drama teacher running the country.
 

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This was very predictable.
Should surprise no one.
Oh, probably surprised the drama teacher. Hang on, please explain to me why we have a drama teacher running the country.
Because it's the USA, they also elected a TV personality who declared bankruptcy, so go figure. Next is they will elect a moviestar.
 

shack

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The bottom line is Biden made oil production in the USA much more difficult.
I'm not denying that.

But it seems that my skepticism about the claim that the U.S. production of oil dropped so much in such a short period of time, such that it went from a net exporter to a net importer in just a few months has not been proven to be misguided. That claim was clearly a large exaggeration for the sake of scoring political (anti-Biden) points.
 
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