I think the Freedom Convoy may have already accomplished something…

JohnLarue

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Don't worry about me. I have an accounting degree and I know how to file tax returns.
You do not seem to understand the "Privacy Act" that was embedded into the tax code in 1983

Worry about yourself.
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Too funny
If you had taken that very same advise I gave you 30 posts ago we probably not be discussing your vendetta at all.
It would have died the early death it deserves

CRA do not take fictitious expense claims lightly.
No doubt
But as per the tax code, that is really only a concern for you if in fact you are the one making said fictious claims
Anyone else and it is none of god dam business

Attempting to entice a public institution into attacking a specific minority group might get you into trouble with some of Justin's new "hate laws"- I have not read them specifically so I can not say for sure
Maybe you should seek legal advise prior to launch of "operation vendetta".... just to be safe

Now I have thoroughly enjoyed showing you how foolish an idea your vendetta was but enough is enough
Learn something and move on
 

JohnLarue

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LOL. "Not all truckers support". That is to say it lightly. No Trucker's organisation support this nonsense, which is organized by far out right wingers intent on overthrowing the government by non democratic means.
You have got to be kidding or watching too much CNN
 
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JohnLarue

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I doubt it. Pure self interest. Hedging bets when you are going to lose the WH and and Senate. You don’t think Manchin just became a Democratic obstructionist on principle do you?
What you doubt or believe is of no value or interest to me
 

danmand

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You do not seem to understand the "Privacy Act" that was embedded into the tax code in 1983
???
Too funny
If you had taken that very same advise I gave you 30 posts ago we probably not be discussing your vendetta at all.
It would have died the early death it deserves


No doubt
But as per the tax code, that is really only a concern for you if in fact you are the one making said fictious claims
Anyone else and it is none of god dam business

Attempting to entice a public institution into attacking a specific minority group might get you into trouble with some of Justin's new "hate laws"- I have not read them specifically so I can not say for sure
Maybe you should seek legal advise prior to launch of "operation vendetta".... just to be safe

Now I have thoroughly enjoyed showing you how foolish an idea your vendetta was but enough is enough
Learn something and move on
Post whatever deflections you can dream up.

You are on record advocating the use of fictitious invoices, which is fraudulent.
 

pe1984

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Wasn't the JT blackface incident about 30 years ago?

Shouldn't the Tories in the House be doing something a little more useful than dealing with stuff from 30 years ago?.... Shouldn't they be working out how to stop the Omicronvoy bullies from harassing older women in downtown Ottawa?
Not sure if you bothered to read what I said, but I wasn’t defending the Tories. We were talking about the bias of the media. If the Liberals wanted to condemn blackfacing and Conservatives said no to it, it would be a big story. But maybe you disagree. Either way, I’m not going to argue back. Each of us in the end makes their own observations and hopefully draw their own conclusions.
 

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Forced coercion is not a choice!
Forced coercion? That is a little too extreme.
No one is forcing anyone, you have your own choices.
There are just restriction to follow shall you decide whether to get the jab or not. Its like a teenage kid who decides to takes on smoking but prohibited from buying tobacco because he is under 19. Is he suppose to want his freedom? His life his body? Get real man...
 

pe1984

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Sorry to try to make your post seem less biased.
I had no idea that would be so offensive to you.

What other media in Canada has an ombudsman to watch for bias, someone you can complain to directly?
It wasn’t offensive.

I am not going to try to argue back because it will be a waste of both of our times. It is interesting that different people draw different conclusions about what is biased and how biased it is. Probably because we are all biased.
 

pe1984

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Forced coercion? That is a little too extreme.
No one is forcing anyone, you have your own choices.
There are just restriction to follow shall you decide whether to get the jab or not. Its like a teenage kid who decides to takes on smoking but prohibited from buying tobacco because he is under 19. Is he suppose to want his freedom? His life his body? Get real man...
If I may chime in, you’re over-simplifying. When you lose your job and then can’t afford your rent and can’t feed yourself or your family, it’s really not a choice.

Just to be clear, what I’m saying shouldn’t be thought to have any implications about my own vaccine status or feelings about the vaccine. The point is, many of us (including me) are pro-choice about abortion. Why not about newly developed vaccines? Even if we want to argue about saving lives that would have otherwise been lost during the pandemic, with any measurement it is definitely not true that each unvaxxed person is costing 1 life. On the other hand, you can argue that each abortion costs 1 life. Nonetheless, many of us don’t want any restrictions for abortion.
 

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It wasn’t offensive.

I am not going to try to argue back because it will be a waste of both of our times. It is interesting that different people draw different conclusions about what is biased and how biased it is. Probably because we are all biased.
Agreed, my point being that if you use the average party voting, which were what, around 33% liberal, 32% cons and 17% NPD as your starting base then you'd see CBC as fairly reflective of those views, not skewing left.
 

pe1984

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Agreed, my point being that if you use the average party voting, which were what, around 33% liberal, 32% cons and 17% NPD as your starting base then you'd see CBC as fairly reflective of those views, not skewing left.
I think actually the Conservatives won the popular vote in the last two federal elections. But you’re right that if you combine Liberals and NDP, that’s the majority of Canadian voters for sure. I suppose it depends on your definition of what it means for a network to be centre: whether it means adhering to the average Canadian voter at the time, or providing an objective narrative of the events.
 

Frankfooter

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I think actually the Conservatives won the popular vote in the last two federal elections. But you’re right that if you combine Liberals and NDP, that’s the majority of Canadian voters for sure. I suppose it depends on your definition of what it means for a network to be centre: whether it means adhering to the average Canadian voter at the time, or providing an objective narrative of the events.
There's always some bias, but being factual and having your bias represent the average Canadian is about as good as we could hope for.
 
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JohnLarue

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Post whatever deflections you can dream up.

You are on record advocating the use of fictitious invoices, which is fraudulent.
Oh boy !
Well then you had better call CRA and turn me in
1 (800) 387-1193
Make sure you give them accurate information

Hi CRA
Yeah the names danmand
I have the ornery villain JohnLarue deads-to-rights
Yous see I was a fixing to have you dues an audit on all them there trucker protester villains creating such a ruckus in you-alls home town of Ottawas
Eyes done figured these scoundrels will be subsmitting fictitious invoices for the fuel they done used to drive to yours place and well cheatsing on their taxes --and eyes just don't think that's a right
I shore woods appreciates it ifn yous woods give them a right scarry auduits
Ands I was a hopen yous rounds up this here Larue feller as he said " message delivered, invoice sent and invoice paid" and eyes dun figured thats "advocating the use of fictitious invoices, which is fraudulent."
Oh, eyes almosts plum forgot, this all took place on a internets hooker chat line, sos I anit 100% shore on whos he might be
...........
Hellos CRA ????
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They done hung up me ???
 

bver_hunter

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Not trying to get into a back and forth argument, but the Sun and National Post are not TV stations, as I understand. They are newspapers (although digital and with websites).

As for the bias of the media, I used to think like you. Until I paid more attention. The vast majority of Canadian media are really essentially left wing propaganda machines. You can see this from what they choose to cover and how they cover it. I think you’re right that a lot of them used to be centre/centre-left, but today unfortunately there is essentially no media in the centre. They are all heavily biased, either left or right wing leaning.

As for the Convoy, it’s fair to make the objections you made. But before the Convoy got to Ottawa, the media was trying so hard for a few days to portray them as a bunch of dangerous far right extremists. You might like their movement or not, you might think they should stop their protest because they are creating disruption in traffic or not; but the narrative that they were a bunch of far right extremists was completely false.

Cheers.
Media applies to all sources be it Newspapers, TV and even Online Media Sources like Joe Rogan. Anyway, I did not say that The Sun and The National Post were "TV Stations".
None of you can explain in what sense these "TV Media" are biased or left wing. Unless to You on the Right Wing it means posting the really biased Pro Conservative news and opinions like The Sun.
I have seen The CBC and CTV criticize all the parties, be it Conservative, Liberals or NDP. So explain in what sense are they considered to be "heavily biased"? I know that those on the right consider The CBC to be "Extreme Left" with no real substance. How about CTV, do You consider them to be far left or far right leaning news media?

Yes, The Toronto Star is more left leaning similar to The National Post is to the Right. Remember that The National Post censored Andrew Coyne for his praise of certain Liberal campaigns in 2015, although he was right about it. The reasoning that they did so, is that The National Post endorsed the Conservative Party in the 2015 Elections.

The media got it right when they stated that the Convoy had elements of the extreme right who also got on board. I saw reports of some of their racist remarks that the Ottawa Citizens were bitterly complaining about. There were also attacks against those LGBTQ communities. Then do not forget that they are screaming for Trudeau to "resign". For implementing a vaccine mandate?? Seriously, they cannot comprehend that there is something called the Ballot Box that decided such outcomes?

I am not saying that all the truckers are far right extremists. Neither are the media, so that is a false narrative. But these are mainly right wing truckers who buy the fake Anti-vaccine Conspiracy Theories that is rife on certain far right platforms. There are definitely a substantial number of far right racists extremists as we have seen from their neo-Nazi symbols. If the truckers had zero bias they would have curtailed such individuals, and their Nazi flags and posters.

No, the poster is right on point.
So is is okay to have elements of this convoy making racists and homophobic comments to Minorities and the LGBTQ Communities in Ottawa?
 
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Frankfooter

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Eyes done figured these scoundrels will be subsmitting fictitious invoices for the fuel they done used to drive to yours place and well cheatsing on their taxes --and eyes just don't think that's a right
I shore woods appreciates it ifn yous woods give them a right scarry auduits
Ands I was a hopen yous rounds up this here Larue feller as he said " message delivered, invoice sent and invoice paid" and eyes dun figured thats "advocating the use of fictitious invoices, which is fraudulent."
Oh, eyes almosts plum forgot, this all took place on a internets hooker chat line, sos I anit 100% shore on whos he might be
...........
Hellos CRA ????
.....
They done hung up me ???
Like typing in blackface....
 

pe1984

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There's always some bias, but being factual and having your bias represent the average Canadian is about as good as we could hope for.
Well, one problem is that CBC isn’t exactly factual. Like suggesting that the Convoy might be a result of Russian interference, to give a recent example. (I’m not saying that that suggestion is not true for sure - I have no way of knowing for sure although it seems highly unlikely to me. But that statement is every bit as speculative and as much of a conspiracy as saying for example that maybe Trudeau (or whoever) might have ties with China (or Russia or whoever).)

We seem to agree that there’s bias. Put that together with not really being committed to facts and you might agree that we’ve got a problem. I personally want to have media that give me the facts as they actually are, with ideally no bias. I will then draw my own conclusions and form my own opinions.

Another thing to keep in mind is that bias of a network doesn’t quite work like “averaging”. For example, the CBC is every bit as woke as Liberals and the NDP (I don’t mean to use the term woke as a derogatory term, but just to refer to the socially progressive movement of say the last decade). Of course, the conservatives (as well as actually many Liberal voters) are not nearly as woke. So there the CBC is no longer representing the average Canadian, but rather close to the most left-wing Canadian.
 
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