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Futility of Repeated Jabs?

jcpro

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The Covid-19 vaccine was undeniably able to reduce morbidity and mortality in seniors and the immunocompromised in long term care facilities at the beginning of the vaccine campaign which is not what I would call a 100% failure rate! Any death deferral is a success anyway isn’t it?
The hospital data in North American suggests that currently morbidity and mortality is still significantly more severe among the unvaccinated or those that have received only one jab. The anti vaxxers by definition reject the jab but rarely reject the ICU ventilator for some reason.
Still Omicron has punched significant holes in the current vaccine program obviously and new vaccines are obviously needed which may likely be offered up for administering to the masses with ultra short term testing as before. Then the current mRNA vaccines will be discontinued or banned. Your post implies that you would like to see the current vaccines banned now.?
Do you believe that multiple jabs weaken the immune system?
I don't know if the "vaccines" weaken the immune system. The EMA suggested that it may. Would I like to have the "vaccines " banned? It doesn't matter what I think. The current "vaccines " do not stop the Omicron variant, anyway. I would like for the authorities to stop referring to the mrna treatment as a "vaccine" since it neither prevents infection nor the spread of the virus.
 
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I don't know if the "vaccines" weaken the immune system. The EMA suggested that it may. Would I like to have the "vaccines " banned? It doesn't matter what I think. The current "vaccines " do not stop the Omicron variant, anyway. I would like for the authorities to stop referring to the mrna treatment as a "vaccine" since it neither prevents infection nor the spread of the virus.
The term”vaccine “ can still be used with the mRNA medications because it has been shown to protect against Covid-19 and variants although with Omicron, less protection than with other variants. The medication doesn’t have to prevent infection or stop transmission to be called a vaccine. You mentioned reports of the vaccine making it easier to contract Covid-19 than for the unvaccinated which may or may not be true and has not be proven. What has been proven is the reduction in morbidity and mortality in the vaccinated over the unvaccinated at this point in time. Also ”Long Covid”,being those that have acquired brain fog, become impotent, frigid, neurotic, psychotic, cardiovascular or respiratory damaged are predominantly those with a history of not having been vaccinated at this point in time.
For whatever reasons, you mention not that “it doesn’t matter what you think” when asked about whether mRNA vaccines should be banned, and in this point in time I think that the scientific evidence would support that the benefits outweigh the risks but who knows what the future holds in this game of three dimensional chess against a wildly mutating respiratory pandemic causing pathogen.
 

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And what vaccine has a 100% failure rate not even a year later? They even have a couple of studies (from a G&M article) that suggest a negative efficacy- meaning the vaccinated are more likely to get infected than the unvaccinated.
None.
But sure, keep pretending the covid vaccine is 0% effective. It might be sensible of you were arguing that the vaccine was updated to adapt for the current variants the way the flu shot is every year but instead you just get silly.
 

Valcazar

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Are people still pretending that it isn't a "vaccine" for... reasons?
:rolleyes:
 

massman

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I don't know if the "vaccines" weaken the immune system. The EMA suggested that it may. Would I like to have the "vaccines " banned? It doesn't matter what I think. The current "vaccines " do not stop the Omicron variant, anyway. I would like for the authorities to stop referring to the mrna treatment as a "vaccine" since it neither prevents infection nor the spread of the virus.
Where did you learn your definition of vaccine? Certainly not from an immunology class.
And there is good evidence, (Eg from household transmission studies) even with omicron, that the vaccine can prevent infection and transmission (tho definitely not 100%) , notwithstanding all the vaccinated friends you know, that have that have got infected.
 

jcpro

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Where did you learn your definition of vaccine? Certainly not from an immunology class.
And there is good evidence, (Eg from household transmission studies) even with omicron, that the vaccine can prevent infection and transmission (tho definitely not 100%) , notwithstanding all the vaccinated friends you know, that have that have got infected.
Yes, we have a new definition of vaccine. Now, an aspirin qualifies as one, too. Doesn't prevent a headache, but sure makes it milder.
 

jcpro

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Oh dear.
jcpro is going to have to repeat class.
Lol!! That's your beloved Covid-19 "vaccines ". They don't prevent the spread and the infections, but lessen the effects of the virus. So, Dr. what did we use to call that?
 

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Please tell us how an aspirin stimulates the body to produce antibodies that work against an antigen.
$5 says he will have a theory and $10 says it’ll be a doozy.
 
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Lol!! That's your beloved Covid-19 "vaccines ". They don't prevent the spread and the infections, but lessen the effects of the virus. So, Dr. what did we use to call that?
A fukin vaccine.
Tell us, what is your understanding of what a vaccine is?
 

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No, it's a treatment at best.
So it’s a “treatment” that is given to people, who don’t yet have the disease, that makes their immune system better able to fight off the disease. But it’s not a vaccine.

answer the question, what is your understanding of what a vaccine is?
 
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jcpro

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So it’s a “treatment” that is given to people, who don’t yet have the disease, that makes their immune system better able to fight off the disease. But it’s not a vaccine.

answer the question, what is your understanding of what a vaccine is?
Whatever. Keep drinking coolaid.
 
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What is your concept / definition of what a vaccine is? And where did you learn that? What supports your view? (No koolaid)
A preparation of killed microorganisms, living attenuated organisms or living fully virulent organisms that is administered to produce or artificially increase immunity to a particular disease’
 

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A preparation of killed microorganisms, living attenuated organisms or living fully virulent organisms that is administered to produce or artificially increase immunity to a particular disease’
Source? Seriously where did you get this? This might have been a definition of a vaccine a hundred years ago. If you want to learn about something it’s best not to search thru all of the definitions and then pick the one that fits your preconceived biases. (Paraphrasing here) You can have your own opinions, but not your own facts

FYI, there are plenty vaccines that do not contain any of the above. In fact most modern vaccines do not contain killed, attenuated or living fully virulent organisms.

Someone once said “better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt”

(in fairness your definition is accurate from “that” onwards, and I note it does not anywhere include “prevent all infection and transmission 100%”)
 

jcpro

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Source? Seriously where did you get this? This might have been a definition of a vaccine a hundred years ago. If you want to learn about something it’s best not to search thru all of the definitions and then pick the one that fits your preconceived biases. (Paraphrasing here) You can have your own opinions, but not your own facts

FYI, there are plenty vaccines that do not contain any of the above. In fact most modern vaccines do not contain killed, attenuated or living fully virulent organisms.

Someone once said “better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt”

(in fairness your definition is accurate from “that” onwards, and I note it does not anywhere include “prevent all infection and transmission 100%”)
It's called dictionary, I belive.
 

HungSowel

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JC is just trolling, he is vaxxed. He is a case of a non-stupid person pretending to be stupid. KD is the same too, KD knows better but pretends to be a country bumpkin when convient.
 
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