BYU threatens to arrest students who protest the Mormon school’s anti-LGBTQ policies

[Charlemagne]

BYU threatens to arrest students who protest the Mormon school's anti-LGBTQ policies - LGBTQ Nation

The new school rules also say that student protests may not “deliberately attack or deride” the church or its leaders.

www.lgbtqnation.com

 

[onomatopoeia]

Brigham Young University students have to sign a pledge stating that they will not have premarital sex. In 2011, Brandon Davies of BYU, an All-Conference member of their NCAA men's basketball season, was suspended from the team on March 1st for the rest of the season for having sex with his girlfriend. BYU was ranked in the top 10 of NCAA at the time.

Read more:
Davies controversy.
Church Educational System Honor Code



Former Toronto Raptor stiff Rafael Araújo was allowed to have sex while attending BYU because he had married. I think Araújo got a job collecting delinquent loans after stinking up the Raptor's bench for a couple of seasons.

Honestly, if a University student is LBGTQ, they should attend any school other than Brigham Young. Enrolling there specifically for the purpose of trying to change the rules is really just a form of trolling that has approval from the Left. It's not a whole lot different from the two women who used the courts to gain enrollment into The Citadel, (The Military College of South Carolina), and subsequently quit after one day because they weren't sufficiently physically fit to meet the school's requirements.

 

[Adam_hadam]

No one and I mean no one really doesn't care what goes on in you taw.

 

[Charlemagne]

Brigham Young University students have to sign a pledge stating that they will not have premarital sex. In 2011, Brandon Davies of BYU, an All-Conference member of their NCAA men's basketball season, was suspended from the team on March 1st for the rest of the season for having sex with his girlfriend. BYU was ranked in the top 10 of NCAA at the time.

Read more:
Davies controversy.
Church Educational System Honor Code

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Former Toronto Raptor stiff Rafael Araújo was allowed to have sex while attending BYU because he had married. I think Araújo got a job collecting delinquent loans after stinking up the Raptor's bench for a couple of seasons.

Honestly, if a University student is LBGTQ, they should attend any school other than Brigham Young. Enrolling there specifically for the purpose of trying to change the rules is really just a form of trolling that has approval from the Left. It's not a whole lot different from the two women who used the courts to gain enrollment into The Citadel, (The Military College of South Carolina), and subsequently quit after one day because they weren't sufficiently physically fit to meet the school's requirements.

A lot of Mormon kids stay in the closet so they don't upset their families. Going to byu and serving a mission are all part of the stages one must go through before temple marriage. Also, a lot of these kids are financially dependent on their fathers due to the way Mormon life is structured.

I don't understand how a school like BYU is allowed to stifle freedom of speech and protest, they need to get sued.

 

[Charlemagne]

No one and I mean no one really doesn't care what goes on in you taw.

It's a theocracy, with over 90 percent of elected officials being Mormon. But it's a small state, so people don't care too much as you said. Mormons are also very influential people, which is why they've avoided a lot of criticism.

 

[onomatopoeia]

A lot of Mormon kids stay in the closet so they don't upset their families. Going to byu and serving a mission are all part of the stages one must go through before temple marriage. Also, a lot of these kids are financially dependent on their fathers due to the way Mormon life is structured.

I don't understand how a school like BYU is allowed to stifle freedom of speech and protest, they need to get sued.

The System Honor Code is a lot like a strict parent's household rules being applied to young adults who are no longer living under their father's roof. Other than the students receiving a scholarship, I suspect that a lot of the BYU student body didn't chose to go their; their father chose the school for them, and paid the coast.

Charlie, I know from other threads that you have personal inside knowledge of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I've read parts of The Book of Mormon, and I'd like you to confirm or deny whether these assumptions of mine are true, false, or consistent with your opinions/ experience:

1) Joseph Smith, founder of the Church, previously worked as a psychic who sold people maps to buried treasure.

2) Mormons have their own equivalent of a Pope and Cardinals, named the Prophet and Apostles. The Prophet is elected by the Apostles after the death of his predecessor. They believe that the Prophet speaks directly to God, and speaks on behalf of The Almighty.

3) The Book of Mormon contains numerous passages that are lifted word for word from the King James Version of The Bible, including the choice of vocabulary that sounds a lot like a The Mighty Thor comic book written by Stan Lee.

4) Mormons believe that White people, descended from Joseph, the son of Jacob from the Book of Genesis in the Old Testament, ('he of "the coat of many colours'), emigrated to North America by boat sometime before 600 BCE. At some point, those people split into two groups, the 'good' Nephites and the 'bad' Lamanites.

5) The Lamanites conquered the Nephites in a story very similar to the lyrics of the song One Tin Soldier by The Original Caste:

6) As the Lamanites became more and more evil, their skins became darker. They later became the North American Native people.

7) I see Mormonism as justification for American expansion into land formerly possessed by Native Americans. From their point of view, they were not displacing the Native occupants; they were reclaiming the land that, in their opinion, rightfully belonged to their spiritual ancestors.

8) The Second Nephi, a Mormon prophet who lived hundreds of years BCE, speaks of Jesus Christ by name, and in the past tense.

9) Mormons believe in a Heaven with a hierarchy of different levels. The most holy ones get to go to the 'gated community' where the 'less holy' are not allowed.

10) Mormons tithe 30% of their income to the Church.

How close did I get to seeing through this farce?

 

[jcpro]

I dare anyone to attend a religious based school in the Islamic country or even an orthodox yeshiva while proclaiming openly unorthodox sexual norms. We used to have this understanding that if one couldn't or wouldn't comply with the rules, one would attend a secular institution. Is this really so difficult in 2022?

 

[y2kmark]

Honestly, if a University student is LBGTQ, they should attend any school other than Brigham Young.
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Many are little better. Jerry Fallwell's Liberty University and the school that graduated Tucker Carlson come to mind, but there are many others...

 

[onomatopoeia]

I dare anyone to attend a religious based school in the Islamic country or even an orthodox yeshiva while proclaiming openly unorthodox sexual norms. We used to have this understanding that if one couldn't or wouldn't comply with the rules, one would attend a secular institution. Is this really so difficult in 2022?

I agree. Every private company, including THIS board, has rules. Those rules do not have to conform to Government doctrines. State universities in the US cannot have those sorts of discriminatory codes of conduct, but private institutions can. Just because a wheel squeaks doesn't mean you have to grease it. Not everyone caves in just because somebody protests against the status quo. No one is forced to attend BYU, but attending THAT school requires students to sign a pledge stating that they will follow the BYU rules. They are often strictly enforced, (see post #2 in this thread, re Davies Controversy).

 

[onomatopoeia]

Honestly, if a University student is LBGTQ, they should attend any school other than Brigham Young.

Many are little better. Jerry Fallwell's Liberty University and the school that graduated Tucker Carlson come to mind, but there are many others...
[/QUOTE]

Carlson graduated from Trinity College in Hartford, Connecticut. They're Division III for NCAA sports, so they'd have their hands full against a good high school team, but they could probably kick butt against any women's college that doesn't have any trans athletes on the team.

 

[JohnHenry]

10) Mormons tithe 30% of their income to the Church.

Actually 10 percent.

 

[Charlemagne]

The System Honor Code is a lot like a strict parent's household rules being applied to young adults who are no longer living under their father's roof. Other than the students receiving a scholarship, I suspect that a lot of the BYU student body didn't chose to go their; their father chose the school for them, and paid the coast.

Charlie, I know from other threads that you have personal inside knowledge of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I've read parts of The Book of Mormon, and I'd like you to confirm or deny whether these assumptions of mine are true, false, or consistent with your opinions/ experience:

1) Joseph Smith, founder of the Church, previously worked as a psychic who sold people maps to buried treasure.

2) Mormons have their own equivalent of a Pope and Cardinals, named the Prophet and Apostles. The Prophet is elected by the Apostles after the death of his predecessor. They believe that the Prophet speaks directly to God, and speaks on behalf of The Almighty.

3) The Book of Mormon contains numerous passages that are lifted word for word from the King James Version of The Bible, including the choice of vocabulary that sounds a lot like a The Mighty Thor comic book written by Stan Lee.

4) Mormons believe that White people, descended from Joseph, the son of Jacob from the Book of Genesis in the Old Testament, ('he of "the coat of many colours'), emigrated to North America by boat sometime before 600 BCE. At some point, those people split into two groups, the 'good' Nephites and the 'bad' Lamanites.

5) The Lamanites conquered the Nephites in a story very similar to the lyrics of the song One Tin Soldier by The Original Caste:

6) As the Lamanites became more and more evil, their skins became darker. They later became the North American Native people.

7) I see Mormonism as justification for American expansion into land formerly possessed by Native Americans. From their point of view, they were not displacing the Native occupants; they were reclaiming the land that, in their opinion, rightfully belonged to their spiritual ancestors.

8) The Second Nephi, a Mormon prophet who lived hundreds of years BCE, speaks of Jesus Christ by name, and in the past tense.

9) Mormons believe in a Heaven with a hierarchy of different levels. The most holy ones get to go to the 'gated community' where the 'less holy' are not allowed.

10) Mormons tithe 30% of their income to the Church.

How close did I get to seeing through this farce?

1) Yes. But he was labeled more of a "glass-looker" or treasure hunter. He had a criminal record for fraud, he deceived people with his activities.

2) Yes. The President of the church is considered a "Seer and Revelator" also a prophet. He is supposed to be a mouth piece for God, as he directly speaks to God. However, they do not vote in choosing the role, as it's predetermined based on seniority.

3) Yes. Apparently it's 1700's English but Smith "translated" the Book of Mormon in the 1800's.

4) Jacob is Nephi's brother, with Joseph being the youngest sibling. White people descended from from Lehi and Sarah I guess. The Nephites are the descendants of Nephi, while The Lamanites are descendants of the wicked siblings, Laman and Lemuel.

5) Yes, both sides conquered eachother several times. They also took turns being righteous and wicked, meaning one side was for God while the other was evil.

6) Yes. Mormons believe that this is their land and it will be given back to them during the second coming.

7) The whole religion is a justification for white supremacy and manifest destiny.

8) Yes, and he constantly quoted himself as "I Nephi."

9) Yes. The Celestial Kingdom is the highest level of heaven where you get to live with the whole trinity.

10) 10 percent is required. There are also a lot of funds that the church encourages members to donate too, which are tax deductible of course. (Funding missions in the third world, temple building, humanitarian efforts etc). They are also required to fast for one Sunday a month, then pay a "fast offering," meaning the price of a meal.

If you're interested, watch John Dehlin's podcast. The LDS Church is very damaging psychologically to it's members, and they lie quite a bit about their history/past doctrines. A lot of exmormons are interviewed in this podcast. The temple ceremonies are very creepy and weird, which is why only righteous members are allowed to participate. They are also much better at covering up sexual abuse than the Catholics.

 

[onomatopoeia]

Charlie, I know from other threads that you have personal inside knowledge of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I've read parts of The Book of Mormon, and I'd like you to confirm or deny whether these assumptions of mine are true, false, or consistent with your opinions/ experience:

1) Joseph Smith, founder of the Church, previously worked as a psychic who sold people maps to buried treasure.

2) Mormons have their own equivalent of a Pope and Cardinals, named the Prophet and Apostles. The Prophet is elected by the Apostles after the death of his predecessor. They believe that the Prophet speaks directly to God, and speaks on behalf of The Almighty.

3) The Book of Mormon contains numerous passages that are lifted word for word from the King James Version of The Bible, including the choice of vocabulary that sounds a lot like a The Mighty Thor comic book written by Stan Lee.

4) Mormons believe that White people, descended from Joseph, the son of Jacob from the Book of Genesis in the Old Testament, ('he of "the coat of many colours'), emigrated to North America by boat sometime before 600 BCE. At some point, those people split into two groups, the 'good' Nephites and the 'bad' Lamanites.

5) The Lamanites conquered the Nephites in a story very similar to the lyrics of the song One Tin Soldier by The Original Caste:

6) As the Lamanites became more and more evil, their skins became darker. They later became the North American Native people.

7) I see Mormonism as justification for American expansion into land formerly possessed by Native Americans. From their point of view, they were not displacing the Native occupants; they were reclaiming the land that, in their opinion, rightfully belonged to their spiritual ancestors.

8) The Second Nephi, a Mormon prophet who lived hundreds of years BCE, speaks of Jesus Christ by name, and in the past tense.

9) Mormons believe in a Heaven with a hierarchy of different levels. The most holy ones get to go to the 'gated community' where the 'less holy' are not allowed.

10) Mormons tithe 30% of their income to the Church.

How close did I get to seeing through this farce?

1) Yes.
2) Yes. (not elected).
3) Yes.
4) Jacob is Nephi's brother, with Joseph being the youngest sibling. White people descended from from Lehi and Sarah I guess. The Nephites are the descendants of Nephi, while The Lamanites are descendants of the wicked siblings, Laman and Lemuel.
5) Yes,
6) Yes.
7) The whole religion is a justification for white supremacy and manifest destiny.
8) Yes,
9) Yes.
10) 10 percent is required.

4) I thought Jacob only had one brother, his older twin Esau, who sold his birthright for some food, the same way Charlie sold his stake in the Paddy's Pub on It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

It looks like I read enough to get the gist. #7 pretty much sums it up. I reached that same conclusion in almost exactly the same words

I thought it was absurd then men would chose which one of them God was allowed to speak to directly. "THE LORD on line one, sir" "Tell him I'm in a meeting", (puts golf ball in his office).

I had a couple of Mormon missionaries visit my apartment on Tuesdays for a few weeks in the early 90's. I had no intention of joining their Church, but I like to have facts on which to base my opinions. They were nice people, and they gave me a Book of Mormon and a used Mormon Bible, which has notations where ambiguous wording in the Old and New Testaments is given specific meaning, in the opinion of Joseph Smith, the Church founder. (known as the "Joseph Smith Translation). I came up with different interpretations of the same text many times.

When we were talking about The Prophet, I asked one of them 'What if God chose a woman, instead of a man, for direct communication?', and he said 'God wouldn't do that'.

 

[Charlemagne]

4) I thought Jacob only had one brother, his older twin Esau, who sold his birthright for some food, the same way Charlie sold his stake in the Paddy's Pub on It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

It looks like I read enough to get the gist. #7 pretty much sums it up. I reached that same conclusion in almost exactly the same words

I thought it was absurd then men would chose which one of them God was allowed to speak to directly. "THE LORD on line one, sir" "Tell him I'm in a meeting", (puts golf ball in his office).

I had a couple of Mormon missionaries visit my apartment on Tuesdays for a few weeks in the early 90's. I had no intention of joining their Church, but I like to have facts on which to base my opinions. They were nice people, and they gave me a Book of Mormon and a used Mormon Bible, which has notations where ambiguous wording in the Old and New Testaments is given specific meaning, in the opinion of Joseph Smith, the Church founder. (known as the "Joseph Smith Translation). I came up with different interpretations of the same text many times.

When we were talking about The Prophet, I asked one of them 'What if God chose a woman, instead of a man, for direct communication?', and he said 'God wouldn't do that'.

"The Book of Mormon mentions Jacob as the younger brother of Nephi, and the elder of two sons born to Lehi (the younger son being Joseph) after Lehi's departure from Jerusalem. It does not explicitly name Lehi's wife Sariah as the mother of Jacob or Joseph, but no other wife of Lehi is ever mentioned."

"According to the Book of Mormon narrative, Jacob was born in the wilderness during his father Lehi's journey from Jerusalem to the promised land (the Americas) sometime between 592 B.C. and 590 B.C.[3]

Jacob and his family eventually traveled to the Americas via boat constructed by his brother, Nephi. Jacob went on to be a righteous leader, and succeeded Nephi as prophet to the Nephites. Jacob is the author of the Book of Jacob in the Book of Mormon."

Jacob (Book of Mormon prophet) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

You're probably talking about another Jacob, possibly from the Bible. I haven't read much scripture in the last 17 years, I admit.

 

[Charlemagne]

I dare anyone to attend a religious based school in the Islamic country or even an orthodox yeshiva while proclaiming openly unorthodox sexual norms. We used to have this understanding that if one couldn't or wouldn't comply with the rules, one would attend a secular institution. Is this really so difficult in 2022?

Stay on topic. This is about Mormons. They have way more influence over our society than any other religion, besides "Mainstream Christianity." They pretty much have their own state, even though demographics are changing.

 

[onomatopoeia]

You're probably talking about another Jacob, possibly from the Bible. I haven't read much scripture in the last 17 years, I admit.

Yes, I was referring to Jacob, grandson of Abraham. His other name is Israel. He had thirteen sons, twelve of which founded the tribes, and Joseph, who interpreted dreams correctly and became the major advisor of the Pharaoh of Egypt. It sounds like the Mormons invented some founders for the Nephites, but gave them names associated with the founders of Judaism. They even have their own salt lake, just like God's 'other' chosen people.

 

[barnacler]

A lot of Mormon kids stay in the closet so they don't upset their families. Going to byu and serving a mission are all part of the stages one must go through before temple marriage. Also, a lot of these kids are financially dependent on their fathers due to the way Mormon life is structured.

I don't understand how a school like BYU is allowed to stifle freedom of speech and protest, they need to get sued.

Ah! Just like every woke university on the planet, right?

 

[mandrill]

Ah! Just like every woke university on the planet, right?

Last I heard, Harvard wasn't arresting and evicting students for having unpopular opinions. Or premarital sex.

 

[moredale7]

The System Honor Code is a lot like a strict parent's household rules being applied to young adults who are no longer living under their father's roof. Other than the students receiving a scholarship, I suspect that a lot of the BYU student body didn't chose to go their; their father chose the school for them, and paid the coast.

Charlie, I know from other threads that you have personal inside knowledge of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I've read parts of The Book of Mormon, and I'd like you to confirm or deny whether these assumptions of mine are true, false, or consistent with your opinions/ experience:

1) Joseph Smith, founder of the Church, previously worked as a psychic who sold people maps to buried treasure.

2) Mormons have their own equivalent of a Pope and Cardinals, named the Prophet and Apostles. The Prophet is elected by the Apostles after the death of his predecessor. They believe that the Prophet speaks directly to God, and speaks on behalf of The Almighty.

3) The Book of Mormon contains numerous passages that are lifted word for word from the King James Version of The Bible, including the choice of vocabulary that sounds a lot like a The Mighty Thor comic book written by Stan Lee.

4) Mormons believe that White people, descended from Joseph, the son of Jacob from the Book of Genesis in the Old Testament, ('he of "the coat of many colours'), emigrated to North America by boat sometime before 600 BCE. At some point, those people split into two groups, the 'good' Nephites and the 'bad' Lamanites.

5) The Lamanites conquered the Nephites in a story very similar to the lyrics of the song One Tin Soldier by The Original Caste:

6) As the Lamanites became more and more evil, their skins became darker. They later became the North American Native people.

7) I see Mormonism as justification for American expansion into land formerly possessed by Native Americans. From their point of view, they were not displacing the Native occupants; they were reclaiming the land that, in their opinion, rightfully belonged to their spiritual ancestors.

8) The Second Nephi, a Mormon prophet who lived hundreds of years BCE, speaks of Jesus Christ by name, and in the past tense.

9) Mormons believe in a Heaven with a hierarchy of different levels. The most holy ones get to go to the 'gated community' where the 'less holy' are not allowed.

10) Mormons tithe 30% of their income to the Church.

How close did I get to seeing through this farce?

6) As the Lamanites became more and more evil, their skins became darker

I have Lamanites flooring in my den.

 

[Charlemagne]

Ah! Just like every woke university on the planet, right?

Dumb statement