2022 Blue Jays season

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Lets hope they can come to an agreement. Too much at stake. Looking forward to next season.
 
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They better open up the vault for Vlad and Bo asap. None of this nonchalant let them walk shit. Vlad has a millionnaire father. They better not be thinking some club friendly Acuña extension crap. Wont work!

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mlb(dot)com's list of the top 100 Prospects:

Jays with 2 in the top 100

44. Orelvis Martinez SS/3B expected to start the season in High A
55. Jordan Groshans SS/3B expected to start the season in AA

I'd feel a bit more comfortable if we had a pitcher in there. That has been my beef with Shapiro/Atkins, not placing enough emphasis on drafting arms.
 

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Jays with 2 in the top 100

44. Orelvis Martinez SS/3B expected to start the season in High A
55. Jordan Groshans SS/3B expected to start the season in AA

I'd feel a bit more comfortable if we had a pitcher in there. That has been my beef with Shapiro/Atkins, not placing enough emphasis on drafting arms.
And the top-rated player in their system, Gabriel Moreno, catcher, at number 32.
 
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mlb(dot)com's list of the top 100 Prospects:

The success rate of prospects in baseball is not that great.

Below is a link to a site which covers the top 100 prospects covering the years from 1990 to 2003 (there is an updated web page that covers up to 2012 which I do not have access to).

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The methodology in the article identified three categories - Bust or Success and the percentage of Success that ended up as Superior players.

Overall, Bust/Success was 70/30. Out of the success group 17% were superior.

Further, the top 20 prospects had Bust/Success rate of 47/53. Position players were 40/60 and pitchers were 60/40.

As fans I think we put too much weight into MLB prospects. Back in 2015 when the Jays traded away many of their top prospects to take a run at the World Series, people thought they were trading away their future. Which was not the case as we had 2-3 years of prosperity and most of those prospects did not pan out.

This post is not meant to diminish prospects, rather it is meant to confirm that most of the top 100 are busts and teams which are good at eyeing prospects, end up with more trade bait to use to get proven "Success" players to build or strengthen a team in the stretch drive (like the Jays did in 2015).

Below is the link that covers the most recent period, however I am not a subscriber of that site:


My guess is the stats would be fairly close.
 
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The success rate of prospects in baseball is not that great.

Below is a link to a site which covers the top 100 prospects covering the years from 1990 to 2003 (there is an updated web page that covers up to 2012 which I do not have access to).
2004 Major League Baseball Draft - 1st Round & Supplemental Picks

You can manually change the year to previous or successive drafts.

Matt Bush, #1 overall pick in 2004 as a high school shortstop, is still trying to get back to the Majors as a pitcher. He was a Toronto Blue Jay for most of the 2009 Grapefruit League season.

The Top 100 Prospects link I posted is not draft prospects, it's minor league players who are on track to earn Major League roster spots this year or next. There are probably just as many first round draft busts in hockey and basketball, and fewer in NFL football, mainly because most NFL draft picks have played 3 years of college ball.
 
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And the top-rated player in their system, Gabriel Moreno, catcher, at number 32.
For some reason the list is showing him as unaffiliated with any MLB team but you are indeed correct. He is in the Blue Jays system. I just looked his stats up on

Quite impressive. Very low K rate. Currently playing winter ball in Venezuela.
 

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2004 Major League Baseball Draft - 1st Round & Supplemental Picks

You can manually change the year to previous or successive drafts.

Matt Bush, #1 overall pick in 2004 as a high school shortstop, is still trying to get back to the Majors as a pitcher. He was a Toronto Blue Jay for most of the 2009 Grapefruit League season.

The Top 100 Prospects link I posted is not draft prospects, it's minor league players who are on track to earn Major League roster spots this year or next. There are probably just as many first round draft busts in hockey and basketball, and fewer in NFL football, mainly because most NFL draft picks have played 3 years of college ball.
Bush pitched very well for the Rangers during that play-off series with the Jays (though he was on the mound for the Donaldson Dash).

I could not find a site that compared percentage of top prospects who make it to the show, however I did find a site that compared the four major league sports overall # 1 draft picks and their success in their particular league.

I thought it would be relatively close, however the NHL stood well above the rest of the other leagues.

Site link: https://thehockeywriters.com/1st-overall-draft-picks-which-league-does-it-better/

The article was written in 2020 and covered the years 2000 - 2009. It is difficult to measure success, however the selected criteria seemed fair considering you are not comparing apples to apples stat wise.

1. NHL: 27/50
2. NFL: 16/50
3. NBA: 15/50
4. MLB: 12/50
 
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I could not find a site that compared percentage of top prospects who make it to the show, however I did find a site that compared the four major league sports overall # 1 draft picks and their success in their particular league.

I thought it would be relatively close, however the NHL stood well above the rest of the other leagues.

Site link: https://thehockeywriters.com/1st-overall-draft-picks-which-league-does-it-better/

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In the NBA Draft. early picks in the second round are MUCH more valuable that late picks in the first round, for a few reasons:

1) First Round picks, if signed, receive a three year guaranteed contract, with salary predetermined by their selection position in the draft. Second Round Picks receive an invitation to the Summer League team.

2) Players chosen in the second round are frequently ineligible to play in the NBA immediately, often because they are under contract to Euro League teams. A contending team with a solid roster can draft a guy playing in Europe that will be available when a player on the current roster retires, become a free agent, or declines in productivity. The San Antonio Spurs have had great success doing this:

Year.......Player...................Selection

1999......Manu Ginobli.......57/58

2002.....Luis Scola.............56/58

2008.....Goran Dragic........45/60

They also got Tony Parker and Tiago Splitter with first round selections at #28.

3) Rights to unsigned second round picks are frequently used to 'sweeten the pot' when making trades. Their salary cap hit is $0, and if they're playing well in Europe, their asset value increases as their remaining years under contract decrease.
 

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In the NBA Draft. early picks in the second round are MUCH more valuable that late picks in the first round, for a few reasons:

1) First Round picks, if signed, receive a three year guaranteed contract, with salary predetermined by their selection position in the draft. Second Round Picks receive an invitation to the Summer League team.

2) Players chosen in the second round are frequently ineligible to play in the NBA immediately, often because they are under contract to Euro League teams. A contending team with a solid roster can draft a guy playing in Europe that will be available when a player on the current roster retires, become a free agent, or declines in productivity. The San Antonio Spurs have had great success doing this:

Year.......Player...................Selection

1999......Manu Ginobli.......57/58

2002.....Luis Scola.............56/58

2008.....Goran Dragic........45/60

They also got Tony Parker and Tiago Splitter with first round selections at #28.

3) Rights to unsigned second round picks are frequently used to 'sweeten the pot' when making trades. Their salary cap hit is $0, and if they're playing well in Europe, their asset value increases as their remaining years under contract decrease.
I do not follow basketball (which is funny because as a kid I played it more than the other sports) and had no idea of the signing practices and drafting strategy of that league.
 

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FYI: I purchased the season pass of Major League Baseball last season around the beginning of June at half price, but I would not resubscribe.

All Blue Jays games are blacked out for live broadcast, but you can watch the 45 minutes after the last out, full game or edited highlights. If you like to watch lots of out of market games, (or Blue Jays games that have already been completed), it's not a bad deal. I suspect that the half price deal is offered every year around June 1.
 

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Re: Gabe Moreno: "The 21-year-old Venezuelan doesn't go yard too often — he finished last year with eight homers in 159 plate appearances"

Moreno turns 22 on Valentine's Day.

These are awesome minor league batting stats for a 21 year old catcher:

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Click the link above to see his fielding stats as well; he has a significantly above average percentage in catching base stealers. Factor in that minor league pitchers take more time to get the ball to the plate, and don't hold runners as well. The speed difference of would-be thieves shouldn't be significantly different.

Baseball America lists him as the #7 overall MLB prospect, much higher than mlb(dot)com, - see post #4.
 
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Re: Gabe Moreno: "The 21-year-old Venezuelan doesn't go yard too often — he finished last year with eight homers in 159 plate appearances"
If you assume that a full time position player (not a catcher) could get 600 plate appearances that would pro-rate to about 30 homers for a season. Not too shabby.
 
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