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One Year After Jan 6th Insurrection - Opinions of Far Right Trump Supporters

danmand

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I like how Elon Mask puts it - that the Government is the largest corporation with exclusive license for violence. So, obviously if we have to put someone in charge
to run this corporation it cannot be a dude who's experience was a substitute teacher in primary school or a life time politician with zero achievements record
So why not do away with this thing called democracy (which have no rules) and give the job of prime minister or President to a CEO of one of the 12 largest corporations in the country decided upon by these 12 CEO'S. That is called Corporatism.

The reason we generally do not use the system of Corporatism, is that the country has a bureaucracy that is able to execute Government policies. The leader does not need to execute details, only be of sound mind. The voters can decide on that.
 

Valcazar

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I like how Elon Mask puts it - that the Government is the largest corporation with exclusive license for violence. So, obviously if we have to put someone in charge
to run this corporation it cannot be a dude who's experience was a substitute teacher in primary school or a life time politician with zero achievements record
That Elon Musk is stupid about politics is neither here nor there.

Deciding that substitute teacher isn't good experience for office is up for anyone to decide. (And for what office.)
I wouldn't want a President whose entire resume was substitute teacher, I agree.
That some people consider a life-time in politics with no other jobs disqualifying is also a personal choice for them.

"Running government like a business" is a recipe for disaster since they are VERY different jobs with very different responsibilities.
Anyone claiming they will do that should be avoided at all costs.

But it didn't look like you were saying "I want someone who has done nothing in life but run a business to go directly to President without any other experience in government", which is what Frankenfooter interpreted it as. You just want part of their previous experience to involve business in some way, and that's not the same thing.
 

Valcazar

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I know about this custom. It is not an obligation or a written law though. For me personally it is quite infuriating, sort of like
an attempt to find a skid marks in your underwear.
Ahh... the ole "It's not specifically illegal, so I can do it" defense. :D
Fine.

But when something has been a tradition for decades because a President who then did something majorly illegal got caught cheating on his taxes and you snub it, people are going to wonder why.
Romney got shit for it, too.
Presenting it as nothing but a "gotcha" is disingenuous.

Trump may well have re-instated the old standard and no one will release them anymore unless a law is passed.
Who knows?
 

whitehill_21

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See You just do not comprehend what was clearly stated. He is the only President that had just one term, and did not have the majority of the popular votes in two elections. Maybe now You comprehend it!!
well, for you the elections were fair, so the popular vote in second election is not for Trump. I don't see it that way, I could clearly see that the elections of 2020 were heavily manipulated, rules were changed,
legislators ignored. Thanks for expanding my comprehension - you are great teacher


Were You not stating that no one was charged with sedition, although there were charges already implemented? They will get their time in Court, so be patient as it does not happen overnight, okay!!
I am patient no worries. I was patient to watch Muller probe for 3 years also and we know where it ended. I'd say any news these days should be taken with huge grain of salt. So, what's coming out
as may be looking as a definite prove of something - may become a big nothing burger in a month or so



They will have their day in court. Do not lose sleep over it okay? These were clearly thugs breaking windows and kicking in the doors of Capitol Hill. Unless You think that the videos are "fake"?
See we do not rush to defend those who broke into stores etc to steal the stuff. If they are apprehended then they deserve what sentences they are given. ANTIFA / BLM have demonstrated against discrimination and he have seen Justice being implemented in cases like the killing of Arbery and George Floyd. They demonstrated for real Justice, and not the "stop the Steal" brainwashing of these violent mob who invaded the Capitol Hill on false premises to prevent the nomination process of the New President. Five people died and there were several injuries as a result of it!!

Did I say anything about fake videos ? The thugs who broke windows and kicked the doors have to be prosecuted - 100% agree. The same way the thugs who were burning cities/businesses, beating people to the pulp
trying to burn cops in their precinct, set up autonomous zones (were multiple people were shot) have to be prosecuted the same way and as harsh as any other thugs - and that I didn't see was done, they got away with
slap on the wrist.


Where was it proven that he blackmailed the Ukrainians into "stopping the investigations" into his son's deals?? Haha funny, JB bragged about it on TV

Enriched himself from taxpayer's expense?? You are hilarious!! - Thank you. So, after you watch clip above, tell me if you bribe other governments with a taxpayer money
to get some personal favours from them, what would you call it ?


Especially as Trump has not paid any taxes for a quite a few years - we talked about the taxes in previous thread the latest is that he fiddled the loans he got out of the banks, so that he evaded paying the taxes from false valuations of his properties. He tried to bribe Putin with offering him a free penthouse condo, that in the end did not get built. He scammed the University Students in his Trump so called University - you keep repeating the same points , and had to settle out of Court, as well as screwing the investors, contractors and employees in his numerous failed businesses. He paid hush money to Stormy Daniels and a Playboy model to bribe them not to disclose their sexual exploits - by sexual exploits you mean that he had sex outside of marriage ? You remember on what site we are do you ? :) so when Trump is unfaithful to his wife he's a Satan himself, but you hanging out on the site where most of the dudes are unfaithful (and probably you) it's just fine ? :) he had during their 2016 campaign. This was during the time that Melania gave birth to their son. He was ordered to shut the Trump Foundation when he was using the funds for his own means. He and his Father openly discriminated against the Blacks in their Apartment rentals and had to settle out of court. - nope, that's not the outcome, no guilt was admitted and no settlement was ordered to be paid (I mentioned in other replies to you) His son travelled to India at taxpayers expense to sell condos on behalf of his Father, and the fee was around $40,000 just to hear his presentation - didn't find anything on that, didn't we see something like that with JB son ? when he was
was travelling the world on taxpayers expense ( https://www.judicialwatch.org/hunter-biden-flights/ )
Like he has any expertise in that field, and more like bribery to get those condos. Trump's daughter Ivanka received those gifted 22 trademarks from Chinese President Xi during their State Dinner - did it involve defrauding the taxpayers ?

Job growth rates under Biden were the highest it's been for decades. He is trying to help the middle class with triggering the economy and building on infrastructure and healthcare, something the Republicans hate, except when it is all about giving huge tax breaks to the richest and the big Corporations!! - this one is quite mind blowing. With soaring inflation (thanks Joe for the lockdaowns, mandates and etc), much higher gas prices, skyrocketing of gov. expenses an debt :) job growth rates is debatable.....as we are not talking about creating new jobs, these are mostly people who coming back to their jobs after lockdowns and mandates
btw, some stuff on JB taxes (not that I would usually care, but since he's on the governmental salary, sort of important):

 

whitehill_21

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Ahh... the ole "It's not specifically illegal, so I can do it" defense. :D
Fine.

But when something has been a tradition for decades because a President who then did something majorly illegal got caught cheating on his taxes and you snub it, people are going to wonder why.
Romney got shit for it, too.
Presenting it as nothing but a "gotcha" is disingenuous.

Trump may well have re-instated the old standard and no one will release them anymore unless a law is passed.
Who knows?
when it comes to taxes it's all debatable. I myself participated in a scheme of medical expenses, which was
offered to me by my accountant as a charity donation on meds for other countries and receiving multiplied
in value tax receipt which would allow some elevated tax returns (let's say you donate 10k, and receive tax
receipt for 15k). All was presented and explained to me, looked very legit all by the book, with registered
company name, business # and so on. Ok, I went ahead with that. 5 years later I got a letter from CRA that
they want all of it (associated tax return) back + interest. Tens of thousands of people were involved.
Finally another 5 years of litigation and CRA sent me a letter to settle, to pay portion of the debt and no
interest.

Now, does it make me a criminal ? a cheat ? it was presented to me as a legit business and I took it,
later it wasn't accepted by CRA and I paid back. I am pretty sure all of the businesses and especially
large businesses constantly looking for a way to minimize taxation legally - and it is NOT a crime, if
that was, we wouldn't have any loopholes or different tax credits all would be black and white.
 

whitehill_21

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What we should be doing is putting ultra right on ignore and don't engage in discussions with them.

If we ever want to know what they “think” we can always go and directly check breitbart or the daily stormer. No need to listen to their regurgitation.
Indeed. So when you post anything, do you expect everyone to agree ? And if they are not then what ? shut them up ? call them daily stormer ? great.
Look, if you don't want to engage just don't but you can do it without insults or your judgement of character. you can be a human even when on far left
 

whitehill_21

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There's been a lot and even continue to be, threads about Hunter Biden.
But Biden hasn't been sued by a family member, had sexual assault accusations laid by a family member nor put his children directly in nepotistic positions of power.
Where is your moral bar?
where are the sexual assault accusations within Trump family ? link please, couldn't find
 

toguy5252

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may be not corruption, but bad environment to be in ? incompetence ? or some other sh$t
I agree. There are any number of explanations for people leaving. just not corruption which was what started that thread. Like most of your fellow traveler make an outrageous statement which is not supported by facts and when called out divert. There are lots of criticisms of the Biden administration which are perfectly reasonable but corruption is not among them.
 

Leimonis

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I agree. There are any number of explanations for people leaving. just not corruption which was what started that thread. Like most of your fellow traveler make an outrageous statement which is not supported by facts and when called out divert. There are lots of criticisms of the Biden administration which are perfectly reasonable but corruption is not among them.
Biden was so corrupt and the evidence of it was so overwhelming that trump had to extort Ukraine to get them to start investigating not even Biden but his son.
 

Frankfooter

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Biden was so corrupt and the evidence of it was so overwhelming that trump had to extort Ukraine to get them to start investigating not even Biden but his son.
That was the most ridiculously funny political fail in decades.

Trump wanted to frame Biden so sent Rudy off to the Ukraine to blackmail the president into investigating Hunter.
Instead the calls became public and Trump got impeached.

The Bidens came out clean and Trump was impeached.
Such a win.
 

Leimonis

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That was the most ridiculously funny political fail in decades.

Trump wanted to frame Biden so sent Rudy off to the Ukraine to blackmail the president into investigating Hunter.
Instead the calls became public and Trump got impeached.

The Bidens came out clean and Trump was impeached.
Such a win.
If I was allowed to dream for a moment, the ultimate win would be if trump was convicted of causing Ashli Babbitt to commit suicide by cop.
 
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whitehill_21

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I agree. There are any number of explanations for people leaving. just not corruption which was what started that thread. Like most of your fellow traveler make an outrageous statement which is not supported by facts and when called out divert. There are lots of criticisms of the Biden administration which are perfectly reasonable but corruption is not among them.
define that please:
 

whitehill_21

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So why not do away with this thing called democracy (which have no rules) and give the job of prime minister or President to a CEO of one of the 12 largest corporations in the country decided upon by these 12 CEO'S. That is called Corporatism.

The reason we generally do not use the system of Corporatism, is that the country has a bureaucracy that is able to execute Government policies. The leader does not need to execute details, only be of sound mind. The voters can decide on that.
I wish I knew what would be the best, but what we have is really sad state of affairs. May be selection of the leader should be still based on
tangible results in multiple areas like economics, business, successfully completed projects and etc. And not on the sweet speeches and shiny
appearances. We have PM who's very good at talking and ? US had Obama, smooth talker, great ..and ? we're still moving downward faster and
faster. So obviously the traits they are selected for not quite in-line with what nations need.
 

Frankfooter

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