Has Baldwin Been Charged Yet?

[silentkisser]

Baldwin is a darling of the left. Like Cuomo, like the scumbag murderer of Ashli Babbitt, like the lying POS Strzok the swamp takes care of their own. But, if you're Kyle Rittenhouse or some Joe Schmo who put his foot in the hallway of the Congress or you protest the rape of your daughter by a trans in the school bathroom, the swamp will send the swat team to collect you and toss a kitchen sink at you in the courtroom.

You make me laugh. You seem to have an issue with a cop using deadly force on Ashli Babbit, but I don't recall you slamming cops for shooting unarmed black men.

The how trans thing is also another right-wing talking point....but they don't really seem to care when a group of boys invade a girls washroom. Instead, the girl gets suspended for defending herself....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/04/15/boys-stormed-girls-bathroom-protest-girl-got-expelled-kneeing-one-them-crotch-family-says/

And let's not forgot good old rich white boy Brock Turner who got a crazy light sentence for rape from a very conservative judge....

Here's a newsflash for you: Trump didn't drain the swamp. He festered in it. Revelled in it. Enriched himself and his cronies.

As for Baldwin, he did commit a homicide. It was unintentional, and the burden of proof for a conviction in this case would be very difficult to establish. So, he likely will not be charged. However, the gun master could. Now, Baldwin, as the movie's producer, will likely face a civil suit from the family of the dead woman.

 

[jcpro]

You make me laugh. You seem to have an issue with a cop using deadly force on Ashli Babbit, but I don't recall you slamming cops for shooting unarmed black men.

The how trans thing is also another right-wing talking point....but they don't really seem to care when a group of boys invade a girls washroom. Instead, the girl gets suspended for defending herself....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/04/15/boys-stormed-girls-bathroom-protest-girl-got-expelled-kneeing-one-them-crotch-family-says/

And let's not forgot good old rich white boy Brock Turner who got a crazy light sentence for rape from a very conservative judge....

Here's a newsflash for you: Trump didn't drain the swamp. He festered in it. Revelled in it. Enriched himself and his cronies.

As for Baldwin, he did commit a homicide. It was unintentional, and the burden of proof for a conviction in this case would be very difficult to establish. So, he likely will not be charged. However, the gun master could. Now, Baldwin, as the movie's producer, will likely face a civil suit from the family of the dead woman.

ROTFLMFAO! You can check my posting record, buddy boy. EVERY victim of crime deserves honest and impartial investigation and due process, regardless of creed, race, gender and political affiliations.

 

[Leimonis]

Baldwin is a darling of the left. Like Cuomo, like the scumbag murderer of Ashli Babbitt, ...

I think you meant to say "like the murderer of the scumbag Ashli Babbitt"

 

[Darts]

"As for Baldwin, he did commit a homicide. It was unintentional, and the burden of proof for a conviction in this case would be very difficult to establish. So, he likely will not be charged. However, the gun master could. Now, Baldwin, as the movie's producer, will likely face a civil suit from the family of the dead woman."

Yes, the above seems the most likely scenario although the state might argue that Baldwin had some degree of responsibility to check the gun before pointing it.

It appears that real bullets were mixed with fake bullets.

Almost identical to what happened to Brandon Lee on the set of The Crow.
Actor who fatally shot Brandon Lee in 1993 tragedy also traumatized (nypost.com)

 

[Male4Strapon]

I think you meant to say "like the murderer of the scumbag Ashli Babbitt"

Correction: Like the justifiable shooter of the scumbag Ashli Babbitt

 

[richaceg]

It was unintentional.

you can get charged for a car accident causing death? even if it seems like it wasn't your fault, maybe a faulty brake? it doesn't mean you're guilty right away...you will just get charged, not convicted...

 

[Bushdoc]

Now, Baldwin, as the movie's producer, will likely face a civil suit from the family of the dead woman.

I was about to say the same thing too. I believe that's what will happen although I don't think it should.
They're going to say that as the producer, he has a legal responsibility for what happens on set. But he hired gun safety experts that were on set, I don't know what more he was supposed to do as the producer.

Even though I think he's pretty blameless, it might be nice if he just offered the family something without needing to be sued. I'd like to think I would do that if my net worth was $60 million and I accidentally killed someone.

 

[richaceg]

I was about to say the same thing too. I believe that's what will happen although I don't think it should.
They're going to say that as the producer, he has a legal responsibility for what happens on set. But he hired gun safety experts that were on set, I don't know what more he was supposed to do as the producer.

Even though I think he's pretty blameless, it might be nice if he just offered the family something without needing to be sued. I'd like to think I would do that if my net worth was $60 million and I accidentally killed someone.

wrong...as a producer, he is responsible...he is responsible when part of his employees fuck up that causes death...when Ford does a recall for vehicles...they don't blame their employees for the fuck up....they know they're responsible....

 

[Bushdoc]

wrong...as a producer, he is responsible...he is responsible when part of his employees fuck up that causes death...when Ford does a recall for vehicles...they don't blame their employees for the fuck up....they know they're responsible....

I think you're right legally, what I was saying is I don't agree with that legal principle. If you hire someone who is supposedly a gun safety expert, it doesn't seem fair that you get blamed when they fuck up, unless you hired someone without required certifications or something like that.

 

[Male4Strapon]

Even though I think he's pretty blameless, it might be nice if he just offered the family something without needing to be sued. I'd like to think I would do that if my net worth was $60 million and I accidentally killed someone.

In lawsuit happy USA, that would be viewed by many (public court of opinion) as an admission of guilt...... as a payoff. I'm sure even if he wanted to his lawyers would strongly advise against it.

 

[richaceg]

I think you're right legally, what I was saying is I don't agree with that legal principle. If you hire someone who is supposedly a gun safety expert, it doesn't seem fair that you get blamed when they fuck up, unless you hired someone without required certifications or something like that.

what's really bad is He pulled the trigger. He was the last man to handle the gun...those "experts" can always claim, the gun was deemed safe u ntil it was handed to someone else who could've done something to it (etc etc load a live bullet)...both parties will be investigated and both parties will most likely get charged...

 

[Bbw hunter]

That truck driver in Colorado who accidentally killed others because his brakes failed on the Hiway got sentenced to life in prison.

Yes but he wasn't famous.

 

[mandrill]

Baldwin is a darling of the left. Like Cuomo, like the scumbag murderer of Ashli Babbitt, like the lying POS Strzok the swamp takes care of their own. But, if you're Kyle Rittenhouse or some Joe Schmo who put his foot in the hallway of the Congress or you protest the rape of your daughter by a trans in the school bathroom, the swamp will send the swat team to collect you and toss a kitchen sink at you in the courtroom.

I don't think the "left" - whatever that is - gives a half-shit about Baldwin, who is an obnoxious guy with an aggression issue. There's just no basis to charge him here. Unless it's proven that he knew the gun was loaded with a live round, he's not culpable.

It wasn't his job to check the gun. He said he didn't pull the trigger. You can't even get negligent homicide out of those facts.

You guys have to learn and accept that the DA doesn't bring prosecutions just to entertain people like you and give you fodder to argue on TERB. It's prosecutorial malpractice to bring charges that cannot be sustained in court - as in the ADA talks to the Law Society and they slap him / her around.

So he's likely not going to be charged with anything. Knock yourselves out arguing.

And save us the silly hyperbole and ranty-anty.

 

[Frankfooter]

I don't think the "left" - whatever that is - gives a half-shit about Baldwin, who is an obnoxious guy with an aggression issue. There's just no basis to charge him here. Unless it's proven that he knew the gun was loaded with a live round, he's not culpable.

It wasn't his job to check the gun. He said he didn't pull the trigger. You can't even get negligent homicide out of those facts.

You guys have to learn and accept that the DA doesn't bring prosecutions just to entertain people like you and give you fodder to argue on TERB. It's prosecutorial malpractice to bring charges that cannot be sustained in court - as in the ADA talks to the Law Society and they slap him / her around.

So he's likely not going to be charged with anything. Knock yourselves out arguing.

And save us the silly hyperbole and ranty-anty.

And now there is this, the armourer is suing the ammo supplier.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/rust-film-armourer-sues-ammo-supplier-1.6313450

 

[Darts]

It's prosecutorial malpractice to bring charges that cannot be sustained in court

As happened in the Duke lacrosse case.

 

[Uncharted]

GEEZ!!!

He won't get charged for murder!!!

He was handed a gun and told it was not loaded. On a Movie set, the actor is not required nor even encouraged to check a fire arm they are handed, to check if it has been loaded or not, that is what the Weapon Master is for. In fact they are told not to do anything with the weapon they have been handed other than what they have been told to do with it. That includes checking for rounds.

He may be charged with criminal negligence as a producer. If it is proven that his production company did not take the appropriate steps to insure safety on the set.

 

[mandrill]

And now there is this, the armourer is suing the ammo supplier.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/rust-film-armourer-sues-ammo-supplier-1.6313450

That lawsuit seems bit sketchy.

 

[mandrill]

"As for Baldwin, he did commit a homicide. It was unintentional, and the burden of proof for a conviction in this case would be very difficult to establish. So, he likely will not be charged. However, the gun master could. Now, Baldwin, as the movie's producer, will likely face a civil suit from the family of the dead woman."

Yes, the above seems the most likely scenario although the state might argue that Baldwin had some degree of responsibility to check the gun before pointing it.

It appears that real bullets were mixed with fake bullets.

Almost identical to what happened to Brandon Lee on the set of The Crow.
Actor who fatally shot Brandon Lee in 1993 tragedy also traumatized (nypost.com)

Ordinarily that would be a good argument. But on a movie set, it's understood that the armourer checks the gun and the actor doesn't. That's the out here.

 

[Darts]

It's not clear if Michael Massee was ever charged (maybe not).
What Happened To Michael Massee After Brandon Lee's Death? (grunge.com)

 

[Frankfooter]

That lawsuit seems bit sketchy.

Doesn't it?

I think this is the armourer trying to plan her defence for her charges.
Lawandcrime has more details.

'Rust' Armorer Says Ammunition Supplier Took Live Rounds from Previous Movie, Provided Them to Alec Baldwin Film Before Deadly Shooting

Hannah Gutierrez Reed is suing Seth Kenney and his business, PDQ Arm and Prop, for allegedly providing live ammunition that Kenny allegedly obtained while working with Gutierrez Reed's father a month earlier.

lawandcrime.com